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IowaOffRoad

Imperator Donvaldus Ioannes
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I was listening to an excerpt of a Piers Morgan interview of Jordan Peterson yesterday. JBP was giving his thoughts regarding Trump and why, if he was an American, would vote for him.
Summary:
  • Have a dataset of how he'd govern, he's clearly not dangerous
  • Has surrounded himself with a wide range of opinions this time around (RFK, Tulsi, Elon, Vivek, Vance)
  • Has openly admitted that he didn't know how big the problem was last time, and has also said that he will need to do things much differently again
This, coupled with many of the charges thrown at all the different right of center candidates, partly because most of them will state where they stand and articulate policy directions, which opens up attacks from both left and right, depending on the opinion, and partly because many on the political left will not articulate an opinion on anything as it leaves them nothing to defend. It leads to a situation where low-information/single issue/occasional voters end up hearing by default attacks on the right on specifics and denials of any support of unpopular positions by those running left of center as nobody in the 'mainstream' is actually pushing for clarity.

So it seems that we've reached a point where any actual position taken is automatically spun as "your bad, cruel, and racist" where happy nothing talk is taken as 'joyous well-meaning goodness". Part of it is the tame trick that confidence men and cult leaders have done forever, which is being positively vague allows the audience to pour whatever good feelings they may have into the person in front of them, and speaking in specifics and defending one side of 50'50 propositions is 'divisive'.

Where am I going with this?
Trump has flaws, lots of them.
Vivek has some out-there ideas.
Vance has changed his political philosophy over the last decade, at least in policy prescriptions.
RFK? Wow, where to start...
Tulsi? Bernie broad to Trump train?

My point is this. The more all of these people talk and give their opinion, it clarifies how they got from A to B. The more they talk the more they can polarize certain people. But, the more they talk and are out there, the more 'real' they are than those who are vague, bland, obfuscating, and generically positive.
Personally, I'll take someone (or a group of someone's) who will articulate where they stand even when we disagree BUT also show evidence of loving the country they live in and support the principles on which it was founded. Unfortunately, it seems that too many are looking for any reason to write someone off based on one or 2 policy positions, and would rather put their faith in a banal unicorn who has no fixed positions because they can paste their perfect image onto them.

Are we at the point where we were in '08 where the catch-all "hope and change" will reel in a majority again? Is that what the people want? This seems like the poster child of letting the 'perfect get in the way of the good'...
 
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Trump has opinions, and we should vote for him over an empty cackling shell?
 
Your post could refer to either candidate. Both talk without saying anything. Both aren’t taking a stand on policy or where they want to turn things around. :flipoff2: Just saying.😜
 
Way too many people accepted the Overton Window given to them, and will parrot policies that they should know will not ever result in getting groceries into the fridge. As far as the people that have engendered themselves into Trumps inner circle, I would be cautious. Liz Cheney is a 💩, but she is honest about it. It reminds me of the bureaucrats and party members of other political parties in history that lied to be in favorable positions rather than through genuine conviction. Just waiting a few months near the finish line to join the race after Trump ran through a legal gauntlet solo, looks so obvious. Now Vance getting grilled on the MSN and not wavering is helping my opinion of him, but I'm still not too clear on how Trump made that VP pick.

Swayzeexpress said:
I vote landing strip
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My imagination for the rest of today will be unconsciously, fully committed to this now for no reason at all. Thanks
 
Slander said:
A bunch of appeal to authority bias and a Canadian commenting on our politicians
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As a safety snitch I thought you'd appreciate an appeal to authority:flipoff2:

Do you ever read/hear/see anything that leads to a jumping-off point in your thinking? Or are you the perfect omniscient, omnipotent person who needs no outside stimuli?
 
[486] said:
there's a lot of words there and I read about twenty of them

what were you trying to say?
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Stream of consciousness thinking out loud at dark 30 with little sleep.

Why does society punish those who put themselves on record (and risking support due to a single disagreement) and reward empty vessels?

I believe some of the commenters to this very post prove the premise:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:
 
It is always easier for "people" to side with a group that has no opinions vs a group that has many opinions one (or some) of which they vehemently disagree with. The Democratic party has built its whole platform for the past few decades (or more) on being the "the other guys don't want you to X, and we think you should be able to" party (with some notable exceptions, such as anything 2A).
 
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