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So I heard that virtually all of the lawsuits on the 2020 election were thrown out for standing.

I’m not a lawyer, but I thought I understood the term standing. For example, if you punch my brother and I sue you for pain and suffering, it will get thrown out because my brother has to sue you, not me. Also, you have to prove that you did suffer a loss. So I can’t sue you for calling me stupid unless I can prove a loss related to it. (Like loss of business or offers to do speaking engagements)

That all makes sense to me, but then when we look at the 2020 election, why doesn’t Trump have standing to sue? If he doesn’t, who does?

Could someone explain this to me? Bonanza?
 
You cant sue for being called stupid if there is no proof. If there is proof that you are, indeed, stupid, then my undersyanding is thats not slander/libel/defomation of character anymore

correct me??
 
Don't forget the shit bag lawyers, sorry for being redundant.:stirthepot:
You missed Prosecuting attorneys too. :stirthepot:

You cant sue for being called stupid if there is no proof. If there is proof that you are, indeed, stupid, then my undersyanding is thats not slander/libel/defomation of character anymore

correct me??
Lord help you if they ever figure out how to sue someone for being stupid :flipoff2:
 
Doesn't answer your question but 2020 election fraud is a hot potato issue that nobody in any official capacity wants to touch. The Dems have done a masterful job of intimidating and threatening anyone who questions the election. Remember the 100+ senators and reps that were going to contest the electoral votes on Jan. 6th? Pretty much every one of them folded and fell in line after the staged fake insurrection. Talk about having zero principles.
 
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You cant sue for being called stupid if there is no proof. If there is proof that you are, indeed, stupid, then my undersyanding is thats not slander/libel/defomation of character anymore

correct me??
Calling someone stupid is an opinion and not actionable as a slander case.
Accusing someone of being a criminal or having done wrong as a statement of fact, on the other hand, could hurt their business and reputation and could be a case if it's a false allegation.
 
As far as the court refusing to hear the cases, I think it was a situation where the election entity/state has to sue themselves.
Like cops that investigate themselves and find no wrong doing, you know.

I remember more than half of all attorney generals(30+?) signed on to complain and contest the election.
 
Crooked judges.

Don't forget the shit bag lawyers, sorry for being redundant.:stirthepot:

Or you just don't under the legal process and use the above as an excuse for ignorance. I can't say I'm any better.


From Google, seems to make sense but have to read it slowly.

Standing and Why It Matters​

The concept of standing is fundamental to federal court jurisdiction. Article III § 2 of the U.S. Constitution limits the issues federal courts can resolve to “cases” (lawsuits seeking to protect and enforce rights or to prevent and punish wrongs) and “controversies” (disputes or disagreements between parties). To qualify as a case or controversy, a plaintiff must have a personal stake in the outcome. In the words of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, to bring a federal lawsuit, a plaintiff must answer the basic question that embodies the concept of standing: “What’s in it for you?”
To establish standing, the plaintiff must demonstrate:
  1. The plaintiff suffered or likely will suffer an injury in fact;
  2. The defendant caused or likely will be the cause of the injury; and
  3. The requested judicial relief likely will redress the injury.
If the plaintiff cannot satisfy all three requirements, the court must dismiss the case for lack of jurisdiction.

Injury In Fact​

An injury in fact must be a specific and actual harm. A general complaint or harm that may happen is not an injury in fact. As Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote in Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine, the doctrine of standing “screens out plaintiffs who might have only a general legal, moral, ideological, or policy objection” to a particular action.
In cases involving challenges to DEI initiatives, courts have ruled the plaintiffs failed to demonstrate an injury in fact because they could not show they would have received the benefit sought in the absence of the alleged discrimination. In two cases against the same defendant, White plaintiffs alleged that a grant program available only to Black, Latinx, and Native American applicants was unlawful race discrimination. Courts in both cases ruled that the plaintiffs lacked standing because they failed to show the defendant would have chosen them as grant recipients were it not for their race, making the plaintiffs’ alleged injury too speculative to be an injury in fact. Similarly, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit dismissed a case for lack of standing where the plaintiff failed to allege they met the non-race-related requirements for that grant and therefore failed to allege an injury in fact.
In Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine, the Alliance argued the loss of considerable resources spent unsuccessfully opposing the FDA’s regulation constituted an injury in fact. Rejecting this argument, the Court stated, “[A]n organization that has not suffered a concrete injury caused by the defendant’s actions cannot spend its way into standing.”

