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barrelroll said:
Wow I missed some updates on this thread.

This mine has started renting all of our surface equipment instead of buying. I believe we have a dealer tech on site every day for support and if it's down for x time they have to drop off a replacement. They got sick of emissions issues costing them money and this was their work around. I think part of the decision was also based on finding people competent enough to troubleshoot the emissions stuff. There's also some sort of accounting advantage as well.

How's the pump working out? I put my packing in dry, a pump engineer told me using patrolium products on the packing fills up all the tiny little cooling passages. He suggested something like dish soap or smooth gojo. They also make a packing install lube, I've never used it. Lubricant for Use With Compression Packing | Garlock

Most of our slurry pumps including our ball mill discharge pump (anything from fine particles to 1/4 that doesn't pass through the ball mill trommel goes through it) have steel impellers. I'll have to do some digging on our life span on them, I know we aren't in them very often. We run some rubber lined impellers though not many.

Our warehouse has a mini telehandler. I love borrowing it, it's handy till you try to do dumb things. You could always throw a hitch on the back and make some sort of work bench/ tool trailer.
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After I made a new wear bushing and increase the size of the packing to 5/8” haven’t had an issue. I just think the 1/2” packing was just too small to work correctly.

This last impeller I got about 11,000 ton of manufactured sand and about the same amount of natural sand through it before it was toast.
 
barrelroll said:
Our warehouse has a mini telehandler. I love borrowing it, it's handy till you try to do dumb things. You could always throw a hitch on the back and make some sort of work bench/ tool trailer.
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Some of the JCBs that were marketed toward farmers have have hydraulic pintles on the rear so you can back up to a trailer, hitch it up and drive away without getting out of the machine.

I think it'd probably be better to do a hydraulic SSQA on it though and just make a bunch of SSQA skids that you can pick up and drop off anywhere you need.
 
bgaidan said:
Some of the JCBs that were marketed toward farmers have have hydraulic pintles on the rear so you can back up to a trailer, hitch it up and drive away without getting out of the machine.

I think it'd probably be better to do a hydraulic SSQA on it though and just make a bunch of SSQA skids that you can pick up and drop off anywhere you need.
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It's easier just to leave them as forked skids, that way you still have the forks that almost always end up needing with you.
 
speed bump said:
It's easier just to leave them as forked skids, that way you still have the forks that almost always end up needing with you.
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True, but as he said, shit tends to bounce off the forks when you're cruising down bumpy haul roads in a pit. At a minimum, he'd want to put safety chains or some other restraining device to hold the skid to the carriage....which means having to get off the machine. And it also means that he'd trust his trained monkeys to actually get off the machine and connect them.
 
bgaidan said:
True, but as he said, shit tends to bounce off the forks when you're cruising down bumpy haul roads in a pit. At a minimum, he'd want to put safety chains or some other restraining device to hold the skid to the carriage....which means having to get off the machine. And it also means that he'd trust his trained monkeys to actually get off the machine and connect them.
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With stake pockets and the mast rolled back? I've lost a reasonable amount of stuff of off forks and seen a lot more lost but I can't think of (m)any times it was with fork pockets.

Other than being able to use skid steer specific attachments I'm not a big fan of SSQA versus a telehandler or IT style quick attach. non SSQA attachments are simpler and don't require hydraulics to latch.
 
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not enough tilt on the forks?
follow the skidsteer manual of operation (reverse down hill)
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Yep. Go down a steep enough slope and even with the forks rolled back, if you start bouncing shit's going flying. No clue where MSHA stands on backing and whatnot, but it'd probably be frowned upon in that situation. The deeper pits I've been in had multiple switchbacks and looong roads leading in. Not gonna want to do that in reverse. I can't remember how deep Panzer's go so it may not be an issue.

speed bump said:
With stake pockets and the mast rolled back? I've lost a reasonable amount of stuff of off forks and seen a lot more lost but I can't think of (m)any times it was with fork pockets.

