No more exemption for press

Just because you have a camera doesnt make you a "jurnolist". And with out a dou t those shit fuckers are camera in one hand "im a jurno, we're protected" and rock/molotov/ rock/weapon actively wrecking shit in the other.
 
I agree.... Just like how some dweeb of a basement dweller with a hand-painted red cross on a wrinkly white t-shirt is supposed to have privileges/protection because "I'm a medic".
 
It seems like there must have been a memo of who could stoop down to the National Enquirer level the quickest.
 
I want a free and unrestricted media but there have been documented attacks on Law Enforcement in these riots by people pretending to be Media or Medics to get close enough to throw things and cause injuries.
 
Eric said:
Why is this even an issue? If the "journalist" is committing a crime then why should they be protected?
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I think it's an issue because every third rioter has "media" painted on their helmet. Police could not disperse the media with the rest of the mob.
 
Back in the day if you didn’t have PP “Press Photographer” plates issued by the state on your vehicle, and LEGIT ID from a real media source you didn’t have access.

Just because everybody has a phone and a You Tube channel doesn’t mean it’s real Media.

Real Media is dead.
 
I definately see some BS with people slapping "press" on thier shirt and then starting some shit. I will say it had been nice watching the live streams and seeing what is really going on vs what the MSM has been (not) reporting. They have caught some pretty interesting stuff on there.
 
The issue imo is the media is the cause of alot of this shit they are "reporting" on and the obvious biased reporting they are doing. Freedom of the press is essential but, the media should not be political one way or the other. So again this is all on them for the abuse of the privilege.

it really started with those like Turner buying news networks and controlling what is reported and how.
 
Thumping said:
The issue imo is the media is the cause of alot of this shit they are "reporting" on and the obvious biased reporting they are doing. Freedom of the press is essential but, the media should not be political one way or the other. So again this is all on them for the abuse of the privilege.

it really started with those like Turner buying news networks and controlling what is reported and how.
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Is the actual news media even out there after the sun goes down and the "offical" protests end? It seems the only "press" you see during the rioting and after the sun goes down are the live streamers in the action.

I agree they fan the flames of this shit, then dont even report on what's actually going on.
 
Slander said:
Is the actual news media even out there after the sun goes down and the "offical" protests end? It seems the only "press" you see during the rioting and after the sun goes down are the live streamers in the action.

I agree they fan the flames of this shit, then dont even report on what's actually going on.
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The nightly "news" pulls the shit they want to report from social media. Then spin it for the story they want. Look at every "black" shot and the story or video clip they use. Michael Brown for example.

they should be held responsible for they half story they tell.

Sandman, Kyle and even Zimmerman were and are slaughtered by the media
 
Ugly pumpkin said:
Sounds like a slippery slope to me.
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why is it a slippery slope? I have to be licensed to conduct business in my state. I must also have insurance to cover my ass if something happens out of my control, but i can also be sued out of house and home if i do it don't do something and it causes a loss situation for the owner of the building. The media literally has no liability when it comes to blatant lies and false reporting, why do they not have to be held responsible for the upheaval they cause the same as i am?
 
I dont see how the press can be licensed. If 5 people whitness an event there will not be total agreement on the so called facts.
Each person needs to judge for themselves....
 
From what I've read, the 9th Circuit ruled that federal Judge Michael Simon's overly-vague ruling was too broad & unclear.

“Given the order’s breadth and lack of clarity, particularly in its non-exclusive indicia of who qualifies as “Journalists” and “Legal Observers,” appellants have also demonstrated that, in the absence of a stay, the order will cause irreparable harm to law enforcement efforts and personnel," two of the three judges wrote. "This means that journalists could be subjected to the same physical force as that of the individuals participating."

