NPT Dies

[Roc Doc]

wtf

send me your neighbor's landscapers
I need them in my life for a few years

My house is on 1.5 acres and it's mostly native vegetation with some trees and cactus added. The creosote that grows above my leach field is easily 50% taller than the stuff in open desert. I had him come in with a helper and for $400 they worked 6 hours on a Saturday, and hauled away a full 24' landscape trailer full of vegetation. I've got him coming back to do another 1/3 of the property in a couple weeks, same thing $400. Now it's cash, so that's more like $600 if he was paying payroll taxes, etc., but I DGAF, he's a good guy, got his citizenship and works hard, I hope he ends up with a company running 40 trucks and fuck the .gov.

 

[[486]]

My house is on 1.5 acres and it's mostly native vegetation with some trees and cactus added. The creosote that grows above my leach field is easily 50% taller than the stuff in open desert. I had him come in with a helper and for $400 they worked 6 hours on a Saturday, and hauled away a full 24' landscape trailer full of vegetation. I've got him coming back to do another 1/3 of the property in a couple weeks, same thing $400. Now it's cash, so that's more like $600 if he was paying payroll taxes, etc., but I DGAF, he's a good guy, got his citizenship and works hard, I hope he ends up with a company running 40 trucks and fuck the .gov.

there is nothing more american than that

 

[subybaja]

RIP NPT, you will be missed.

That was the first thing I thought...

 

[Roc Doc]

there is nothing more american than that

Contrary to what some people think, PHX and AZ in general has very little in the way of gang problems, or high crime. Sure there are poor areas, but they're working poor, not standing on the street corner slinging crack poor. We also have a homeless problem like any other city, but it's fairly localized as in non-existant where I live. During all the Antifa bullshit, someone parked an old POS Grand Prix on the corner where you usually see cars for sale, but this one had BLM written in white shoe polish on the windshield. The next morning when I drove past, it had a single bullet hole in the windshield and was gone by the time I came back home. I know everyone on my street, and the women folk stay in touch via group txt, which is great because that means I don't have to be involved in it.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Contrary to what some people think, PHX and AZ in general has very little in the way of gang problems, or high crime. Sure there are poor areas, but they're working poor, not standing on the street corner slinging crack poor. We also have a homeless problem like any other city, but it's fairly localized as in non-existant where I live. During all the Antifa bullshit, someone parked an old POS Grand Prix on the corner where you usually see cars for sale, but this one had BLM written in white shoe polish on the windshield. The next morning when I drove past, it had a single bullet hole in the windshield and was gone by the time I came back home. I know everyone on my street, and the women folk stay in touch via group txt, which is great because that means I don't have to be involved in it.

You're comparing AZ to California. Compare it to Appalachia.

I'm sure PHX is much better than "bad" cities like Baltimore, Detroit, whatever. But I think it says a lot about the baseline level of crime it y'all are casually vandalizing cars over political slogans even if they're disagreeable ones. That's like what you'd expect parking a truck with a Trump flag in Newark.

 

[Roc Doc]

You're comparing AZ to California. Compare it to Appalachia.

Frankly I think it says a lot about the baseline level of crime it y'all are vandalizing cars because you don't like what's written on them.

Oh, look no AZ cities in the top 100, (character limit wouldn't allow the full list, but you can see for yourself, FBI statts).

