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Roc Doc

Roc Doc

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I realize not everybody gets professional training, but I'm a big believer in it. I've had the opportunity to shoot with some great shooters and picked up a bunch of skill from them, but nothing beats good direct training, whether it be Spec Ops in the military, SWAT with LEO, Appleseed .22lr, LR hunting with movers, etc.

Just got back from a 5 day course with my 9mm carbines. We had a Sig MPX, a CZ Scorpion, a suppressed (7.5" barrel) AR, a Ruger PC9 (two if you count the instructors' jazzed up PC9), another CMMG Resolute, and my New Frontier side charger.

The crew trying to look high-speed, low drag.:laughing:

If you've had professional training, post up your experiences good, or bad.


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I was able to attend a professional course on building explosive charges to understand the damage and standoff distances. Hopefully not the highlight of my job but was still awesome to attend for 5 days for someone not in a EOD job or military field. I did have some fun with the Best Buy workers to see if the warranty would cover the camera being blown up but ultimately decided against the warranty. The workers were unsure if it was covered.


Set off about 70-100 lbs of equivalent TNT per team. The total included C-4, Detasheets, and a few other things. Ended the class with over a 400+ lb equivalent TNT charge to blow up all the scrap pieces plus a couple bags of ANFO.



Few items we built. Wish I could post pictures from the class but had to settle for a few from google.
Shape charges
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Bulk charges
C4 wrapped in Ducktape

Bangalore torpedo
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EFP Charge
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Satellite charges for concrete walls


The best part was taking part in a breaching with a satellite charge on a concrete wall. The pressure wave felt different depending where on the line we were located at. Behind the shield was low but near the back had colliding shockwaves to increase the force felt.
 
Duc said:
The best part was taking part in a breaching with a satellite charge on a concrete wall. The pressure wave felt different depending where on the line we were located at. Behind the shield was low but near the back had colliding shockwaves to increase the force felt.
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Wave propagation. It is discussed extensively in live PA applications. Try and maximize the sweet spot, not just where the mixer is standing, and minimize or eliminate area's where comb filtering or energy builds up. I'd never thought about it in explosives...interesting.
 
👈🏻 Nine years active duty Army Infantry


I have been a life long shooter. My qualification scores (pistol to anti tank weapons) usually got me voluntold to participate on unit shooting competition teams. I spent a fair amount of time on live fire ranges. The “competition“ rifle ranges usually had instructors who were sniper trained.

Once in a while we would get explosives training. Our instructors were usually Special Forces, or EOD experts. Once we made improvised Bangalore torpedoes using concertina wire fence pickets, and C-4 :smokin:

Live fire building clearing was always a lot of fun too :smokin:
 
We did a shoot house, only the second time I've ever been in one. Only paper bad guys, but they put us in some situations to keep us on our toes, like a big mirror that showed you a bad guy behind a fridge...of course he can see you too. I didn't kill the lady with the baby, and ordered the guy with the coke in his hand out of the building, but double tapped the bad guy in the ocular box holding the kid hostage a microsecond after I told him to drop the gun. :smokin: That's a skill you don't learn in a day or a week, that's for sure.
 
granitestatedestroyer said:
Was advanced weapons training, and CQB.

Lots of 2 gun drills, leading into lots of shoot house simunitions.

Was about 8 hours a day for 60 days. They were still Blackwater back then.
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One of our instructors used to work for Blackwater.

Did you use simunitions? I realize you have to crawl before you can run, so I see the value of starting with static targets, but I'm pretty sure having someone shoot back at you tends to ratchet things up a bit.
 
just lots of comps with some of the best shooters in the world. i had others i shot with that went to training classes that were pretty high dollar. and they damn sure picked up a good bit of talent in a week. i got a lot of help from a bunch of good guys when i started competing.
and way back when, the guys with the most reliable guns won the 3 gun matches.
 
gunracer1 said:
just lots of comps with some of the best shooters in the world. i had others i shot with that went to training classes that were pretty high dollar. and they damn sure picked up a good bit of talent in a week. i got a lot of help from a bunch of good guys when i started competing.
and way back when, the guys with the most reliable guns won the 3 gun matches.
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It's funny. Most of the matches people are more than happy to share load data, or strategy, or even support gear, but one of our regulars did an Air gun PRS type match and he said the general attitude was to "figure it out for yourself". :laughing:
 
Usually take one or two courses a year. Local instructors, or over in NV. Anything from pistol, carbine or “tactical” shotgun.

My AR I run a cheap-ish red dot. Worked well in other classes Ive taken with courses of fire out to 100 yds. However in the last class they had a bunch of positional shooting and in prone I couldn’t even locate the dot, and it’s low brightness didn’t help.

Variety of classes let’s me tune my gear and see what others run, what works.

Way back, took a week long pistol course at Frontsight by Vegas. It was good…but very slow paced.
 
Hooligan said:
Usually take one or two courses a year. Local instructors, or over in NV. Anything from pistol, carbine or “tactical” shotgun.

My AR I run a cheap-ish red dot. Worked well in other classes Ive taken with courses of fire out to 100 yds. However in the last class they had a bunch of positional shooting and in prone I couldn’t even locate the dot, and it’s low brightness didn’t help.

Variety of classes let’s me tune my gear and see what others run, what works.

Way back, took a week long pistol course at Frontsight by Vegas. It was good…but very slow paced.
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Yeah, I'm not training for a high level insertion type op, but to understand the basics and to get some varing POV's. I had a FS membership I got for $100 and took 28 classes on it before they went tits up. I had accounts in the area, so I'd plan my business trips to end in Pahrump and then I'd get paid for the travel. Learned a bunch there, but it was obviously a cattle herd process. I took a precision rifle class where we had 42 participants, and they had to split out the less capable to a remedial class, but that still left us with like 28 and it slowed the fuck out of the class. After ammo and powder and primer shortages, the class sizes got much smaller and I finally got my DG with like 12 in the class.

This is a target on a windy as fuck day. 100,200, 300, 500/550, 600/650, 700/750

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the ammo availability, pricing , and being the retarded state of CA has slowed my pace of practice a lot. Would love to do a long range rifle class but would need to spend some time finishing a 6.5 Creed and/or developing an AR .223 load.
 
I had a lot of specialized military training in the USN that doesn’t translate well to civilian use besides home defense, and even that is flawed.
The NRA high power clinics and 3 gun matches are as close to pro training as I get in the real world.
 
20 years of annual LEO training with 7+ years of that requiring quarterly qualification with mini 14 and 38 revolver. It was professional training but hardly what you all have discussed so far. We did have a pretty solid week of training to transition to glocks a few years ago, it was fun and intense when taken seriously. Sadly most just want to be done and do the bare minimum to get qualified.
 
But seriously, I saw you last summer and between now and then you've packed a few on:lmao:
 
gozuki said:
But seriously, I saw you last summer and between now and then you've packed a few on:lmao:
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I was holding 220 for years, but during the scamdemic, I was home for two years and added 25...happy it wasn't 50. I was 245 or so when we met up at Botach, musta' been the clothes.:laughing: Just bought a Peloton, so going to go back to 220, hopefully 210.
 
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