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Stupid heavy truck/trailer axle question

M92PV4U said:
I thought that you were trying to make a spacer to replace the inner rim and then run the outta rim on backwards. I'll go reread.
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Yeah, I was, but like I said I can get either a budd or dayton axle for the same price so I'll use whichever is easier. Right now it looks like running just the inboard dual and widening the tube on a budd axle is the way to go.

M92PV4U said:
Here what I didn't comprehend :homer:.

Our local machine shop can only roll a circle so small, somewhere above 5".
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Your local machine shop presumably won't churn out a polygon and call it a circle. :laughing:
 
Yeah just cut I and find a tube to fit it. Anything else and it’s a shit show. Right size tube and it’s a hour project tops.
 
I’m not a fan of these axles for a automotive trailer. Too tall and no brakes.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
I’m not a fan of these axles for a automotive trailer. Too tall and no brakes.
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Lol.

This axle was our backhoe trailer for years, then a drill pipe trailer. The other was a gravel trailer 5k ish pounds of sand.

The backhoe was pulled by a big truck, the gravel trailer was pulled by a ¾ ton.

Everything is correct now though.
 
Single wheel 'strong arm' axle off a wrecked/old junk yard cement mixer truck . Strong arm is the hydraulic contolled axle for they are loaded. Giv you what you need . Two types of budds. Hub centric is the newest type. Lug centric started in the 1930's. Used an inner lug for inside wheel. Lug nut for outer. I think the wheels were 'coined' for alignment. 'Daytons' go back to wood spoked wheels cars/trucks
 
Spreader said:
Single wheel 'strong arm' axle off a wrecked/old junk yard cement mixer truck .
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Yeah, that's about 3x the budget that has been allocated to this. :laughing:

There's a used trailer dealer that does $400/axle regardless of what it is.
 
Why waste time with the dayton hubs when you can get hub pilot or stud pilot probably easier and cheaper? Weighs alot less too.

Only trailer I'd ever build would be running real truck stuff so this has been on my radar. The hell with light duty trash.
 
[486] said:
buy a school bus
use the front axle
scrap the rest
come out ahead
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Believe me, I thought of that.

The first thing I did was send the guy to CL listings for MDT front axles and say "buy this, add a tube and I'll make it work."

Of course the only ones were all the way in northern Vermont so that was a non-starter.

This isn't a situation where I can just buy a $5k school bus.

I'm tempted to try showing up at the scrap yard with a wad of cash on a Saturday morning and see if they have anything.

Dethmachinefab said:
Why waste time with the dayton hubs when you can get hub pilot or stud pilot probably easier and cheaper? Weighs alot less too.
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It was just a question.

I was hoping I could flip the rim but I guess it's tapered so that's out.
 
just mount a bare rim on the inside, get something like a 20" one instead of a 22.5 (they're the same hub size) and you just leave the lock ring and bead off, instantly it's a couple inches smaller diameter than the .5 would be, hell torch off what you don't gotta have in there
prolly be small enough you'd just run the deck over it without worrying about needing a wheel well for clearance
 
If you're looking for mdt parts to build from Rydemore truck is 10 minutes away on Benson St.
 
Has anyone asked what exactly are the plans for the brakes?

OP you know those axles have air brakes, right?
 
They do make longer wedges to single out Dayton’s. Lots of guys around here run them on the lift axles.
 
I'd just use 2 long enough pieces of 3/8 thick or thicker 2-1/2 to 3 inch angle iron (or whatever fits the axle tube) making close to a box shape over the axle tube if I didn't have a few of mobile home axles laying around anyway which have good tubes to use for stuff like this.
 
Got a line on a junkyard that has a fair number of (1995-2015 or thereabouts) International buses and box trucks

A quick Google image survey of early 2000s Internationals shows 8-lug and 10-lug. I assume that the 8 is 8x275mm and the 10 is 10x11.25".

Anyone have any opinion on which I should ask for? I'm thinking 10-lug because 10x11.25 rims are routinely available free if you take the bald tires that are on them. Any reason not to go that route?

What's a fair price? I'm thinking $400ish?
 
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they prefer the 8 bolt wheels in india and pakistan
you wanna be like them, don't you?
 
A guy with an F600 parts truck I had contacted last week got back to me today.

He said he'd sell them both axles for a decently fair price. Hopefully this will save me from paying a premium at a junkyard and from having to track down rims/tires separately.

He had some long ass story about how it's in the woods on his friend's farm and he needs to get his friend to torch out the axles but he's busy running a septic business and fixing his own junk, etc, etc.

Looks like juice brakes on the front. WTF are those cans on the rear? I can see the juice brake hose and hydraulic lines. Wedge style parking brake? Doesn't look like a normal air can though.

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knowing what words to toss in is like 99% of the battle

they are way easy to disable, just unscrew the cans off the backing plates
 
Just crank down the nut in the end of the can. It’ll pull the brake off just like caging an air brake canister Or just unscrew the whole can as already said
 
So the seller texts me today saying he broke off the vent cap. WTF, why were you fucking with it? :laughing:

Also I got a data plate for the rear axle that I don't really need.

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What weight capacity do you guys think a 4" sch40 pipe is good to?

OD is 4.5" and wall is .237". Wall thickness is less then stellar but OD hopefully makes up for it.

It's gonna be ~74" spring pad to spring pad with 4-6" of tube beyond that into which the spindle will fit.
 
arse_sidewards said:
What weight capacity do you guys think a 4" sch40 pipe is good to?

OD is 4.5" and wall is .237". Wall thickness is less then stellar but OD hopefully makes up for it.

It's gonna be ~74" spring pad to spring pad with 4-6" of tube beyond that into which the spindle will fit.
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That is bigger than most 10k trailer axles. Bump it up to sch80 and it will definitely be fine.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
That is bigger than most 10k trailer axles. Bump it up to sch80 and it will definitely be fine.
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I was under the impression that most of the axles in the "this trailer gets pulled by a medium duty truck" ballpark were 4-5" and 3/8-1/2 wall

Sch80 doesn't show up for cheap on CL. If you think 40 is fine then I'm gonna run it. Realistically there needs to be a tow rig upgrade before this thing is any danger of seeing more than half capacity.

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arse_sidewards said:
I was under the impression that most of the axles in the "this trailer gets pulled by a medium duty truck" ballpark were 4-5" and 3/8-1/2 wall

Sch80 doesn't show up for cheap on CL. If you think 40 is fine then I'm gonna run it. Realistically there needs to be a tow rig upgrade before this thing is any danger of seeing more than half capacity.

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The tube doesn’t need to be round. All my conveyors have square tubes. The orange one I fixed was a 8x8 x3/8 square tube. Then uses implement hubs and spindles. That fucker weighs more than 10k.

The spindles and hubs are cheap. $80-120 a side.

Just a random site. Ag Spindles-Hubs
 
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