City Rank (Violent Crimes)	City	State	Population	Violent Crimes	Property Crimes	Violent Crimes	Property Crimes	Property Crimes	Total Crimes	Total Crimes
			2021	2021	2021	Per 1000	Per 1000	City Rank	City Rank	Per day
1	Memphis	Tennessee	649,444	3,449	7,934	5.31	12.22	9	4	31.19
2	Detroit	Michigan	673,708	3,186	4,748	4.73	7.05	64	26	21.74
3	South Bend	Indiana	101,936	429	795	4.21	7.8	50	24	3.35
4	Little Rock	Arkansas	198,260	821	2,340	4.14	11.8	11	6	8.66
5	Cleveland	Ohio	379,313	1,422	3,377	3.75	8.9	29	18	13.15
6	Milwaukee	Wisconsin	593,337	2,085	4,672	3.51	7.87	46	29	18.51
7	Lansing	Michigan	117,865	375	639	3.18	5.42	93	61	2.78
8	Chattanooga	Tennessee	186,222	581	2,734	3.12	14.68	3	3	9.08
9	Kansas City	Missouri	500,965	1,557	4,896	3.11	9.77	24	16	17.68
10	Houston	Texas	2,339,252	6,868	23,006	2.94	9.83	23	17	81.85
11	Rockford	Illinois	144,027	412	796	2.86	5.53	90	63	3.31
12	Springfield	Missouri	168,988	480	2,920	2.84	17.28	2	1	9.32
13	Wichita	Kansas	392,643	1,088	4,515	2.77	11.5	13	11	15.35
14	Winston-Salem	North Carolina	249,998	647	2,416	2.59	9.66	26	21	8.39
15	Beaumont	Texas	115,290	286	780	2.48	6.77	67	50	2.92
16	Tulsa	Oklahoma	404,255	997	4,986	2.47	12.33	8	10	16.39
17	Nashville	Tennessee	690,553	1,702	5,577	2.46	8.08	42	34	19.94
18	Aurora	Colorado	393,897	944	4,139	2.4	10.51	18	15	13.93
19	Pueblo	Colorado	113,371	257	1,441	2.27	12.71	7	9	4.65
20	Dayton	Ohio	139,671	307	1,147	2.2	8.21	39	36	3.98
21	Minneapolis	Minnesota	438,463	952	3,833	2.17	8.74	31	33	13.11
22	Lubbock	Texas	265,990	578	2,352	2.17	8.84	30	32	8.03
23	Billings	Montana	110,274	237	1,257	2.15	11.4	14	13	4.09
24	Atlanta	Georgia	521,274	1,110	4,998	2.13	9.59	27	28	16.73
25	Corpus Christi	Texas	329,538	686	2,635	2.08	8	43	37	9.1
26	Tacoma	Washington	222,235	459	3,135	2.07	14.11	4	5	9.85
27	Grand Rapids	Michigan	201,280	410	1,157	2.04	5.75	87	73	4.29
28	Dallas	Texas	1,349,185	2,729	10,588	2.02	7.85	48	39	36.48
29	Salt Lake City	Utah	205,929	415	3,685	2.02	17.89	1	2	11.23
30	Denver	Colorado	740,209	1,455	10,276	1.97	13.88	5	7	32.14
31	Buffalo	New York	253,809	488	1,791	1.92	7.06	63	55	6.24
32	Fayetteville	North Carolina	212,047	404	1,343	1.91	6.33	74	65	4.79
33	Toledo	Ohio	269,941	506	1,657	1.87	6.14	77	70	5.93
34	Springfield	Illinois	113,331	212	844	1.87	7.45	56	48	2.89
35	Knoxville	Tennessee	191,463	351	1,800	1.83	9.4	28	30	5.89
36	Columbia	South Carolina	132,255	241	1,384	1.82	10.46	19	20	4.45
37	Evansville	Indiana	118,240	213	903	1.8	7.64	54	45	3.06
38	Norfolk	Virginia	242,488	431	1,551	1.78	6.4	71	66	5.43
39	Charlotte-Mecklenburg	North Carolina	956,282	1,678	6,867	1.75	7.18	62	58	23.41
40	St. Paul	Minnesota	309,957	543	3,133	1.75	10.11	22	25	10.07
41	Greensboro	North Carolina	300,865	513	2,435	1.71	8.09	41	41	8.08
42	Lakewood	Colorado	158,977	268	2,207	1.69	13.88	6	8	6.78
43	Cincinnati	Ohio	305,308	510	2,381	1.67	7.8	51	44	7.92
44	Independence	Missouri	116,761	189	1,185	1.62	10.15	21	27	3.76
45	Durham	North Carolina	291,962	460	2,294	1.58	7.86	47	46	7.55
46	Portland	Oregon	664,350	1,034	8,090	1.56	12.18	10	12	25
47	Pasadena	Texas	149,428	232	955	1.55	6.39	72	71	3.25
48	Spokane	Washington	223,344	342	2,421	1.53	10.84	17	19	7.57
49	San Antonio	Texas	1,592,693	2,371	13,289	1.49	8.34	36	40	42.9
50	Killeen	Texas	156,741	234	586	1.49	3.74	135	119	2.25
51	Seattle	Washington	787,749	1,164	9,146	1.48	11.61	12	14	28.25

 

[arse_sidewards]

I think that's enough derail.

I'd be happy to continue this conversation elsewhere.

 

[[486]]

I think that's enough derail.

I'd be happy to continue this conversation elsewhere.

can't derail your own thread, loser

 

[arse_sidewards]

Fine then.

