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Here is a little reminder for Tony Timpa.



'You're gonna kill me!': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life​

Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as officers pinned his shoulders, knees and neck to the ground in 2016.​

Tony Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as Dallas police officers pinned his shoulders, knees and neck to the ground.

“You’re gonna kill me! You’re gonna kill me! You’re gonna kill me!”
After Timpa fell unconscious, the officers who had him in handcuffs assumed he was asleep and didn’t confirm that he was breathing or feel for a pulse.

As precious minutes passed, the officers laughed and joked about waking Timpa up for school and making him waffles for breakfast.


Body camera footage obtained Tuesday by The Dallas Morning News shows first responders waited at least four minutes after Timpa became unresponsive to begin CPR. His nose was buried in the grass while officers claimed to hear him snoring -- apparently unaware that the unarmed man was drawing his last breaths.
The officers pinned his handcuffed arms behind his back for nearly 14 minutes and zip-tied his legs together. By the time he was loaded onto a gurney and put into an ambulance, the 32-year-old was dead.

The News obtained Dallas Police Department body camera footage after a three-year fight for records related to Timpa's death. A federal judge ruled Monday in favor of a motion by The News and NBC5 to release records from his death, saying "the public has a compelling interest in understanding what truly took place during a fatal exchange between a citizen and law enforcement."
Timpa called 911 on Aug. 10, 2016, from the parking lot of a Dallas porn store, saying he was afraid and needed help. He told a dispatcher he suffered from schizophrenia and depression and was off his prescription medication. The News first reported Timpa's death in a 2017 investigation that showed Dallas police refused to say how a man who had called 911 for help ended up dead.

The newly obtained video and records, part of a lawsuit filed by Timpa’s family in federal court alleging excessive force, contradict key claims Dallas police have made in defending the officers’ actions.

Police incident reports recounting the officers’ version of events claim Timpa’s behavior that night was aggressive and combative. The video shows Timpa writhing at times and clearly struggling to breathe, asking the officers to stop pinning him down.


On a custodial death report submitted to the state in 2016, the department answered "no" to questions about whether Timpa resisted arrest, threatened or fought officers.

Police had previously claimed to use only enough force necessary to block Timpa from rolling into a busy section of Mockingbird Lane. In the first minute, Timpa rolls around near the curb. But the video shows a police car clearly blocks traffic about a minute later near the bus bench where the officers had pinned him. Several officers continue pressing his restrained body into the ground.
He had already been handcuffed by a private security guard before police arrived. He never threatens to hurt or kill the police.

The footage also shows the officers mocking Timpa as he struggled to live. Shortly after one officer ridicules Timpa’s repeated cries for help, an officer notes that he appears to be “out cold.”

They joke that he’s merely asleep and try to wake him: “It’s time for school. Wake up!”

One officer mimics a teen saying: “I don’t want to go to school! Five more minutes, Mom!”

They joke about buying him new shoes for the first day of school and making him a special breakfast, laughing loudly.
It’s unclear from the video why Dallas Fire-Rescue medical responders don’t intervene immediately after Timpa loses consciousness.

“I was unable to assess the patient due to his combativeness,” said one of the first responders in a newly obtained affidavit.

However, the medical responders appear to take Timpa’s blood pressure while he is still conscious, about five minutes before administering Versed, a powerful sedative. By the time the paramedic gives Timpa the sedative, officers already are questioning if Timpa is awake.

A Dallas Fire-Rescue spokesman declined to comment on the paramedics’ actions, citing the family’s pending lawsuit in federal court. The Dallas Police Department also declined to comment.

Timpa died within 20 minutes of police arriving, and at least 15 minutes before an ambulance eventually transported his body to Parkland hospital.

As the officers and paramedics struggle to load Timpa’s lifeless body onto the gurney, they begin to panic, seeing his glassy, open eyes and blades of grass stuck to his mouth.


Tony Timpa died in August 2016 at age 32. His family has fought since then to find answers in his death.
One of the officers asks: “He didn’t just die down there, did he?”

An autopsy ruled Timpa's cause of death was a homicide, sudden cardiac death due to "the toxic effects of cocaine and the stress associated with physical restraint."


The city of Dallas and Dallas County officials had fought since September 2016 to prevent public release of the records, arguing it could interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation. Officials then said the records could not be released because a criminal case against three of the police officers never made it to trial.