Causation​

Once a plaintiff has shown an injury in fact, the plaintiff must establish a chain of events leading from the defendant’s actions to the asserted injury. The Court’s analysis of causation in Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine is instructive. The Alliance alleged that the FDA’s rule would injure a doctor’s conscience by forcing the doctor to provide a life-saving abortion to someone experiencing complications from taking the drug mifepristone. The Court emphasized federal statutes expressly and definitively protect doctors from providing medical care that violates their consciences. These statutes break the chain of events that would connect the FDA’s rule authorizing the use of mifepristone to the alleged injury and thus defeat the plaintiff’s attempt to show causation.

Redressability​

The third prong of the standing test is whether a court can redress, or cure, a claimed injury. Redressability and causation are closely related. If the defendant did not cause the injury, then the court cannot redress the injury by any order to the defendant. Even if the plaintiff plausibly alleges causation, redressability may depend on the nature of the relief requested.
For example, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit found a plaintiff challenging an employer’s mandatory DEI training lacked standing because he could not demonstrate redressability. The plaintiff alleged that the defendant’s mandatory DEI trainings caused him to suffer the injury in fact of a hostile work environment. The plaintiff sought an injunction prohibiting the defendant from using or distributing DEI materials. However, because the plaintiff had resigned from his employment by the time he filed the lawsuit, the court held that a change in the defendant’s policy would not redress any ongoing injury to the plaintiff.

Associational Standing​

The Supreme Court has long recognized that, in appropriate circumstances, organizations may have standing to pursue claims on behalf of their members. This is known as “associational,” “organizational,” or “third party” standing and is a heavily litigated issue in organizations’ lawsuits challenging DEI programs and practices.
To prove associational standing, the plaintiff organization must demonstrate:
  1. The organization’s members would have standing in their own right;
  2. The interests the association seeks to vindicate are germane to the association’s mission; and
  3. Neither the claim nor the relief requested requires the participation of the individual members.
Whether establishing standing requires an organization to identify members by name depends on where the plaintiff filed the lawsuit. The Eleventh Circuit held in a 2-1 decision that an organization had standing to sue even though it declined to identify by name any member that suffered an injury in fact. (The dissenting judge observed that the organization offered no good reason for withholding members’ names and suggested that the anonymous members suffered no injury in fact but were merely lending their identities for the purpose of the litigation.)
The Second Circuit came to the opposite conclusion, dismissing an organization’s challenge to a fellowship program for lack of standing because the plaintiff organization refused to name even a single member who had suffered harm. The First Circuit also has held that a plaintiff organization must name an injured individual to support associational standing. The U.S. Supreme Court likely will have to resolve this split in the circuits.
 
And, we would like their opinions on the topic?
Maybe you would but I on the other hand could not give two shits about what they have to say.

Is this clear enough for you?

ETA, nothing against you bz, just my opinion that's all.
 
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Maybe you would but I on the other hand could not give two shits about what they have to say.

Is this clear enough for you?

ETA, nothing against you bz, just my opinion that's all.
No flack here, it's still irresponsible to wish death on people in a public forum. :laughing: I wouldn't say that around a campfire. What separates us from the unmentionables if we don't take the higher road?

Wishing them to have lego pieces installed into their feet is another option.
 
Or you just don't under the legal process and use the above as an excuse for ignorance. I can't say I'm any better.


From Google, seems to make sense but have to read it slowly.
So I just read this wall of text and it seems to be pretty much what I thought. There is a little more to it than I thought, but I still don’t see on what basis Trump doesn’t have standing. I also don’t understand how the states that sued don’t have standing.
 
So I just read this wall of text and it seems to be pretty much what I thought. There is a little more to it than I thought, but I still don’t see on what basis Trump doesn’t have standing. I also don’t understand how the states that sued don’t have standing.
Every Trump voter should have standing.
 
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