The crime rate in the worst cities in your state is completely irrelevant unless you happen to live in on of them. Miami don't mean jack shit to some guy in the panhandle.

It's the baseline amount of crime that affects you.

Detroit don't mean jack shit to some guy in the UP

A low crime rate in Tuscon don't mean shit when you come home and catch some tweakers in the middle of stealing shit from your rural property.

Like I said, it speaks volumes that someone in a "nice" area just took a potshot at a car because they didn't like what was written on it. That's some grade A hood rat behavior.

There's a reason that the southewest IBB members have a near monopoly on wild crime stories and encounters with those types of people and it ain't because they all live in Oakland.

With the amount of time you spend away from your concrete swamp castle your skid steer would be moving dirt in Mexico if you lived in the southwest.

 

[[486]]

The crime rate in the worst cities in your state is completely irrelevant unless you happen to live in on of them. Miami don't mean jack shit to some guy in the panhandle.

the creep in acceptable norms tends to only grow and spread

look at what enclaves vt and nh used to be
then sentiments grew from outside and bled inward

the same thing happens out west of the applelaitchens (fuck you lol) but it is inverted where the enclaves grow outward in the opposite direction
over there in the east basically everyone's been drowning in socialism since the population density reached levels enough to push the individualists westward

same as what's now happening in california really, the mold grew from the cities, consumed the area and there's now a selection/purge going on
much like how retards complain about talent drain from shitty areas, because everyone with a developed skillset moves to where the money is. Everyone with an independent mindset moves away from the regulation (and ends up bringing the regulation with them like a TP streamer).

 

[arse_sidewards]

the creep in acceptable norms tends to only grow and spread

look at what enclaves vt and nh used to be
then sentiments grew from outside and bled inward

the same thing happens out west of the applelaitchens (fuck you lol) but it is inverted where the enclaves grow outward in the opposite direction
over there in the east basically everyone's been drowning in socialism since the population density reached levels enough to push the individualists westward

You need to be more specific. I have no idea WTF you're actually trying to say here except in the most vague sense. Also, what kind of timeline are we talking about here. This is a multi-hundred year old cultural problem. I lay a lot of blame at the feet of the christian church doing dumb shit that barely made sense in a pre-industrial economy and sure as shit doesn't now.

same as what's now happening in california really, the mold grew from the cities, consumed the area and there's now a selection/purge going on
much like how retards complain about talent drain from shitty areas, because everyone with a developed skillset moves to where the money is. Everyone with an independent mindset moves away from the regulation (and ends up bringing the regulation with them like a TP streamer).

The implied thoroughness of the language you're using is entirely inappropriate for an effect that mostly happens at the margins but compounds over time.

 

[[486]]

You need to be more specific. I have no idea WTF you're actually trying to say here except in the most vague sense. Also, what kind of timeline are we talking about here. This is a multi-hundred year old cultural problem. I lay a lot of blame at the feet of the christian church doing dumb shit that barely made sense in a pre-industrial economy and sure as shit doesn't now.

population density reduces freedom
those fleeing reduced freedom means the change becomes more pronounced

you're saying that crime doesn't exist outside of midwestern cities
I'm saying that the culture which leads to an explosion in crime rates already exists and only grows (alongside the population density)

 

[[486]]

oh this is shop and tools
lol now I understand

 

[IowaOffRoad]

I lay a lot of blame at the feet of the christian church doing dumb shit that barely made sense in a pre-industrial economy and sure as shit doesn't now. .

Examples? I'd reckon in modern society, with the reduction in church attendance, reduction in religious participation in society, and the demand for secular people for the government to provide by force the things that the church used to provide voluntarily that it's the opposite problem.

I get it, the further east (europe and asia) you go it's a more 'pre-reformation' mindset where the church is the government. That has not for a long time been the relationship in the west (western europe and N. America).

Prior to Constantine the Christian church was anti-government authority (Bishop of Milan is who set that precedent if you'd like to know). The late Roman empire co-opted the church, but with the disintegration of the western Roman Empire the Church provided, mostly voluntarily (yes, there are many middle-ages examples to the contrary) an alternative to the government of the day. Post reformation and counter-reformation the western Christian Churches including the Roman Catholic Church was always a third column. Again, voluntarily, not coerced (except by social pressure). In North America that has been the rule for hundreds of years.

Caring for the sick and poor isn't dumb shit. Using the Government Gun to force everyone to inefficiently care for the sick and poor is dumb. Using the Government Gun to enforce morality vs. cultural pressure in most cases is also dumb.