Those three officers -- Kevin Mansell, Danny Vasquez and Dustin Dillard -- were indicted by a grand jury in 2017 on charges of misdemeanor deadly conduct, three months after The News published its investigation into Timpa's death. Following two days of testimony, the grand jury's indictment stated that the "officers engaged in reckless conduct that placed Timpa in imminent danger of serious bodily injury."

But in March, Dallas County District Attorney John Creuzot dismissed the charges.

Creuzot previously told The News that he met with "all three medical examiners" who had testified to the grand jury. They reportedly told him they did not believe the officers acted recklessly and "cannot, and will not, testify to the elements of the indictment beyond a reasonable doubt."
Records recently obtained by The News show the Dallas Police Department's internal affairs investigation related to Timpa's death was completed months before the officers were indicted. Dillard, Mansell and Vasquez were disciplined for "conduct discrediting" the department, but those allegations were dropped when the criminal charges were dismissed. Vasquez and another officer present at Timpa's death also received written reprimands for "discourtesy" and "unprofessionalism."




According to internal affairs records, Mansell and Vasquez were placed on administrative leave in December 2017. Dillard was also placed on leave in March 2018, internal affairs records show.

The officers returned to active duty in April after Creuzot dropped the criminal case against them.

In the video, Dillard pins Timpa to the ground with his knee in his back for more than 13 minutes. Keeping someone face-down and bound at the arms and legs is known as the "prone position," a method of restraint that is controversial in policing. Several studies have shown it may increase the risk for asphyxiation and sudden death.

Officers should know the dangers of restraining someone in a prone position, said Erik Heipt, a Seattle lawyer who specializes in cases of in-custody deaths.

“It’s just basic science: People can be essentially suffocated to death when they're lying on their stomachs in a prone position and there’s weight on their backs compressing their chest and diaphragm,” Heipt said.


“As soon as [police] have someone handcuffed, they’ve got to know to turn them on their sides and be on the lookout for any compromised breathing issues.”

For a person who is restrained and gasping for air, the instinct often is to panic and struggle. Officers may interpret this as resisting and apply more pressure to the person’s back.

“It’s a lethal cycle that happens,” Heipt said.
When officers first arrived at the scene, they told Timpa he would be OK. “We’re gonna get you some help, man,” one of the officers tells him.

But within 15 minutes, Timpa’s not breathing and Dillard can be heard saying: “I hope I didn’t kill him.”


Moments later, after the emergency medical technicians tell police he is dead, Dillard climbs out of the ambulance that holds Timpa’s lifeless body.

Dillard turns to someone before shutting off his body camera and says, “Sorry. We tried.”
 
I need to know the race of those involved, before I decide whether I am outraged or not.

Not really. But the media and progressives (I am repeating myself) do. It's all that matters to them.
 
I need to know the race of those involved, before I decide whether I am outraged or not.

Not really. But the media and progressives (I am repeating myself) do. It's all that matters to them.
You probably never heard of him, so I think you know the race.
 
You probably never heard of him, so I think you know the race.

I've been telling people about Tony Timpa for many months. I heard the story from John McWorther.

Not a peep from the media.
 
He was going to die anyway, because of drugs. It’s just coincidence cops had him face down, cuffed and knees on his back (not neck) and he died. I bet he had a counterfeit $20 bill in his pocket and a record, so, no way cops caused his death
 
Let’s not forget about the guy with the last name of Valenzuela who was killed in Las Cruces a couple of weeks before Floyd.
Yeah, never heard a peep about his beaner ass even though he died the same way as GF.
 
The cops in that case were let off the hook because of Qualified Immunity. It pisses me the fuck off that those cops were let off, but not Chauvin under the same law. It's mostly a bullshit law, but a little consistency wouldn't hurt, would it?

I think Chauvin and these assholes should burn, but in a limited sense. Qualified Immunity should protect them all to a degree, consistently.

Then, the entire police system should be overhauled and Qualified Immunity mostly dismantled. It's the system that should be on trial for murder, not a few individuals working within that flawed system.

And fuck the race card. We all know nobody would have given a shit if Floyd wasn't black, just like nobody gives a shit about Timpa.
 
Where's the boorlickers?




My how times have changed.
Not a bootlicker, not a boothater, or whatever.