Other than being able to use skid steer specific attachments I'm not a big fan of SSQA versus a telehandler or IT style quick attach. non SSQA attachments are simpler and don't require hydraulics to latch.
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Yeah....telehandlers get really bouncy on bumpy roads. I've seen lots of shit going shooting off the forks with and without pockets. Worst usually happens when things start bouncing and the operator panic brakes and shoots it off the end. :laughing:


For building custom skits with some type of quick attach, skid steer is by far the cheapest way to go, just because you can buy the weld-on plates for like $100 now....plus they're universal. Most of the telehandler hook and eye types are $$ for weld-on mounts. You don't have to have a hydro SSQA, but if you want it it's easy to just use the aux. hookups to run the latches. More likely for a lazy operator to latch them when he doesn't have to get off the machine.
 
Got a call to go smash a neighbors house tonight. Sad to see it completely destroyed.

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bgaidan said:
Yep. Go down a steep enough slope and even with the forks rolled back, if you start bouncing shit's going flying. No clue where MSHA stands on backing and whatnot, but it'd probably be frowned upon in that situation. The deeper pits I've been in had multiple switchbacks and looong roads leading in. Not gonna want to do that in reverse. I can't remember how deep Panzer's go so it may not be an issue.


Yeah....telehandlers get really bouncy on bumpy roads. I've seen lots of shit going shooting off the forks with and without pockets. Worst usually happens when things start bouncing and the operator panic brakes and shoots it off the end. :laughing:


For building custom skits with some type of quick attach, skid steer is by far the cheapest way to go, just because you can buy the weld-on plates for like $100 now....plus they're universal. Most of the telehandler hook and eye types are $$ for weld-on mounts. You don't have to have a hydro SSQA, but if you want it it's easy to just use the aux. hookups to run the latches. More likely for a lazy operator to latch them when he doesn't have to get off the machine.
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I've spent a fair amount of time on quarry roads that the telehandler would barely crawl up and the only thing we have ever lost with fork pockets was the scrap bin that only goes 2 ft onto the forks. The 5k machines beats the operator enough they don't usually get wild in it. Also if you are going very far for the loads we are talking about I would 100% use a pickup because a telehandler takes forever to tram.

MSHA generally says when moving heavy loads the load should face uphill.

Telehandler mounts are 15 min of work if you have a plasma table at your disposal. Fork pockets are the way to go though, that way anything can move them and you have forks when you get to your destination.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
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After I made a new wear bushing and increase the size of the packing to 5/8” haven’t had an issue. I just think the 1/2” packing was just too small to work correctly.

This last impeller I got about 11,000 ton of manufactured sand and about the same amount of natural sand through it before it was toast.
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Glad to hear it's not a leaker. Our shaft sleeves are stupid hard, like destroy an air chisel when they stuck hard.

Is anyone using piston pumps to move sand? We use skid mounted scwhing bioset pumps to move paste (tailings mixed with cement), they are similar to a truck mounted pump except they have poppet valves instead of a rock valve like a truck mounted pump. Wear life is great though depending on the tonnage they probably wouldn't pencil out.

I want to say our ball mill discharge and cyclone feed pumps pumping slurry out of a ball mill before the oversize has been kicked back to the ball mill are getting 200,000+ tons out of an impeller and liners. They are warman or weir pumps, I can't keep them straight. What size is yours? I can figure out a rough idea on the cost of a rebuild. Parts availability is pretty good and there's some decent non OEM wear parts out there for pretty reasonable.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
No smashed it all into the basement. Fire department wanted in all down there and stirred up to get rid of the hotspots. They were worried about it starting back up and causing a grass fire as it was windy and dry today.
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sucks. I love helping out. but when just doing the gritty to make sure it doesn't get worse isn't a great feeling.

I always thought being a firefighter would be a fun job, till after knowing a few and when my first shop burnt down. no fun.


everyone says you'll be happy after insurance, but that isn't true. I think the only happy people had to have burned it down themselves. and most don't realize the joke insurance is.
 
barrelroll said:
Glad to hear it's not a leaker. Our shaft sleeves are stupid hard, like destroy an air chisel when they stuck hard.

Is anyone using piston pumps to move sand? We use skid mounted scwhing bioset pumps to move paste (tailings mixed with cement), they are similar to a truck mounted pump except they have poppet valves instead of a rock valve like a truck mounted pump. Wear life is great though depending on the tonnage they probably wouldn't pencil out.

