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speed bump said:
Having worked around radiation and a variety of other kill you dead right now substances I'm wondering what is harder to detect and kills you dead more effectively than radiation? Definitely a lot of nasty shit out there but I still can't think of a place where the precautions get taken more seriously than Radiation.
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In an occupational setting where it's concentrated I'd be more worried about radiation because you can't wash it off of you like you can chemicals.

When it comes to contaminating areas (Chernobyl type shit) I'm more worried about chemicals and heavy metals. Think about all the times that someone dumped shit or some shit that was disposed of decades ago started leeching and it was only when the kids started being born with three hands and the livestock started keeling over it got looked into and the problem was found. That doesn't happen with radiation because contaminated stuff broadcasts its existence and how contaminated it is.
 
Hydromaster said:
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The greenies have been fighting and slowing down the construction of a gas power plant in Laurel, Montana for a while now.

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You sure its not the nearby Lodge grumping about "eyesore" and folks nearby that had an oil pipeline that broke polluting the Yellowstone about a decade ago instead or possibly because Northwest Energy doesn't do maintenance for cost reasons?

Fact is that the oil/gas industry has a bit of a black sheep persona in MT because they dont maintain the lines that already exist. Thats why the one going across the Blackfoot res was shut down and the oil is transshipped to Missoula via rail now. Ditto the line that went across the Yellowstone that eroded thru and polluted the river. The river is still recovering after that debacle...

Northwest was responsible for the gas pipeline failure in 2009 in Bozeman that destroyed a full city block and killed a coworkers wife, fire wasnt put out in the area until NW found the maps where the shoutoff valves were which cut of all gass feed to the entire downtown area...they had to reimbures those affected biz plus pay off the coworker. That and they are now seriously evaluated by the state and city any time they ask for city permits.
 
arse_sidewards said:
In an occupational setting where it's concentrated I'd be more worried about radiation because you can't wash it off of you like you can chemicals.
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Is lead a chemical(Pb, element, but still a toxin ) that can be washed off once it is ingested or absorbed like so many other elements?
 
BUCKLAND said:
Is lead a chemical(Pb, element, but still a toxin ) that can be washed off once it is ingested or absorbed like so many other elements?
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Would you rather get hit in the face with a bunch of lead dust when something you're doing at work fucks off or a bunch of radioactive dust when something fucks off?

Would Flint Michigan's problems have gone undetected as long as they did if the water was radioactive?

Yeah at some point it becomes a distinction without a difference depending on what toxins you work with and in what concentration.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Would you rather get hit in the face with a bunch of lead dust when something you're doing at work fucks off or a bunch of radioactive dust when something fucks off?
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Provide the class with an example of both scenarios that you have personally encountered.

I’ll wait:lmao:
 
Tiha said:
Dude you are on it.

I have always been fascinated with Chernobyl because of something that you can't see, smell, or maybe taste will kill you.
Of course I was in high school when this happened as well.

The biggest killer was fear. They thought they knew, when in reality they didn't and don't know the affects of those types of radiation on humans.

There are reports of hundreds of thousands of deaths and birth defects and there are reports of people who were on the roof top that are alive and well and living today with no health issues.

Read about a doctor in Israel I think, he claimed he was there and he is still in touch with many of the people there during that event.

The HBO series if fun to watch but they definitely took some leaps.
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They claim the three "divers" who went in to drain the bubbler tanks are still alive and well too. Chernobyl is the boogeyman for the anti nuclear crowd.

I think it spawned a pretty legit video game series:laughing:
 
arse_sidewards said:
In an occupational setting where it's concentrated I'd be more worried about radiation because you can't wash it off of you like you can chemicals.

When it comes to contaminating areas (Chernobyl type shit) I'm more worried about chemicals and heavy metals. Think about all the times that someone dumped shit or some shit that was disposed of decades ago started leeching and it was only when the kids started being born with three hands and the livestock started keeling over it got looked into and the problem was found. That doesn't happen with radiation because contaminated stuff broadcasts its existence and how contaminated it is.
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Eh, I live in one the shadow of one of the biggest Superfund sites in the US and about a dozen sites are within an hour of me. I also live a couple hours north of where they discovered that your basement is full of radiation that gives you lung cancer. All the heavy metals and various kill you stuff in the soil may eventually kill you but as long as your not disturbing them you are typically fine, radiation tends to not care whether or not you disturb it and if you have no reason to look you don't realize how much exposure you had until you're puking and you're hair is falling out.

The flint Michigan example is a bunch of people who should be jailed for negligence. If you didn't know you had unacceptable levels of lead in your municipal drinking water this century it's because you willfully ignored it.
 
