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Haven't done a copy pasta of news on here before, so here it goes. I'm here waiting for all the freakouts from the hard core blue side that hates nuclear.




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Biden administration will lend $1.5B to restart Michigan nuclear power plant, a first in the US​





The federal government will provide a $1.5 billion loan to restart a nuclear power plant in southwestern Michigan, officials announced Wednesday.
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BY ED WHITE
Updated 4:37 AM CDT, March 28, 2024
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The federal government will provide a $1.5 billion loan to restart a nuclear power plant in southwestern Michigan, officials announced Wednesday.
Holtec International acquired the 800-megawatt Palisades plant in 2022 with plans to dismantle it. But now the emphasis is on restarting it by late 2025, following support from the state of Michigan and the Biden administration.
Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said it would be the first nuclear power plant to be reopened in the U.S. It still faces hurdles, including inspections, testing and the blessing of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, known as the NRC.
“Nuclear power is our single largest source of carbon-free electricity, directly supporting 100,000 jobs across the country and hundreds of thousands more indirectly,” said Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, a former Michigan governor.
The Palisades plant is along Lake Michigan, a two-hour drive from Chicago. A Michigan utility, CMS Energy, owned it from 1971 until the plant was sold to Louisiana-based utility Entergy in 2007. It was shut down in 2022.
Holtec said it has long-term commitments so far from two electric cooperatives to buy power from the plant.






“The repowering of Palisades will restore safe, around-the-clock generation to hundreds of thousands of households, businesses and manufacturers,” said Kris Singh, Holtec president and chief executive.
Critics, however, have emerged. A coalition opposed to restarting what it derisively calls a “zombie reactor” has requested a hearing at the NRC.


Holtec spokesman Patrick O’Brien said it will take four to five months to finalize the financial deal with the government.
“It is a loan we have to pay back,” he said.
Nuclear energy is in the spotlight. Thirty-four countries, including the U.S., last week pledged to use it to reduce reliance on fossil fuels. In California, regulators in December said the Diablo Canyon plant could operate through 2030 instead of 2025 to guard against blackouts as the state shifts toward renewable power sources. Owner Pacific Gas & Electric said federal aid helped it repay a state loan.
“There is more enthusiasm toward nuclear power — in Congress, in the industry and also internationally,” said Najmedin Meshkati, an engineering professor at the University of Southern California who has inspected nuclear plants around the world.
But restarting a plant, he said, is not easy.
“It puts the onus and burden on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and Holtec to double down on efforts to make sure this plant is safe enough and all the safety measures are intact,” Meshkati said of Palisades.
 
1.5 billion? seems like a lot of millions for something not being built from scratch.

Before the "OMG its NUKULAR! gots to buckle ever T and stamp ever I" jumps in, I am very well aware of the risks, requirements and efforts that go into a project like this. The fed gov fee multiplier is just way outta hand. I see it on way too many other projects the fed gov funds around the globe. Part of it is overblown govt requirements, part of it is fee expansion by the contractor to fulfill the govt bullchit, part is gov paying permits/reviews/whatever that gov people do. Self funding existing govt arms. The bloat is ridiculous. To the point that I stand on a jobsite or a meeting, and am revolted as a citizen taxpayer on the about of absolute fukkin waste of money that just gets blown for no reason or benefit to anyone other than the gov project manager who boasts about the dollars of contracts under his authority. That gov guy typically has no skillz of any sort and peter principled himself several rungs too high on the ladder simply cause the good people bugged out to private industry and the chattel kept getting promoted.
 
I was an employee of the previous owner of that plant. It was the only plant in the northeast fleet that I never went to work at. Always heard that it was the dirtiest and the shared resources we got for shutdowns were the least talented.

Glad to see an effort is being made to save nuclear albeit too late.
 
While I am not super happy about shoveling taxpayer dollars at everything, this seems (seems!) to be a good thing. Properly done, nuke energy is clean and awesome. People worry about sudden catastrophic effects of nuclear plants, but don't bat an eye at raping a place for minerals, processing them, burning bunker oil to get them here from overseas, a short shelf life, and then having to dispose of tons and tons and tons of "green" stuff. Be it batteries or solar panels.
 
