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ANGELO

ANGELO

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Lost my pole barn and car port. I'll be needing a replacement for just storing stuff, I have a separate barn to work out of (will be replacing it in a few years)
I need something for the mower, tractor, golf cart, and other assorted things. Also airboat needs to be covered, and I want something big enough to fit a camper potentially. My pole barn and car port combined was able to cover everything.
I don't want something that will fall down every hurricane. So no carport style barn. Those seem to do the worse.
I think my options are
another lean to pole barn, either with straight steel trusses or just a normal wood one. Mine failed because the previous owner all around half built this thing. I never finished strengthening what he started. But even if I did, I think it still would have failed, the back side of the eye had the wind blowing directly into the building with no where to go but up. To get a camper or even the airboat I would have to go high up.
Steel truss pole barn on 8x8s. I think I like this over the lean to. Seems better with it being higher up. But I feel winds still going to get under it.
For both of them I would really want to cover some of the side at least partially for sun, which probably would negatively effect it strength.

Or I think I'm leaning towards a quonset hut.
Dead space doesn't matter. It's just storage. I'm sure I can tuck things against the wall. Prices I've been seeing seems about the same as a steel truss barn would be. Are there any other negatives for a Quonset but other then no doors or windows in the side, and the dead space on the walls? I think that would be the strongest way to have a roof and walls. I believe WaterH is a fan of Quonset huts?
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I have 2 30x60 quonset huts to put up one of these days. One is steel, the other tarp.
The steel one is rated for over 50psf snow and 120 mph wind.
Probably like $25-30k L48 price.
 
In law's neighbors have a modern quonset hut and the things seems pretty bullet proof. They are west of Many, LA, so they have more tornadoes than direct hurricanes, but dude's shed has stood for ten years without giving up. As I recall, he paneled with plywood maybe 5' up and then put his benches and chests against that to minimize dead space and keep shit from accumulating.
 
dunno said:
In law's neighbors have a modern quonset hut and the things seems pretty bullet proof. They are west of Many, LA, so they have more tornadoes than direct hurricanes, but dude's shed has stood for ten years without giving up. As I recall, he paneled with plywood maybe 5' up and then put his benches and chests against that to minimize dead space and keep shit from accumulating.
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Is the modern Quonset the one that's not a half circle?
 
It was at the old place, the old country where so many of us came from ………. :homer: Was a thread on these add water to concrete inflate a Quonset type hut. Man time flies. :lmao:
 
AKnate said:
I have 2 30x60 quonset huts to put up one of these days. One is steel, the other tarp.
The steel one is rated for over 50psf snow and 120 mph wind.
Probably like $25-30k L48 price.
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Neighbor put one up, then we got a 4.5' dump. It collapsed not 3 months after it was up. There is now a stick built garage on the pad. :lmao:
 
The property I bought is on the top of the highest point for miles around in three directions, and it's got a hay barn on it that was built in the 60s. Back when they made them with real metal siding, not the 26 gauge bullshit everybody is building with nowdays. It's just a hay barn, only has (had) two sides. I took out a large portion of one side when I put my RV under it to stay in until my house is built. NETX, top of a hill that you can see the horizon for 270 degrees, it sees heavy winds regularly, every spring and fall. Still standing.

I've done hurricane disaster recovery for 8 hurricanes since Michael, and the biggest thing I've seen since then is you have to have an outlet for the input. Driving through neighborhoods that had been demolished, you could see in every one that the houses that were still standing had all their windows and doors intact.

If you make it a sealed structure, make damned sure it'll stay sealed. Otherwise, make it a structure that the wind can just blow through, like a hay barn, and deal with the clean up later.

Quonset huts are built for shit, structurally. Rain load and snow load, sure. But they fold like a soda can in wind. Every time I go to my brother's place I drive past one that looks like an Amazon packing bubble that's been stepped on. The front third has been crushed down to the dirt from a windstorm that blew the front wall inward.
 
Just thinking out loud, never had to deal with wind load because the air doesn't move here-

I would think it needs to be 100% enclosed like a shop or totally open on all 4 sides like a big carport. Having 1 or 2 or the worst 3 walls seems like you're making a parachute.

Of course with enough metal you can make anything last. If it absolutely has to have 3 walls you can get enough W beams in there and ridiculously over done trusses to make it hold. $$$
 
45acp said:
Just thinking out loud, never had to deal with wind load because the air doesn't move here-

I would think it needs to be 100% enclosed like a shop or totally open on all 4 sides like a big carport. Having 1 or 2 or the worst 3 walls seems like you're making a parachute.

Of course with enough metal you can make anything last. If it absolutely has to have 3 walls you can get enough W beams in there and ridiculously over done trusses to make it hold. $$$
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Totally agree with partially enclosed. But I feel totally open could be pulled right up also. After Ian there was quite a few fully open car ports, and steel truss car ports free on marketplace collapsed.
I could do a steel truss enclosed shop, but I would rather do my main shop first.
To me a Quonset but just looks the most aerodynamic. (Not the ones that look like a car port. The more traditional ones.) I think I would do both end walls if I did that.
 
If you look at a roof without walls from the side it’s not hard to imagine it looking like an airplane wing. Plenty of planes have a wing that are open on the bottom.
Anyhow, I’d think that the carports roof is making lift. Once it makes more lift than it can handle it buckles and the whole thing fails.