Anyone expecting perfection from police and subject them to a higher standard than the rest of civilization is stupid and unrealistic. The same dopeheads also complain that only the shittiest members of society become cops. Really, that hard to figure out?

The point of this thread is to point out the obvious racial bias in the media, ie the same shit happens to whites, but is never reported.

You wanna stomp around like a 2 yo spouting about how all cops are thugs and deserve to ride the lightning.... fine. You do the fool.
 
The cop who shot the 16 year old this weekend showed above average situational awareness and reaction. He saved the woman in pinks life and should be commended for it. He showed he operates under pressure at a higher level than most.
Yeah, and of course people are playing the race card. Fucking idiots. She was trying to stab people and was shot in defense of another. But she was black! Whaaah! Fuck :mad3:
 
You wanna stomp around like a 2 yo spouting about how all cops are thugs and deserve to ride the lightning.... fine. You do the fool.

I said that?
When? Where? What?

Yes cops should be held to a higher standard. I have a CCW permit, and understand that after a shooting, I'll likely be held to a higher standard.
I had a CDL, and in regards the a DUI, or trying to do to driving school to avoid a ticket, I'd be held to a higher standard.
Cops should not have immunity.
Cops should be trained to de escalate, not just this militarized door kicker shit they've been on for the last 20 years.

I've been pretty consistent on this, most cops aren't bad apples, but most cops will cover for dirty cops, or follow unconstitutional orders from above,
so IMO decent cops won't last on the job, they'll go find honest work.

I disliked law enforcement before it was cool. But don't mistake me for some brainwashed ACAB twit.

Edit: you a cop? Your dad? Seem to have a personal investment
 
That’s exactly the point of training, to make split second assessments and decisions like it’s second nature. The rest of civilization doesn’t have that training and isn’t expected to act professionally but cops are. With the power that comes with the job also comes responsibly and risk.

The cop who shot the 16 year old this weekend showed above average situational awareness and reaction. He saved the woman in pinks life and should be commended for it. He showed he operates under pressure at a higher level than most.
He will get nailed for excessive force. They will say he should have tazered her.
 
I said that?
When? Where? What?

Yes cops should be held to a higher standard. I have a CCW permit, and understand that after a shooting, I'll likely be held to a higher standard.
I had a CDL, and in regards the a DUI, or trying to do to driving school to avoid a ticket, I'd be held to a higher standard.
Cops should not have immunity.
Cops should be trained to de escalate, not just this militarized door kicker shit they've been on for the last 20 years.

I've been pretty consistent on this, most cops aren't bad apples, but most cops will cover for dirty cops, or follow unconstitutional orders from above,
so IMO decent cops won't last on the job, they'll go find honest work.

I disliked law enforcement before it was cool. But don't mistake me for some brainwashed ACAB twit.

Edit: you a cop? Your dad? Seem to have a personal investment

Nah, wasnt directed at you per se. Was intended for the typical anti-establishment cop hating douchebags running around here lately.

Most of what you said I completely agree with. Yeah, cop training is mandatory. We train people in every other industry to perform properly and safely, why would anyone expect different for law enforcement. And I agree that there has been too much repurposing of desert war trained military which moved the needle on how police are expected to act in civilization.

Here is the difference. In the mining industry, for example, the miners are trained for MSHA safety, but true liability lies with the employer, not the guy who goofed and someone died. We want careful, capable and rational people to become cops, then we tell them they are expected to go into confusing and dangerous situations where a split second wrong decision will absolutely send them to jail for the rest of their lives. Well, all those careful, capable and rational folks look at the risk on that and say that a different career looks like a better option. I get all the "they hold lives and freedom in their hands" stuff, and I certainly expect the highest attention and care, but if you order them into life/death situation and hold them personally responsible for failing to act and over reacting, your expectations are unreasonable. Many of these situations on the news are no-win for the cop, no right answer and all wrong answers put you in court defending your own freedom.

It may be a calling to some but it is still just a job to support your family. Why the f would I risk my freedom for a damn job? More and more will realize the same. You cannot recruit good people to do a job with such a high risk, they simply wont take the job.

