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TCI reverse manual valve body acting goofy.

white-rhino

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I've got a weird situation happening, and seems to be getting worse. TH350 with TCI RVMB. Art Carr shifter. 1800-2000 stall converter. This trans was installed back around June with no issues. 6-8 weeks ago I pull the buggy out of the garage to load up. I need to turn around in the driveway and when I shift from reverse to 1st it seemed to bind up like it was struggling to find gears. Basically wouldn't move. I shifted all the way to third and it moved forward but going either direction it was binding. Sorta like if you have ever not fully shifted, it's between gears. I though I might be binding up because I was in 4wd and turning sharp in on the pavement but even in 2wd rear dig or 2wd front dig, it did the same. Then the problem miraculously went away. WTF? I wheeled for the full day with no issues. Odd............

This happened a couple times. Threw the buggy on the hoist and found the shift arm a little loose on the shift rod. Hmmm....... this must be it. Tightened it up, no change. I've wheeled it about 3 times with the same issue. Sticky when cold, then seems to solve itself. This last time, after shifting all the way to third to get it to move, it found neutral at the 1st position and reverse at the neutral position. Then all of a sudden it's working.

So I pulled the pan to look for issues. Can't find a thing. Sorta....... Having the wife go through the shift pattern, I found that the shift cable was off by one revolution to fit perfectly when the trans was in gear and the detent roller was properly seated in the rooster cogs. I can't believe that is the issue. I think it's a standard 1/4-28 thread, so one rev is .036". Is that enough to be off? I don't think so, and there are a couple reasons why. When the shift arm was sloppy, the roller would have self centered in the rooster cog. Also the Art Carr shifter can allow for a little play. And, when I look at the throw of the spool, I wouldn't think .036" would be enough to be off. And as noted below, the shifter position seems to be off by almost a full gearshift position.

I've searched on line and only found one thread from several years ago on (the other site) where someone said the adjustments are really fussy. OK, running with that, why did it work OK from June to December with no issues, and now it's an issue? And I don't think I made any adjustments to the linkage when I swapped transmissions, so I think it's had the same adjustment for a long time.

I've talked to my trans guy Tom, who has built a lot of U4 transmissions and he thinks it's all in my linkage and there is nothing in the valve body that can be doing this. But again, why has it worked OK in the past?

A disclaimer; the previous trans had a major issue when the torque converter took a shit. Some may remember from last April when I was frantically looking for parts while at Sand Hollow. This is the replacement trans and although we worked hard at flushing the trans cooler and lines, there was still a little debris in the pan and on the filter when I pulled it this time. BUT ............ the spool shifts smoothly by hand.

I saw people bashing TCI on a facebook rock crawler page but when I asked what the issues were, I didn't get any responses.
Anyone have a similar issue?
Thoughts?
 
Me and my dad both have had issues with the TCI rmvb in th400s in late 2020. My first problem was the valve body was completely fukkkked upon arrival. Unless you are a transmission genius, there is zero way for us normal folks to tell anything is wrong with it. It even looked ok to my trans builder. Basically it had no reverse or first and line pressure on first and reverse were basically nothing. TCI told me to go get fukkked but luckily I bought it through summit so they sent me another one. When the new one arrived, we layed them side by side to see what was up and there were obvious differences between the two. Both were modified different ways and one set of gaskets were not stamped out correctly. The new one fixed my problem. According to random internet sources there were two different tci rmvb floating around during this period so i'm assuming the second one I got was the updated one.

My dads TCI rmvb shifted so hard from second to first that it actually cracked the lugs inside the case and started to let fluid bypass which eventually caused no reverse. Our trans builder warned against this from the beginning but he had never seen one do what dads did. Dad put in a non engine braking valve body after this with a new case, not TCI. So after all that, I almost always come to stop before shifting into first in mine to delay that potential problem.

Theres high possibility that one of the TCI blockages made in the valve body (looks like a lead square pressed into it) is bypassing or a trans case issue already if you have engine braking valve body and have been slamming it into first from 2nd or 3rd.

A few drag racing buddies have mentioned lately that TCI's QC is down the shitter right now and they have completely quit using them for anything.
 