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“In practical effect, the district court’s order prevented the federal government from effectively addressing violent mobs through the general crowd-control measures that are required, and it unacceptably increased the risk of serious injury to federal law enforcement officers. The Ninth Circuit’s decision is an important step that will allow federal officers to continue carrying out their important security responsibilities without being subject to untenable conditions.”
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Less a slippery slope than a "that ruling needs a fookin' adult to rewrite it" :laughing:
 
Sterlingfire said:
why is it a slippery slope? I have to be licensed to conduct business in my state. I must also have insurance to cover my ass if something happens out of my control, but i can also be sued out of house and home if i do it don't do something and it causes a loss situation for the owner of the building. The media literally has no liability when it comes to blatant lies and false reporting, why do they not have to be held responsible for the upheaval they cause the same as i am?
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So because you need permission and pay an extortion fee to the .gov to make money, everyone has to? Licensing at all level is stupid and just another example of government control and limiting of liberty. Weren't you just ranting in another thread about how the USA and its people loves freedom and not needing the .gov to tell them what to do and hold their hand? You just advocated for literally the opposite of that.

Que the statists strawman argument of "without licensing a bum will be able to perform brain surgery, do you want that??" :rolleyes:
 
Sterlingfire said:
why is it a slippery slope? I have to be licensed to conduct business in my state. I must also have insurance to cover my ass if something happens out of my control, but i can also be sued out of house and home if i do it don't do something and it causes a loss situation for the owner of the building. The media literally has no liability when it comes to blatant lies and false reporting, why do they not have to be held responsible for the upheaval they cause the same as i am?
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Licensing - government taking a right and renting it back to you under terms that they control and can change at any time.

if you license "who" and "how" anyone in the media can record/report, then it's tantamount to government control...
 
Slander said:
So because you need permission and pay an extortion fee to the .gov to make money, everyone has to? Licensing at all level is stupid and just another example of government control and limiting of liberty. Weren't you just ranting in another thread about how the USA and its people loves freedom and not needing the .gov to tell them what to do and hold their hand? You just advocated for literally the opposite of that.

Que the statists strawman argument of "without licensing a bum will be able to perform brain surgery, do you want that??" :rolleyes:
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I do advocate for freedom. I always will, but licensing isn't an extortion fee if it keeps some hack from the back of a truck and no idea what he's doing from installing sprinkler systems. It puts liability on the licensee. It keeps those who aren't qualified to do a job from doing it without recourse.
Do you really think every single piece of .gov needs to be gone? Fuck, you'll take us back to the stone age considering everyone will die from other people's mistakes and lack of care for what they're doing... it's my freedom to try to qualify for any license i desire, it's not my right to be able to do electrical work if i don't have any way to guarantee to the owner that i am competent to finish the job safely for him and i. (Que the "there are plenty of shit license holders who do terrible work anyway" argument:rolleyes:)
Thus the reason there should be a way to license to report the news. Accountability and liability will be the best thing that could come of it. Not saying any jack ass with a camera can't post a video on fb or any other social media, I'm saying that jackasses wouldn't be able to cherry pick the facts, or report lies with no repercussions anymore. Maybe you have a better way to handle their seemingly unstoppable push towards the end of this country as we know it???

It sucks, and does limit a freedom to an extent, but not so much that it isn't fair or safe to other freedoms. Not to mention the press have put themselves where they're at today. It's been a long road for them, but they did it to themselves.
 
rockota said:
Licensing - government taking a right and renting it back to you under terms that they control and can change at any time.

if you license "who" and "how" anyone in the media can record/report, then it's tantamount to government control...
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It would be my right to install any sort of work in your home, that may kill you because i don't know what I'm doing? How do you keep that from happening if qualified people aren't required to do work, or anything else for that matter?
How much government do you think this nation could lose before it's not enough to sustain control from an invading force? Should we not pay taxes as well?
I think that what's happening in Portland is a good show of what will happen if .gov steps back and puts the population in control of themselves completely. Chaos would ensue :laughing:
 
Sterlingfire said:
I do advocate for freedom. I always will, but licensing isn't an extortion fee if it keeps some hack from the back of a truck and no idea what he's doing from installing sprinkler systems. It puts liability on the licensee. It keeps those who aren't qualified to do a job from doing it without recourse.
Do you really think every single piece of .gov needs to be gone? Fuck, you'll take us back to the stone age considering everyone will die from other people's mistakes and lack of care for what they're doing... it's my freedom to try to qualify for any license i desire, it's not my right to be able to do electrical work if i don't have any way to guarantee to the owner that i am competent to finish the job safely for him and i. (Que the "there are plenty of shit license holders who do terrible work anyway" argument:rolleyes:)
Thus the reason there should be a way to license to report the news. Accountability and liability will be the best thing that could come of it. Not saying any jack ass with a camera can't post a video on fb or any other social media, I'm saying that jackasses wouldn't be able to cherry pick the facts, or report lies with no repercussions anymore. Maybe you have a better way to handle their seemingly unstoppable push towards the end of this country as we know it???