To answer your question, no, I am not a cop and no cops in my family. My career choice does have specific expectations to protect the public, but, and a big but here, I have adequate time to evaluate the best course of action, AND judgement of my choices are based on comparison to the industry, not what some uneducated mob demands. I look at the pressures, requirements, risks and expectations placed on police officers and I am baffled why anyone would take the job. It is a calling, or no better option are the only two I can think of, and neither would cover it enough for me to seek a law enforcement career. I have a great deal of respect and a great deal of compassion for anyone who agrees to do that job.
 
Continuing to ponder the situation, I realize I left out how this fits the Chauvin, and similar, situations. The real problem we face is not that an error occurred by a cop, but rather the determination of intent. The first determination for a Chauvin situation has to be was his actions intentional or through malice, or the result of purposeful recklessness. If the cop did it on purpose, fine he deserves to go to jail. I am fully behind that. But if that officer is operating out of his best judgement considering the situation and someone dies, then jail isnt the answer. It may be that cop doesnt have the instincts and abilities to be on the street, reassign to a non-high risk occupation (desk work or similar).

We require the evaluation of intent for a wide variety of legal infringements to determine if someone is guilty. Determination of intent should always be the first stop for a cop.

Example, Daunte Wright's shooter. I have absolutely no reason to believe she had any intent to kill that guy. And she has absolutely no business being a street cop, she proved that. How she got that position needs much greater review, ie training and certification program is lacking. But should she spend the rest of her life in jail? She was there to do good, she was trying to do good, she effed up and a guy died. That sucks, but remember, Daunte had his part in that situation and deserves to be responsible for his own actions, he is not blame free either. Sometimes in life, shitty things happen that arent fully attributable to anyone, and crucifying someone just to serve "justice" is just as wrong. The administrative action, or punishment, for that cop is something I do not have the background to properly decide or evaluate. But there are plenty of experienced LE leadership that can do that.

We better find a way away from mob demand justice. The path we are following does not have a good outcome.
 
That’s exactly the point of training, to make split second assessments and decisions like it’s second nature. The rest of civilization doesn’t have that training and isn’t expected to act professionally but cops are. With the power that comes with the job also comes responsibly and risk.

The cop who shot the 16 year old this weekend showed above average situational awareness and reaction. He saved the woman in pinks life and should be commended for it. He showed he operates under pressure at a higher level than most.
In the case of some of these, they weren’t... in the heat of the moment I grabbed my taser instead of my pistol. In cases tike this, the officer had a LONG TIME to reason things out.
 
Continuing to ponder the situation, I realize I left out how this fits the Chauvin, and similar, situations. The real problem we face is not that an error occurred by a cop, but rather the determination of intent. The first determination for a Chauvin situation has to be was his actions intentional or through malice, or the result of purposeful recklessness. If the cop did it on purpose, fine he deserves to go to jail. I am fully behind that. But if that officer is operating out of his best judgement considering the situation and someone dies, then jail isnt the answer. It may be that cop doesnt have the instincts and abilities to be on the street, reassign to a non-high risk occupation (desk work or similar).

We require the evaluation of intent for a wide variety of legal infringements to determine if someone is guilty. Determination of intent should always be the first stop for a cop.

Example, Daunte Wright's shooter. I have absolutely no reason to believe she had any intent to kill that guy. And she has absolutely no business being a street cop, she proved that. How she got that position needs much greater review, ie training and certification program is lacking. But should she spend the rest of her life in jail? She was there to do good, she was trying to do good, she effed up and a guy died. That sucks, but remember, Daunte had his part in that situation and deserves to be responsible for his own actions, he is not blame free either. Sometimes in life, shitty things happen that arent fully attributable to anyone, and crucifying someone just to serve "justice" is just as wrong. The administrative action, or punishment, for that cop is something I do not have the background to properly decide or evaluate. But there are plenty of experienced LE leadership that can do that.

We better find a way away from mob demand justice. The path we are following does not have a good outcome.
Well said.
 
Cops kill twice the amount of whites every year than compared to blacks..........
 
No fucking way I would let my son become a police officer in today's world.
I can’t believe thered are still people doing the job:laughing: maybe if you are in a white majority area but inner city cops are clowns for still holding a badge after chauvin got screwed
 
I can’t believe thered are still people doing the job:laughing: maybe if you are in a white majority area but inner city cops are clowns for still holding a badge after chauvin got screwed
it attracts the people who want to be Billy Bad Ass. It always has, and this drama only adds to the Billy Bad Ass cause.

Do hunters give up the sport when the sport is finally getting exciting?
 
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