This is good news.
one of our downfalls domestically with our nuke power is that not one of the power plants are designed the same.
France has many plants and once the design was settled , they did a repeat on most of them , this allows operators , maintenance and parts to be standardized.

yeah I know ...fuck France , but this makes sense.
 
Rumor has it NY asked if Indian Point could be restarted after the .gov figured out that decommissioning it made NYC’s carbon footprint grow by 30% and to meet unrealistic renewable goals.

Containment had already been irreparably cut to remove equipment.
 
So solar and wind are given money and nuclear only gets a loan? This seems like a reluctant concession from the gov.

the interesting part is MOST of the far lefties (except the real enviro nazis that think we should live in a mud hut and be vegan) and all of the conservatives actually agree on one thing and that's nuclear is the way to cheap energy. solar panel farms are destroying the country side and windmills are failing and are awful. everyone knows that.

nuclear is our only way.
 
the interesting part is MOST of the far lefties (except the real enviro nazis that think we should live in a mud hut and be vegan) and all of the conservatives actually agree on one thing and that's nuclear is the way to cheap energy. solar panel farms are destroying the country side and windmills are failing and are awful. everyone knows that.

nuclear is our only way.
There's a whole generation of shitbirds who were indoctrinated on Sierra Club and Greenpeace type environmentalism and think nuclear is bad. They need to die before progress happens.
 
Just saying, I'm ALL IN for nuclear power.
The three last remaining nuclear power plants in Germany were taken offline on 15 April 2023. The Atomausstieg's finalstep marked the end of a process that had been prepared for over two decades and involved almost all of Germany's main political parties
 
the interesting part is MOST of the far lefties (except the real enviro nazis that think we should live in a mud hut and be vegan) and all of the conservatives actually agree on one thing and that's nuclear is the way to cheap energy. solar panel farms are destroying the country side and windmills are failing and are awful. everyone knows that.

nuclear is our only way.
Nuclear industry does a horrible job marketing itself.. It is without a doubt the most viable method of producing "clean" power that we have available. The public is terrified of it because of Chernobyl and Fukushima. If the industry would take the time to explain itself and educate the public it would go a long way in my humble opinion...
 
Ex nuke here. Glad it's happening. finally starting to come around. Now get some new plants in to works or upgrade and get the shuttered ones back online.

Updating, upgrading and rebuilding the current plants is the best move. The people are already aware of the issues and ok with their existence.
 
Ex nuke here. Glad it's happening. finally starting to come around. Now get some new plants in to works or upgrade and get the shuttered ones back online.

Updating, upgrading and rebuilding the current plants is the best move. The people are already aware of the issues and ok with their existence.

they are building some that started under Donald. i have been told they will take 10-12 years to complete.
 
Nuclear industry does a horrible job marketing itself.. It is without a doubt the most viable method of producing "clean" power that we have available. The public is terrified of it because of Chernobyl and Fukushima. If the industry would take the time to explain itself and educate the public it would go a long way in my humble opinion...
Let’s not forget the movie China Syndrome that completely over blew the risks of nuclear. The reporting on 3 mile island was a combined hit piece also.
 
1.5 billion? seems like a lot of millions for something not being built from scratch.
Economy of scales. PG&E's Diablo Canyon site with both Units, was originally estimated to cost $689 million in 1968. When it finally got approved and entered into the Rate Base in 1985, it was valued at $5.1 Billion.

Recently anti-nuke groups wanted PG&E to abandon the Tertiary sea water cooling system and retrofit it with another new cooling system. That estimate came out at $13 billion for the retrofit alone :eek:. That's why PG&E said fawk it, and agreed to shut the plant down at the end of its operating license in 2025 & 2026. Gov Brylcreme saw the writing on the wall on power shortfalls due to this generation loss, and rallied PG&E to keep it operating....
 
Ex nuke here. Glad it's happening. finally starting to come around. Now get some new plants in to works or upgrade and get the shuttered ones back online.

Updating, upgrading and rebuilding the current plants is the best move. The people are already aware of the issues and ok with their existence.
Georgia Power just brougjt Vogtle Unit 4 online in March. Step in the right direction...
 
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