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Remember me Asking About Erosion Control and Concrete Cloth?

Lee

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Probably not, but I had a thread at the old place, trying to decide if roll out concrete cloth was the answer to my problem.

I do agricultural runoff, water quality research. We use flumes in open channels to provide a fixed geometry we can measure volume and calculate velocity.

This one wasn't big enough.

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We'd filled that eroded stream bank back in a couple times, added a bunch of sand bags, but eventually we'd have another wash out. I was hoping to use concrete cloth, even hunted down a couple suppliers after asking at the old place. If you'll recall the most of you told me it was a waste of time, and that the real problem was the undersized flume. I knew that, but I was looking for a quick fix.

After thinking on it a while, I decided that y'all were right, as much as I didn't want to spend the money or redo the work, quick fix wasn't the answer. After looking at the flow data we had, and talking to the flume manufacturer, we decided to almost double our flow capacity, and changed the flume design. These things are made to order and take months, then there's the glacially slow university bureaucracy for purchasing things, then on top of all of that was covid. So, about 18 months after deciding to finally replace the flume, we finally did.

Out with the old.
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This should handle all but a Noah level runoff event. We went from 7500 GPM capacity to 14,100 GPM capacity. Also went from a trapezoidal flume to a cutthroat flume. The cutthroat has straight walls, so there shouldn't be anywhere near the amount of pressure increase at the bottom of the entrance to the flume that the trapezoidal had.

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did you ever find something like the concrete cloth... only a lot cheaper?

we have an erosion problem.. that goes at least 200 yards.. water runs down it..
 
Looks like you're somewhere in eastern AR?
 
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What's the application here? Irrigation?

I don't think I've ever seen a metal flume or anything like this for erosion control or storm water management.

I've done plenty of matting from 1' thick articulating block to flexamat to the "fabriform" grout filled mattresses. They all work well in certain applications and kind of what you'd need if that's a long-term installation.
 
Looks a lot better. If it was mine I'd still do away with the plywood and t-posts as the funnel and set in some mafia blocks stacked two high and backfill them with dirt...
 
did you ever find something like the concrete cloth... only a lot cheaper?

we have an erosion problem.. that goes at least 200 yards.. water runs down it..

No, I contacted a 3 or 4 vendors for a particular product and only had one get back in touch with me. All of those notes are on my desk somewhere, and I've only been in my office half a dozen times since we "distanced" for covid.

Looks like you're somewhere in eastern AR?

Yeah, about as far east as you can get and still be in Arkansas. Less than 2 miles from the Mississippi River, as the crow flies, you can easily see the Hwy 49 bridge and grain silos from that spot.

What's the application here? Irrigation?

I don't think I've ever seen a metal flume or anything like this for erosion control or storm water management.

I've done plenty of matting from 1' thick articulating block to flexamat to the "fabriform" grout filled mattresses. They all work well in certain applications and kind of what you'd need if that's a long-term installation.

I explained it better in the original thread at the other place. I study what effect various conservation practices have on nutrient and sediment loss in row crops. We like to just instrument culverts, tiles, and pipes when we can, but we don't have that luxury at every farm. We could just take a bunch of measurements of the ditch's topography, and calculate velocity and volume from its geometry, but it'd only really be accurate for a short time. Streams are always changing, silting in, eroding, the primary channel meandering within the banks of the ditch, etc. The flume provides a constant known geometry, so all we need to know is water depth in the flume, and we can calculate volume and velocity from the depth and flume's geometry.

Looks a lot better. If it was mine I'd still do away with the plywood and t-posts as the funnel and set in some mafia blocks stacked two high and backfill them with dirt...

That might be the next weakest link now, they've held up so far. That's all ground contact 15/32" plywood set in a trench of about 8-10" of concrete, plus the T-posts.

fwiw rubber pond liners work awesome at erosion control

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.
 
I explained it better in the original thread at the other place. I study what effect various conservation practices have on nutrient and sediment loss in row crops. We like to just instrument culverts, tiles, and pipes when we can, but we don't have that luxury at every farm. We could just take a bunch of measurements of the ditch's topography, and calculate velocity and volume from its geometry, but it'd only really be accurate for a short time. Streams are always changing, silting in, eroding, the primary channel meandering within the banks of the ditch, etc. The flume provides a constant known geometry, so all we need to know is water depth in the flume, and we can calculate volume and velocity from the depth and flume's geometry.

Interesting stuff. Fuckin' fluvial geomorphology. (David Rosgen, anyone?)

I work for a civil environmental contractor and we do a good bit of stream and wetland reconstruction, relocation, and off site banking/mitigation, etc. I'm supposed to be going through the rest of Rosgen's classes once he starts doing them again - covid derailed last year's.

Any market for mitigation work in agg? :flipoff2:
 
Photo from the farmer, after today's storm rolled through. New flume's first real test. I'll be back out to investigate Friday.

May need to dig out a little down stream.

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