I want to say our ball mill discharge and cyclone feed pumps pumping slurry out of a ball mill before the oversize has been kicked back to the ball mill are getting 200,000+ tons out of an impeller and liners. They are warman or weir pumps, I can't keep them straight. What size is yours? I can figure out a rough idea on the cost of a rebuild. Parts availability is pretty good and there's some decent non OEM wear parts out there for pretty reasonable.
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6x8 x18” I believe about 1500 gpm at 1200ish rpm. We are pumping between 100-130 ton per hour of sand in that 1500 gpm. My manufactured sand is crazy abrasive. Like 40-50,000 ton out of a cone liner abrasive.
 
Started working on my scale automation project. 50,000$ sitting there between the 2 boxes. This should cut my paperwork time down drastically every week. Hopefully I can go from 8hrs a week to 2 during the busy season.
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I got about another 10 hours of entering data before we can fire them up. Also need to get the cameras installed. It will take a picture of every load and attach it to the scale ticket. :smokin:

Going to waste a day in a pickup going to look at the w600 and the 988h. I’ll get some pictures today.

The cat guys found a new take off quick coupler for the 349. My machine was coupler ready so all it needs is a few lines on the boom and the coupler itself. :smokin:

We are constantly switching between digging in the shot to digging in the sand. Being able to swap buckets is almost necessary.

Between one more big loader the only other thing I’m on the hunt for is a 4 axle 10’ wide 55 or 60t lowboy. Hopefully I can find one that doesn’t cost 100k+
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
Started working on my scale automation project. 50,000$ sitting there between the 2 boxes. This should cut my paperwork time down drastically every week. Hopefully I can go from 8hrs a week to 2 during the busy season.
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It looks like the kind of thing that will cost $400 in five years. But I suppose it will pay for itself in that time.
 
WaterH said:
It looks like the kind of thing that will cost $400 in five years. But I suppose it will pay for itself in that time.
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I doubt it. It’s the ip that makes it expensive. The hardware not so much. The boxes are actually only 14k each the cost is in the backend/ cell service ect.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
I doubt it. It’s the ip that makes it expensive. The hardware not so much. The boxes are actually only 14k each the cost is in the backend/ cell service ect.
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Yea, that is the new business model. We had to deal with that with cash registers in the restaurant business.
 
lol a buddy called up today and said he bought a service truck for me:lmao::smokin:. It’s supposed to be a square body with a service body that looks right:lmao:. Told him he might as well just have the semi drop it off in my yard because that’s what happens. He is the same guy who got me my suburban and my c10.

It’s good to have friends who like to spend your money for you
 
I think this is the one:smokin:.

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He uses my fil to haul this shit home from all around the country. Some c tech drawers . A new set of wheels and a few inch lower job and this will be perfect.

This will irritate my dad to no end :lmao:.
 
Steve300xcw said:
I still dont understand this 2wd fetish of yours :laughing:
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wtf do I need 4x4 for:lmao:. I don’t get stuck. I hate replacing ujoints on the shitty front axles all the time, dealing with leaky transfer cases ect . 2wd perfect for what I do. When all you drive is 2wd you know where you can go and where you cannot.

Fwiw I off-road more with my 2wd fleet than 90% of the people on this board :lmao:.
 
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Penetrode Offroad said:
No shit, even lowering it to service shit in a rock pile. :homer:

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Says the guy who’s never had to set shit down into the bed of you truck vs it being tit height or higher on the new junk. :lmao:. It’s glorious using the bed on my c10.

The flat carts at homo depot are taller than the bed height of my c10. Just shove the shit off and you’re on your way.
 
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ThePanzerFuhrer said:
wtf do I need 4x4 for:lmao:. I don’t get stuck. I hate replacing ujoints on the shitty front axles all the time, dealing with leaky transfer cases ect . 2wd perfect for what I do. When all you drive is 2wd you know where you can go and where you cannot.

Fwiw I off-road more with my 2wd fleet than 90% of the people on this board :lmao:.
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Its not like you dont have equipment to remove the truck from a stuck spot. IE lifting the whole fucking truck up.
 
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