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North American Beer. Who does it best?

North American Beer. Who does it best?

  • Canada

    Votes: 9 22.0%

  • USA

    Votes: 22 53.7%

  • Mexico

    Votes: 3 7.3%

  • Bacon

    Votes: 7 17.1%
  • Total voters
    41
There's not really a contest here, why don't you ask who does border hopping face-peelers best or who does intersectional crippled transvestites better, everyone knows that's Mexico and Canada respectively.
 
Belgium, Holland, Germany, basically European beer.
 
PAE said:
Belgium, Holland, Germany, basically European beer.
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Germany really doesn't have a lot of good beer. The beer they do have is ok.

I've had a lot of regional Belgians, just not in Belgium, but in France and Holland, and the US has surpassed Belgium probably around 2003 or so. Belgium is known for regionals, and the US is so much larger than Belgium it's basically impossible for them to be better. They are great though.

Holland is not really in the running except for the part of Holland that is really Belgium.

Other countries in Europe are getting on the craft brew train but they're so far behind and so small, no single country will ever catch up to the US.
 
evernoob said:
Germany really doesn't have a lot of good beer. The beer they do have is ok.

I've had a lot of regional Belgians, just not in Belgium, but in France and Holland, and the US has surpassed Belgium probably around 2003 or so. Belgium is known for regionals, and the US is so much larger than Belgium it's basically impossible for them to be better. They are great though.

Holland is not really in the running except for the part of Holland that is really Belgium.

Other countries in Europe are getting on the craft brew train but they're so far behind and so small, no single country will ever catch up to the US.
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I would take a good, quality, german beer brewed per the purity law over the over hopped bullshit the craft brewers here are spitting out.
 
Slander said:
I would take a good, quality, german beer brewed per the purity law over the over hopped bullshit the craft brewers here are spitting out.
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Yes, a lot of craft brewers are just mailing it in, but that doesn't change the fact that the sheer density of them means that so many are good, the US has an endless variety of top-quality regionals.

Maybe you're suffering from 'muh Yurup' syndrome.

Or else you are sadly deprived of good regional craft breweries? There's a ton around here. I suspect that's the case if you think the US only does over-hopped beer. My local is in a small town and they do both a lager and a pilsner, both fantastic. Plus you said 'muh purity law' which is centuries old and not really relevant. That's like 1988's argument.

German brewers have been itching to change it and in fact I think some have gotten 'easements' because Germany is falling so far behind.
 
KarlVP said:
I heard that they absolutely do not support motorized recreation. I don't know this to be true, I "heard it around the campfire".
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Huh......

I heard they donate millions a year for under privileged youth to get access to hookers and blow. Heard it from my friend's cousins neighbor. I'm hoping it's true
 
Add said:
Huh......

I heard they donate millions a year for under privileged youth to get access to hookers and blow. Heard it from my friend's cousins neighbor. I'm hoping it's true
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I guess I found myself educated today.
 
At lest bacon was an option as bacon is the best selection. You can't go wrong with bacon...

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Canada for macrobrews mostly, but even Europe can't touch the US for microbrews anymore. Though I'm sure this economy shutdown bullshit is going to kill off a significant portion of that industry.
 
Motorcharge said:
Canada for macrobrews mostly, but even Europe can't touch the US for microbrews anymore. Though I'm sure this economy shutdown bullshit is going to kill off a significant portion of that industry.
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That's why portland is rioting right now
 
evernoob said:
Yes, a lot of craft brewers are just mailing it in, but that doesn't change the fact that the sheer density of them means that so many are good, the US has an endless variety of top-quality regionals.

Maybe you're suffering from 'muh Yurup' syndrome.

Or else you are sadly deprived of good regional craft breweries? There's a ton around here. I suspect that's the case if you think the US only does over-hopped beer. My local is in a small town and they do both a lager and a pilsner, both fantastic. Plus you said 'muh purity law' which is centuries old and not really relevant. That's like 1988's argument.

German brewers have been itching to change it and in fact I think some have gotten 'easements' because Germany is falling so far behind.
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We have a metric fucking shitton of breweries around here and distributors here get stuff from all over the country. I like craft beer, but it has gotten to the point that it's 20:1 IPA availability vs everything else. I wouldn't mind so much, but it's pushed all the Euro and Canadian stuff I used to drink fairly often out of the market. That, and I hate IPAs. Was a lot nicer 10 years ago when the market wasn't flooded with them and you could get good stouts, porters, marzens, ect in abundance. Now they're one offs the breweries do on occasion or seasonal runs.

Even Sam Adams, you can get their seasonal beers here pretty much anywhere but they push the fall Marzen and winter lager out pretty quickly. The Octoberfest might be around for 2 months at best and it's hard to even get the winter lager anymore. Places all started carrying Cold Snap instead when it came out because it's hoppy.