Me and my dad both have had issues with the TCI rmvb in th400s in late 2020. My first problem was the valve body was completely fukkkked upon arrival. Unless you are a transmission genius, there is zero way for us normal folks to tell anything is wrong with it. It even looked ok to my trans builder. Basically it had no reverse or first and line pressure on first and reverse were basically nothing. TCI told me to go get fukkked but luckily I bought it through summit so they sent me another one. When the new one arrived, we layed them side by side to see what was up and there were obvious differences between the two. Both were modified different ways and one set of gaskets were not stamped out correctly. The new one fixed my problem. According to random internet sources there were two different tci rmvb floating around during this period so i'm assuming the second one I got was the updated one.My dads TCI rmvb shifted so hard from second to first that it actually cracked the lugs inside the case and started to let fluid bypass which eventually caused no reverse. Our trans builder warned against this from the beginning but he had never seen one do what dads did. Dad put in a non engine braking valve body after this with a new case, not TCI. So after all that, I almost always come to stop before shifting into first in mine to delay that potential problem.

Theres high possibility that one of the TCI blockages made in the valve body (looks like a lead square pressed into it) is bypassing or a trans case issue already if you have engine braking valve body and have been slamming it into first from 2nd or 3rd.

A few drag racing buddies have mentioned lately that TCI's QC is down the shitter right now and they have completely quit using them for anything.
Yes, I have experienced the hard down shifting and I don't like it. I originally had a non engine braking VB and I hated that, as I use it a lot while crawling. So, like you, I tend to slow way down to downshift but I can't say that it never happens.

I've wondered if I have something wrong but Tom tells me there is nothing to see if I pull it. And of course, the biggest issue is why it is so intermittent.

Have you considered a different brand?
 
Yes, I have experienced the hard down shifting and I don't like it. I originally had a non engine braking VB and I hated that, as I use it a lot while crawling. So, like you, I tend to slow way down to downshift but I can't say that it never happens.

I've wondered if I have something wrong but Tom tells me there is nothing to see if I pull it. And of course, the biggest issue is why it is so intermittent.

Have you considered a different brand?
Its crossed my mind but I wont do anything until the trans has to come out again. Which I hope is never but we all know how that goes. My TCI converter does weird things as well. If it wasnt such a pain I would of already threw it away and tried something else.
 
Took mine out and tossed it in the garbage. Worst valve body ever.


TCI pn 221201
 
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Does Hughes make one for the 350? I recall Tom searching for that for my 400.

When you say cold, how cold? It would be interesting to see a temp chart with Dex3 vs Dex6 to see if friction stays more consistent across temps.
 
Does Hughes make one for the 350? I recall Tom searching for that for my 400.

When you say cold, how cold? It would be interesting to see a temp chart with Dex3 vs Dex6 to see if friction stays more consistent across temps.
No colder than 45 cuz that's the overnight setting in the garage. I’m inclined to think I have some sediment or something settling and then once the fluid starts flowing it gets dispersed. Dale suggested I check all of the bolts. His theory is that something is slightly loose and allowing bleed over and once everything warms up it tightens back up. I plan to drop the valve body tonight to see what I can find. Beer is in the fridge if you wanna stop by.
 
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and replaced it with what?

Told my transmission guy to put a stock valve body back in with a shift kit, he probably put in a Transgo. Took the gated Art Carr shifter out because I got tired of constantly shifting on trails, didnt like the metal scraping on the gate either, even with a little lube on it. Went back to a Chevy truck column shift. Its smooth and closer to the steering wheel. Race parts made trail riding less fun. The transmission is a mostly stock 1990 motorhome TH475.
 
Gotcha. I like compression braking and the rmvb but hate the way it downshifts. My YJ (LS, TH350,Atlas) had compression braking but a standard auto valve body and shift pattern. If this continues to be a problem, I may go back that way.
 
Gotcha. I like compression braking and the rmvb but hate the way it downshifts. My YJ (LS, TH350,Atlas) had compression braking but a standard auto valve body and shift pattern. If this continues to be a problem, I may go back that way.
you can do manual or semi manual normal pattern th350. nearly 0 cost
 
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