It sucks, and does limit a freedom to an extent, but not so much that it isn't fair or safe to other freedoms. Not to mention the press have put themselves where they're at today. It's been a long road for them, but they did it to themselves.
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The media is a problem, but the sheep listening to the media and believing them is an even bigger problem. Anyone can say what they please, but without people listening to them, it will have no impact. If people employed critical thinking and stopped listening to the media when they are lying, those media outlets who were constantly lying would whither and die.

So if you want to fix the problems with the bullshit the media spews these days, we need to better educate the population. Sadly, the education kids are getting these days isn't designed to facilitate critical thinking. It's memorize the "facts" and take tests.
 
Sterlingfire said:
It would be my right to install any sort of work in your home, that may kill you because i don't know what I'm doing? How do you keep that from happening if qualified people aren't required to do work, or anything else for that matter?
How much government do you think this nation could lose before it's not enough to sustain control from an invading force? Should we not pay taxes as well?
I think that what's happening in Portland is a good show of what will happen if .gov steps back and puts the population in control of themselves completely. Chaos would ensue :laughing:
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What type work do you do and what exactly was required for you to be licensed? Was it an actual performance test, maybe a written exam?
How does this relate to news reporting?
 
Sterlingfire said:
It would be my right to install any sort of work in your home, that may kill you because i don't know what I'm doing? How do you keep that from happening if qualified people aren't required to do work, or anything else for that matter?
How much government do you think this nation could lose before it's not enough to sustain control from an invading force? Should we not pay taxes as well?
I think that what's happening in Portland is a good show of what will happen if .gov steps back and puts the population in control of themselves completely. Chaos would ensue :laughing:
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Conflating a number of different issues...

If I hired you to do something on my house and you don't know what you're doing, that's on me as much as it's on you. Do you think a person should have a license to cut hair... or in MN, braid hair? We're well beyond the usefulness of licensing, IMHO.

You're also stating that shrinking government would impact protection from invading forces... yet that one's of the very few enumerated powers of the federal government...

As to ensuing chaos... that has nothing to do with licensing, but let's go there. We have an overly burdensome government today - it's not stopping any chaos. In fact, it creates chaos... Let the people be free and let them defend themselves against harm.
 
Truckedup said:
What type work do you do and what exactly was required for you to be licensed? Was it an actual performance test, maybe a written exam?
How does this relate to news reporting?
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Own and operate a fire protection business. Basically in the business of life safety.
Requirements to be considered for licensing are
At least 3 years of experience through a licensed firm(confirmed by affidavit from previous employer)
Written exam covering code
Written exam covering 2 court cases

Obviously pay fees up front, and recurring every 3 years

It absolutely relates to news reporting in the fact that licensing could put liability on the reporter if they lie or cherry pick facts to agrandize stories to sway narrative... but only in the liability sense.
 
rockota said:
Conflating a number of different issues...

If I hired you to do something on my house and you don't know what you're doing, that's on me as much as it's on you. Do you think a person should have a license to cut hair... or in MN, braid hair? We're well beyond the usefulness of licensing, IMHO.

You're also stating that shrinking government would impact protection from invading forces... yet that one's of the very few enumerated powers of the federal government...

As to ensuing chaos... that has nothing to do with licensing, but let's go there. We have an overly burdensome government today - it's not stopping any chaos. In fact, it creates chaos... Let the people be free and let them defend themselves against harm.
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You can say that, but the fact of the matter is that isn't possible. we could try, I'm not against it, i just know that absolute freedom would be stolen by far worse enemies than those in our government today... this is the enemy we know, the enemy we do not know is far worse imo
 
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