Radiation comes in all three flavors: solid, liquid, gas.
 
speed bump said:
Eh, I live in one the shadow of one of the biggest Superfund sites in the US and about a dozen sites are within an hour of me. I also live a couple hours north of where they discovered that your basement is full of radiation that gives you lung cancer. All the heavy metals and various kill you stuff in the soil may eventually kill you but as long as your not disturbing them you are typically fine, radiation tends to not care whether or not you disturb it
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Yeah, there's tradeoffs both ways. Radiation is so easily measurable though I'd personally rather deal with it.

speed bump said:
and if you have no reason to look you don't realize how much exposure you had until you're puking and you're hair is falling out.
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Yeah but that's also true when you spend a decade eating tomatoes grown in garden soil full of cadmium or some absurd miracle molecule dupont cooked up. :laughing:


speed bump said:
The flint Michigan example is a bunch of people who should be jailed for negligence. If you didn't know you had unacceptable levels of lead in your municipal drinking water this century it's because you willfully ignored it.
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That's absolutely true but if not lead it could have easily been some random heavy metal. Tons of watersheds and aquifers have been fucked over the years by random shit from factories or storage/waste pits and whatnot.

Point was nobody knew until they went looking. I think that's much less likely with radiation since it would have set off some alarm somewhere.

BUCKLAND said:
Provide the class with an example of both scenarios that you have personally encountered.

I’ll wait:lmao:
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You're dodging the question because there isn't a cut and clear answer that fits your narrative.
 
speed bump said:
The flint Michigan example is a bunch of people who should be jailed for negligence. If you didn't know you had unacceptable levels of lead in your municipal drinking water this century it's because you willfully ignored it.
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Technically, Flint was fine until they switched water sources and changed the PH of the municipal water, causing the lead to start leaching out of the pipes.
 
ApeEater said:
Technically, Flint was fine until they switched water sources and changed the PH of the municipal water, causing the lead to start leaching out of the pipes.
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And the city council knew that would happen, but they were too cheap to add whatever chemical that would have prevented it.
 
Years ago Popular Mechanics had an article about self contained nukes that could fit on a semi trailer and power a city of 500,000 for like 30 years without much intervention. What ever happened to that idea?
 
Lumberjack said:
Years ago Popular Mechanics had an article about self contained nukes that could fit on a semi trailer and power a city of 500,000 for like 30 years without much intervention. What ever happened to that idea?
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You put articles in magazines because most writers are too clueless to question what you are telling them and you are selling something. So physics probably intervened on that idea.
 
JD Mark said:
And the city council knew that would happen, but they were too cheap to add whatever chemical that would have prevented it.
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The council sat on their hands long enough that they got replaced by the state government, who changed the source anyway.
 
Lumberjack said:
Years ago Popular Mechanics had an article about self contained nukes that could fit on a semi trailer and power a city of 500,000 for like 30 years without much intervention. What ever happened to that idea?
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I still want the flying car they promised
 
arse_sidewards said:
Yeah, there's tradeoffs both ways. Radiation is so easily measurable though I'd personally rather deal with it.


Yeah but that's also true when you spend a decade eating tomatoes grown in garden soil full of cadmium or some absurd miracle molecule dupont cooked up. :laughing:



That's absolutely true but if not lead it could have easily been some random heavy metal. Tons of watersheds and aquifers have been fucked over the years by random shit from factories or storage/waste pits and whatnot.

Point was nobody knew until they went looking. I think that's much less likely with radiation since it would have set off some alarm somewhere.


You're dodging the question because there isn't a cut and clear answer that fits your narrative.
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Not dodging a question, you provided examples of two undesirable events. I’m asking you for your self proclaimed knowledge of which is worse.

Go on and tell the class which was more detrimental to you.
 
BUCKLAND said:
Not dodging a question, you provided examples of two undesirable events. I’m asking you for your self proclaimed knowledge of which is worse.

Go on and tell the class which was more detrimental to you.
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You're focusing on the method of contamination on purpose to miss the point which is that radiation doesn't just come off after you've got whatever it is that contaminated you off, unlike most chemicals one could come in contact with.

Anyway, I think I was spot on with the small minded townie judgement. I hope you steam burn yourself into the ER next sap season.
 
arse_sidewards said:
You're focusing on the method of contamination on purpose to miss the point which is that radiation doesn't just come off after you've got whatever it is that contaminated you off, unlike most chemicals one could come in contact with.

Anyway, I think I was spot on with the small minded townie judgement. I hope you steam burn yourself into the ER next sap season.
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Wow, you are incredibly stupid. Thank you for telling the class that radiation doesn’t just come off.

Tell me, have you spent much time out of Wu Town?
 
I don’t know shit about lead particles, or radioactive particles, all I can say is… If the radioactive paint chips are as good as the lead paint chips I was eating in the 80’s …. I’m fucking IN!!!!
 
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