I can go to any gas stations or grocery store and they've got a ton of craft beer options, both local, regional, and national but it's still 90% or more IPAs.
 
Motorcharge said:
Canada for macrobrews mostly, but even Europe can't touch the US for microbrews anymore. Though I'm sure this economy shutdown bullshit is going to kill off a significant portion of that industry.
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Exactly.

I think what can't be changed is regional treatments, especially Scotch. The way it's made, I totally buy the argument that a Scotch malted in the sea air of a specific island in the Hebrides is definitely a unique style that can't be duplicated anywhere else. This doesn't mean that someplace else can't make a great Scotch, like Japan.

But then the form of the liquor was evolved in that Hebrides and Highland and Glenn area, so you can get a great simulacrum of the Scotch in Japan, say, and it will be very good, but true Scotch will always be from Scotland, and it will always be the best.

I'd say the same applies to Tennessee whiskey or other types, which require local woods to be charred and the whiskey stored in that weather cycle. Yes there will be other great bourbon from other places, but Old No. 7 will always be THE definition of the type, and always the best (unless they fuck it up.... ha-have they fucked it up somehow?)

Beer OTOH, literally nobody can pinpoint a specific history. It's been scraped up off the stone floor of a grain bin from Mesopotamia to Bavaria. There is NO specific home of Beer. It is just rotten grains that people first drank/ate b/c they were starving, then drank b/c the pure water was so fucking nasty that the only source of good water was someone who sold it to you because they added value by hopping and brewing it. So beer has no home.

Neither does vodka. Neither does gin. Wine I know fuckall about, apparently the Californians beat the French at their own game, but I'd be inclined to say that Champagne really only is from Champagne, and Burgundy, etc.
 
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ConwayMuddy said:
Hamms. Fuck everything else.
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Fuck that:flipoff2:

Grain belt is where it's at. Good and cheap.


​​​​​​I like the stouts and porters myself. Good scotch ale if no stout is available.


I find I drink more scotch and bourbon at the house. I keep Coors in the fridge for guests and the occasional need to hydrate.
 
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Motorcharge said:
I can go to any gas stations or grocery store and they've got a ton of craft beer options, both local, regional, and national but it's still 90% or more IPAs.
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Fuckin a... I dont drink much at all anymore, but occasionally I'll want beer. Every time I see something new to try it ends up being an ipa. I have yet to try one from anywhere that I liked. I usually end up right back at Hamms, or occasionally one of the 4 other beers I can find that I like.
 
Motorcharge said:
We have a metric fucking shitton of breweries around here and distributors here get stuff from all over the country. I like craft beer, but it has gotten to the point that it's 20:1 IPA availability vs everything else. I wouldn't mind so much, but it's pushed all the Euro and Canadian stuff I used to drink fairly often out of the market. That, and I hate IPAs. Was a lot nicer 10 years ago when the market wasn't flooded with them and you could get good stouts, porters, marzens, ect in abundance. Now they're one offs the breweries do on occasion or seasonal runs.

Even Sam Adams, you can get their seasonal beers here pretty much anywhere but they push the fall Marzen and winter lager out pretty quickly. The Octoberfest might be around for 2 months at best and it's hard to even get the winter lager anymore. Places all started carrying Cold Snap instead when it came out because it's hoppy.

I can go to any gas stations or grocery store and they've got a ton of craft beer options, both local, regional, and national but it's still 90% or more IPAs.
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Yea this.
 
The US of A. We have gone back to pre-prohibitionist ways of every town or area has a brewery, some areas have more than one. There is SOOOOOO much good beer being made in this country right now it is mind bending. If you are a fan of good beer this is the new "golden age" of beer in this country.
 
Motorcharge said:
We have a metric fucking shitton of breweries around here and distributors here get stuff from all over the country. I like craft beer, but it has gotten to the point that it's 20:1 IPA availability vs everything else. I wouldn't mind so much, but it's pushed all the Euro and Canadian stuff I used to drink fairly often out of the market. That, and I hate IPAs. Was a lot nicer 10 years ago when the market wasn't flooded with them and you could get good stouts, porters, marzens, ect in abundance. Now they're one offs the breweries do on occasion or seasonal runs.

Even Sam Adams, you can get their seasonal beers here pretty much anywhere but they push the fall Marzen and winter lager out pretty quickly. The Octoberfest might be around for 2 months at best and it's hard to even get the winter lager anymore. Places all started carrying Cold Snap instead when it came out because it's hoppy.

I can go to any gas stations or grocery store and they've got a ton of craft beer options, both local, regional, and national but it's still 90% or more IPAs.
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For sure. There are some really good pale ales and pilzeners being made here locally but you damn near have to go to the brewery's to buy them. Stores just stock the biggest dumbest over hopped american IPA's available.
 
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