Really disappointed with Thomas's reasoning here. Past bullshit rulings about the schools being above the constitution do not excuse bad current rulings. Crap said at school also bleeds out to society, they aren't held liable for that so the reverse shouldn't be a concern either. And gossip has been a thing since the dawn of man. Trust me gossip got back to campus before social media.
Supreme Court FreeSpeech for kids off campus
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All that is going to happen moving forward is schools will punish kids for their online behavior outside of school, and they will say it just isn't a good fit. Kids will learn to keep their social media private, and this isn't the last time someone does some shit off school/company time and gets busted for it.
EDIT: Exactly what Thomas said....your shit is public, can be seen at school and can cause problems at school. You don't want school to find out? Hide your shit. Bitch didn't make varsity and she was pissed off. Okay, well fuck you get the fuck off JV with that attitude because you're not better than the rest of us. Watch her get cut for attitude, rant on social media about it, then get told "you don't fit the team" and nothing else.
EDIT: Exactly what Thomas said....your shit is public, can be seen at school and can cause problems at school. You don't want school to find out? Hide your shit. Bitch didn't make varsity and she was pissed off. Okay, well fuck you get the fuck off JV with that attitude because you're not better than the rest of us. Watch her get cut for attitude, rant on social media about it, then get told "you don't fit the team" and nothing else.
You think a school is going to give the supreme court the bird and fight that again?
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They will do what schools always do. They will do what they want. They don't care about he court. How many kids will have the power and the support to make them follow any ruling?
There is a reason they don't teach civics until senior year.
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I think they're going to be creative in how they handle this moving forward. The girl was a sophomore in 2017 so she's graduated now. All this drug out for four years because she was cut from Varsity due to her attitude and what she said. No fight necessary. Next time she rants on social media wait for her to have attitude at practice and kick her off the team. Problem solved.
Fair enough. I was just curious what you were expecting. I have no idea.
SanDiegoCJ
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I agree with this. Since they're tax funded they are a defacto government entity.
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I think he has a point, they court should clearly explain it's position. After all we all know to well how things that are not said leads to wild interpretation down the road. If they switch course fine but it should be clearly (as possible) stated by they are changing course to alleviate any speculation.
I can agree with that, but I think you have to squint pretty hard to find that position in his statement. I have some vague recollection that a dissention is required on all rulings to establish that both sides were considered, but I have desire to fact check my memory. If he was just checking boxes, your point would have been the center piece of my dissention rather than oh yeah by the way.
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Hard to say how much he placed on it, but it's right there.
Supreme Court rules for Pennsylvania cheerleader in school free speech case
The Supreme Court upheld First Amendment claims of cheerleader Brandi Levy, who was disciplined by a Pennsylvania high school for a critical Snap off campus.www.cnbc.com
He also wrote that the majority failed to explain why it breaks from a prior rule that schools can regulate off-campus speech “so long as it has a proximate tendency to harm the school, its faculty or students, or its programs.”
The “foundation” of the majority’s ruling “is untethered from anything stable,” Thomas wrote, “and courts (and schools) will almost certainly be at a loss as to what exactly the Court’s opinion today means.”
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Looks to be the right decision to me.
Just thinking about a coach who has to deal with some little fuck talking shit and undermining them online and can't throw him off the team for it because they do not do it at practice or at school.
The coach would just need to:
Find some other reason to get rid of them,
Goad the little prick into blowing up at practice,
Tell the team they have too much time on their hands if they can talk shit online and run them ragged until the prick quits or the other kids beat them with a lock-in-a-sock.
Just thinking about a coach who has to deal with some little fuck talking shit and undermining them online and can't throw him off the team for it because they do not do it at practice or at school.
The coach would just need to:
Find some other reason to get rid of them,
Goad the little prick into blowing up at practice,
Tell the team they have too much time on their hands if they can talk shit online and run them ragged until the prick quits or the other kids beat them with a lock-in-a-sock.
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OR....
Just hear me out here.
The coach COULD judge the kid for what he is doing at practice and stay out of kids social network drama.
Schools are what is wrong with this country.
I can't tell you how many times I heard school officials explain that kids have no right on campus. Mother fucker, GOD (or birth or however you want to state it) gave me those rights, not you or the government.
And I don't care what student rule form you forced me to sign under duress.
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For sure.
As silly as this case is on the surface I think it is really important. The boundaries of school / government / and free speech needs to be clearly defined because we have this new form of speech that is public and private at the same time and stays around forever electronically. This is at least a step in the right direction, the less power schools and government have the better.
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I don't think so. Cheer, baseball, etc. Pretty sure all costs are covered by the parents that pay and that coaches volunteer.
Or maybe things change when it's school team vs. little league?
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WRONG!
It's a PE class, the coaches are paid by the district, the fields are provided by the district, they may throw in a $20. athletics fee, but it by NO MEANS covers the cost of the sport
Hell, the coaches even get an extra stipend in their pay to compensate them for the extra time athletics takes up before and after typical school hours. And do you realize what your district is paying y'alls athletic directors and head coaches? They are some of the highest paid positions in the school system.
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Or, just maybe, the coach is a piece of shit.
I hate how the teacher/coach is assumed in the right. Grand majority of them are cockbites.
I hate how the teacher/coach is assumed in the right. Grand majority of them are cockbites.
MigGunslinger
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When I was in HS 2000-2004 my football coaches got paid like 1500 for the entire year. They put in 3-4 hours a day during the season and most of saturday. The money was so little as to be negligible. I want to say that there was a limit to how many coaches they would pay for too so the booster club had to come up with money for much of the equipment and personnel. We did car washes, fireworks stands, coupon books, all the typical shit.
Two caveats:
The head coach was actually hired on to monitor On Campus Suspension during the school day, I don't know how much he actually got paid but every other coach was either a teacher or had a real job. The Head coach lived in a regular house and drove a regular truck and his wife worked so I doubt he was making millions.
This was California not Odessa Texas, Football was not the end all be all of our society so it may be much different other places.
still used school facilities right?
still paid someone to mow the field with a district owned and maintained piece of equipment right?
Still have to carry liability insurance on the whole complex and be responsible for anything bad that may happen right?
sure, you did some fundraising, but organized high school sports don't exist without taxpayer funded infrastructure.