I live in the land of snow so we do complete barns. Seems like the best way to keep them standing to me is complete enclosed
 
Bacchus said:
The property I bought is on the top of the highest point for miles around in three directions, and it's got a hay barn on it that was built in the 60s. Back when they made them with real metal siding, not the 26 gauge bullshit everybody is building with nowdays. It's just a hay barn, only has (had) two sides. I took out a large portion of one side when I put my RV under it to stay in until my house is built. NETX, top of a hill that you can see the horizon for 270 degrees, it sees heavy winds regularly, every spring and fall. Still standing.

I've done hurricane disaster recovery for 8 hurricanes since Michael, and the biggest thing I've seen since then is you have to have an outlet for the input. Driving through neighborhoods that had been demolished, you could see in every one that the houses that were still standing had all their windows and doors intact.

If you make it a sealed structure, make damned sure it'll stay sealed. Otherwise, make it a structure that the wind can just blow through, like a hay barn, and deal with the clean up later.

Quonset huts are built for shit, structurally. Rain load and snow load, sure. But they fold like a soda can in wind. Every time I go to my brother's place I drive past one that looks like an Amazon packing bubble that's been stepped on. The front third has been crushed down to the dirt from a windstorm that blew the front wall inward.
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If they had solid end walls and some sort of solid foundation, shouldn't they hold up to wind loads better then a exclosed square building?

I could definitely see a open one folding in if the wind hits it right
 
ANGELO said:
After Ian there was quite a few fully open car ports, and steel truss car ports free on marketplace collapsed.
I could do a steel truss enclosed shop, but I would rather do my main shop first.
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But, did they collapse because they were open, or did they collapse because weak built carports are common in the south?

Like the store bought ones that are plentiful around here, all have the roof panels running the wrong direction and are framed with what looks like 2" 18g. square tube. They're fine for what they are (other than i don't like the look) but i wouldn't have one near a coast or in a roadsalt state with snow load.

Adding an X or some kind of V or A on 2 sides will drastically increase strength with wind load.
 
45acp said:
But, did they collapse because they were open, or did they collapse because weak built carports are common in the south?

Like the store bought ones that are plentiful around here, all have the roof panels running the wrong direction and are framed with what looks like 2" 18g. square tube. They're fine for what they are (other than i don't like the look) but i wouldn't have one near a coast or in a roadsalt state with snow load.

Adding an X or some kind of V or A on 2 sides will drastically increase strength with wind load.
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Definitely weak.
The steel truss style with 8x8 posts seems way stronger, but we were watching the neighbors bouncing around in the gusts.
 
I flew all over southern luwezeanna after Katrina. Quancets were often the only thing standing. In the town of Boothville, they had 12 feet of water that cleaned most of the buildings down to the foundations. But there were quancets with big dents from shit floating into them.

I built my 40 by 60 quancet after that. I had a cat 5 go over that did nothing to it. Mine has 4 feet straight walls before starting the curve. No problem with interference that way.

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Don’t really have any good pics of it. If I were doing it again, I might have built two smaller ones instead of this.
 
ANGELO said:
Is the modern Quonset the one that's not a half circle?
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Seems like it is something other than a half circle, maybe the sides aren't that sloped, but I don't think they are vertical, either.
What impressed me most is the way that it's all corrugated and the interlock system seems to make it really rigid.

ETA: yeah, it's like WaterH's.
 
ANGELO said:
I'll be needing a replacement for just storing stuff, I have a separate barn to work out of (will be replacing it in a few years)
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Considered doing a combination/internally divided shop/storage?
 
TiTRD said:
I'd sell it. Getting it to you would suck though. If you can figure a way to get it there, make an offer. PM if you're serious :grinpimp:
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PM sent but I think logistics is gonna likely kill off this deal.:dustin:
 
WaterH said:
I flew all over southern luwezeanna after Katrina. Quancets were often the only thing standing. In the town of Boothville, they had 12 feet of water that cleaned most of the buildings down to the foundations. But there were quancets with big dents from shit floating into them.

I built my 40 by 60 quancet after that. I had a cat 5 go over that did nothing to it. Mine has 4 feet straight walls before starting the curve. No problem with interference that way.

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Don’t really have any good pics of it. If I were doing it again, I might have built two smaller ones instead of this.
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I think that's the s style. Depending on price I think that's what I was leaning towards.
RPS1030 said:
Considered doing a combination/internally divided shop/storage?
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I don't really want everything in one big building. This one will be dirt floors. The shop will be concrete
 
Q Huts are tough to insulate very well too. Would need several inches of spray foam, and then good luck chiseling that shut off to ever mount anything in the future.
 
Figure I might as well hijack this thread rather than wait until Tuesday.

Can someone come up with a good reason why I shouldn't chainsaw the deck(s) and transom out of a 25-30ft boat, flip if over on some mafia blocks and call it covered parking?

I need fill so generating a bunch of inorganic garbage is kind of a plus. :laughing:
 
arse_sidewards said:
Figure I might as well hijack this thread rather than wait until Tuesday.

Can someone come up with a good reason why I shouldn't chainsaw the deck(s) and transom out of a 25-30ft boat, flip if over on some mafia blocks and call it covered parking?

I need fill so generating a bunch of inorganic garbage is kind of a plus. :laughing:
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I think you absolutely should. Except you should stack engine blocks or something for the uprights:flipoff2:
 
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