Go look around the world in history over the last 200 years or so.
More (post-reformation western) religion=less government
Less (post-reformation western) religion=more government
Please find examples to the contrary, but make sure to note the ratio between those contrary examples vs. the ones that prove the thesis.

What were we talking about again?

Oh right, tools...

 

[Roc Doc]

You need to be more specific. I have no idea WTF you're actually trying to say here except in the most vague sense. Also, what kind of timeline are we talking about here. This is a multi-hundred year old cultural problem. I lay a lot of blame at the feet of the christian church doing dumb shit that barely made sense in a pre-industrial economy and sure as shit doesn't now.



The implied thoroughness of the language you're using is entirely inappropriate for an effect that mostly happens at the margins but compounds over time.

Fucking cubicle camper blaming everyone. Let's see if I have them all;

Boomers
Toyota owners
Firemen
Any LEO
The Christian Church
Mexicans/Hispanics/Latinos/whatever
Detroit citizens

 

[arse_sidewards]

population density reduces freedom
those fleeing reduced freedom means the change becomes more pronounced

Below whatever combination of population density and wealth results in a proactive roving police force and enforcement bureaucracy there is relatively little difference from place to place because everything is complaint driven so you really don't get any practical increase in freedom beyond what you get from getting rural enough that yours business on your own property isn't readily apparent to all that many parties.

Discussions about what is or isn't taxed and discussions about crime rate notwithstanding you are in practice no more free in some random Methville in North Dakota than you are in an equivalent Methville in the deep south. It all comes down to who if anyone is bothered by you and their ability to get other people, either the .gov or otherwise to fuck with you. Below a certain density depending on your lifestyle the answer is probably going to be nobody..

you're saying that crime doesn't exist outside of midwestern cities
I'm saying that the culture which leads to an explosion in crime rates already exists and only grows (alongside the population density)

I'm saying the "crime floor" is a lower amount of crime in the northeast and Midwest than it is out west.

What you "lose" in not being able to hire illegals to dig cheap trenches and having to pretend to have a compliant septic system (or whatever) when the municipality asks you make back in not having your skid steer wind up in Mexico (or getting your car shot because someone didn't like your bumper sticker, not that you're the kind of person who has bumper stickers).

As an aside, it is objectively hilarious that casual vandalism (albeit applied to people we don't like) was trotted out as though it somehow represented tranquil small town life.

<wall of text> Using the Government Gun to enforce morality vs. cultural pressure in most cases is also dumb. <wall of text>

Problem is that over the past 200yr the country has been on a steadily increasing "use the .gov to enforce the morals of the minute" binge. Most of the garbage laws on the east coast date back to a bunch of waspy protestants in 1820, 1920, pick any fucking decade of any century, trying to make life hard for anyone who wasn't either rich or didn't share their values/religion/morals. If anything the recent bullshittery wherein every mainstream power center has started pushing woke garbage is the first real break from this we've had in a hell of a long time (i.e. the morals have changed but not the means or motivation).

Fucking cubicle camper blaming everyone. Let's see if I have them all;

Boomers
Toyota owners
Firemen
Any LEO
The Christian Church
Mexicans/Hispanics/Latinos/whatever
Detroit citizens

You're just pissy because you're at the intersection of half those groups.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

World according to arse_sidewards :

Everything sucks
It always has sucked
There is no remedy
There is no hope
as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.
Amen

Are you evangelical '90's Limp Bizkit?

 

[SomeGuyFromOlympia]

....and that is how you use NPT Dies

back to you

 

[speed bump]

I wasn't talking about the concrete crew. That's a given.

I was talking about the daily reality of existing in the southwest quarter of the country.

It's like detroit but with lower population density and fairer skin.

Pay attention to who's doing most of the talking whenever the topic of property crime and low level violent crime (robbery and whatnot) comes up. There's a pattern to where they're all from. And pay attention to who's saying they don't need to lock their doors because they live in BFE and where those people are from.

Never had any problems with Mexicans that do work. They show up, work hard, and generally make sure there isnt trouble. Shit my BIL in Tuscon loved hiring them because they police their own, somebody got out of line and they took care of it way faster than he could through appropriate means.

Definitely confused as to why someone would use galvanized in a hydrocarbon feeding situation though.

 

[M92PV4U]

Definitely confused as to why someone would use galvanized in a hydrocarbon feeding situation though.

Why?