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Rage Against The War Machine is a rally focused on promotion of peace and taking a stand against the Millitary industrial complex. This rally will attract thousands of individuals who are moderate-left-leaning politically in a statement of peace.
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Gbkeith said:
Or is peace the most direct expression of collectivism? It only exists at the threat of violence.
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individual projection of violence sure seems to stand up to (and win against or outlast) systems of collectivized violence every time

ETA: Just gotta look at it in a long enough timescale.
 
subybaja said:
Promoting "peace" is just as dumb as promoting "violence".
A particular war, a particular peace, sure, but peace in general? Nope. Sometimes war is appropriate.
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Of course you’re right, sometimes it’s appropriate. I mean, not for the last 80 years. As in, never in the last 80 years. We now know that every single action over that time was predicated on lies.

So, how many times in a row would we need to gather the same data before it was easier to say that war is worse than peace?




Edit: our perpetual wars of aggression are absolutely eroding American liberties.

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OHV Wildcat said:
Of course you’re right, sometimes it’s appropriate. I mean, not for the last 80 years. As in, never in the last 80 years. We now know that every single action over that time was predicated on lies.

So, how many times in a row would we need to gather the same data before it was easier to say that war is worse than peace?
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Even prior to the last 80 years. Our involvement in WWII was based on a number of lies, it's even likely we had advanced warning of Pearl Harbor and FDR let it happen to sway public opinion in support of us joining the war. Patton was pretty vocal about what a mistake the war was, how we should have turned on the Soviets, and how we might have joined the wrong side and they killed him for it, or at least it certainly seems to be the case if you read between the lines in the "official" narrative. We're still dealing with all sorts of problems in the Mid East stemming from Eisenhower's Presidency after WWII. At least he had the sense to recognize it was a mistake and to warn the public not to allow future administrations to make the same mistake.

Same thing with WWI. Wilson used Germany attacking "merchant" ships as justification for us entering the war, but the fact is those merchant ships were running arms and supplies to one side in the war.

Or it's just total coincidence that the two most Socialist Progressive Presidents we've ever had got us involved in foreign wars in Europe.

USS Maine was likely a false flag used to kick off the Spanish American War or at the very least an accident that the media intentionally sold to the public as an attack to fuel public support for the war.

We were involved in plenty of bullshit foreign wars as well throughout the the 1800s as well. We've more or less been involved in non-stop warfare since our founding.
 
My grandfather flew a plane with machine guns in its wings (Corsair) that looks like it was riveted together in a garage, off the deck of a boat. Fastforward a few years later, we have this. Reagan's party now sees Putin as an idol and Barack Obama's party is now the party of Dick Cheney.

Aye aye aye.
 
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I agree that the choice of action is mostly futile…. Only reason I’m considering is, it’s not nothing!!!! Doing nothing is exactly how we’ve got here!!!!
:ramble about the 4th turning here:
 
OHV Wildcat said:
Of course you’re right, sometimes it’s appropriate. I mean, not for the last 80 years. As in, never in the last 80 years. We now know that every single action over that time was predicated on lies.

So, how many times in a row would we need to gather the same data before it was easier to say that war is worse than peace?




Edit: our perpetual wars of aggression are absolutely eroding American liberties.

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You are confusing war for nation building.

We would 100% be justified in leveling Saudi Arabia after 9-11.
The part that the US absolutely SUCKS at is.. You kill them..AND THEN YOU LEAVE.
 
[486] said:
isn't war just collectivism in its most direct and worst face?
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No

War is open, obvious, direct, joint venture, conflict resolution.


The worst face of collectivism is the isolation, starvation, abuse and destruction of individuality.


For star trek reference and gene Roddenberry statement of it.

War = proud klingons
Collectivism = indominable borg
 
grumpy356 said:
You are confusing war for nation building.

We would 100% be justified in leveling Saudi Arabia after 9-11.
The part that the US absolutely SUCKS at is.. You kill them..AND THEN YOU LEAVE.
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Also no :flipoff2:

We kill lots of people very well, the notion that you kill people and don't seek to retain the gains is the fatal flaw of limited warfare

You kill whoever and then you stay.
 
Dude you should totally go.

You should go to the feds front yard.
Then you should attend an event attended by feds and probably put on by feds.
Then you should follow the totally not feds group of attendees and do whatever they do blindly.
Profit?
Then you should go home and tell everyone that it wasn't you and you just got caught up in the moment on a platform the feds are looking at too.
Then you should get mad for walking into a fed trap, but not at yourself because you're too stupid to see it, but at the feds for laying the trap so well.
 
Provience said:
No

War is open, obvious, direct, joint venture, conflict resolution.


The worst face of collectivism is the isolation, starvation, abuse and destruction of individuality.


For star trek reference and gene Roddenberry statement of it.

War = proud klingons
Collectivism = indominable borg
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so



risking your life to kill people



for having different moral views than you



at the direction of the state apparatus




is the greatest expression of individualism
 
[486] said:
so



risking your life to kill people



for having different moral views than you



at the direction of the state apparatus




is the greatest expression of individualism
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Yes.

War is politics in action. The draft is the biggest issue, the volunteer aspect is required. That such cooersion is separate from the concept of war. If you can't fund or staff a war organically and must resort to collectivism to force the issue, it becomes a concern. An organic war is still a war and highly rewards meritocracy and individualism.

They could have different morals, different resources, or any other such cause as drives conflict and merits resolution
 
Just like how dogs and horses always have the alpha that asserts dominance constantly

We should be advanced enough to not just dwell on who can kick who's ass. But no...
 
Provience said:
We've been in limited warfare for over 100 years :homer:
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And haven't won an engagement since WWII, when we dropped 2 atomic bombs, KILLING EVERYONE AND THEN LEAVING, not occupying or nation building.
 
Filthy McChevy said:
Just like how dogs and horses always have the alpha that asserts dominance constantly

We should be advanced enough to not just dwell on who can kick who's ass. But no...
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If you can't physically stop somebody, what is there to do? Either stay nomadic [east hemisphere] or generate enough excess to appease the physical minded [western hemisphere]
 
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