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No Electricity for you this weekend
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You said
I said whats stopping you ?
You neglected to say its not legal to operate a mg in California
I said whats stopping you ?
You neglected to say its not legal to operate a mg in California
you still can't operate a mg in California.
Nothing but its not really a generator its a solar inverter generator, so if you are ok with that crap you have no worries.
But IMPOV thats not a real generator.
But IMPOV thats not a real generator.
75cruisin
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gt1guy
Apparently a racist
So they are cutting power because there might be a chance of the possibility that maybe a power line could fall and start/not start a fire?
Sounds like everyone needs to stop paying their electric bill until the power companies sort their shit out.
Sounds like everyone needs to stop paying their electric bill until the power companies sort their shit out.
Ksand
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Blame the courts for that. Power companies have been sued over wildfires
I see poles leaning around here and even reported one the other day. How nobody else took the time to report it is beyond me, it's a 5 minute call to prevent hours without power
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CarterKraft
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This is a game of chicken, California will eventually have to resolve the problem they created and will "fund" a program to bury the lines.
PGE just gets to respond accordingly by being responsible and disconnecting the lines for "safety".
PGE just gets to respond accordingly by being responsible and disconnecting the lines for "safety".
Norm
Newb
California has something in common with Cuba
Cuba’s grid goes offline with massive blackout after a major power plant fails
Cuba’s grid goes offline with massive blackout after a major power plant fails
blakes
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I dunno the details, but last year a power company on the CO front range cut power because of Red Flag conditions.
No fire came and they got sued anyway.
So they are getting sued either way.
No new homes have natural gas, propane or wood burning stoves. At no fault to the owner they may also not have power
.I thought that it was the old trucks we drive
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Ksand
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They should have made a public statement saying "power company x got sued for causing wild fires, now we got sued for killing power. The retards in a robe need to pick a side and stop being stupid fucks"
PG&E is a for profit entity and runs like one. They had decrepit transmission lines that literally begged almost guaranteed a fire under the right conditions. Those conditions happen every damn year over and over. Fix the damn power lines so they don’t blow down and murder people by incineration. They pocketed $$ for their shareholders and gawd knows what else. I don’t think a true public utility like SMUD or similar is in litigation over this but I could be wrong. Again
PG&E is a for profit entity and runs like one. They had decrepit transmission lines that literally begged almost guaranteed a fire under the right conditions. Those conditions happen every damn year over and over. Fix the damn power lines so they don’t blow down and murder people by incineration. They pocketed $$ for their shareholders and gawd knows what else. I don’t think a true public utility like SMUD or similar is in litigation over this but I could be wrong. Again, like always
Will Scarlet
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WLDWUN
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Correct, part of the problem (and PUC)
the lines are not the issue in a dry wind event, it is stuff hitting those lines. ie trees and branches
yes they do. and they get worse every year.
at midnight last night the humidity was lower than the Sahara Desert at mid-day. single digits at my place
add wind, and nothing good will happen with any kind of spark
I am no fan of PG&E by any means. what they charge for power is the biggest gripe I have.
but if I can be held liable for fire cause by conditions I cannot control, I would shut the power down as well.
they have looked at burying the lines here locally (currently not feasible)
and just this last month, they have started a program to inventory EVERY tree that if it fell is within striking distance of the power line.
on my property alone about 100 trees were measured and recorded. (2 were determined to be current hazards and marked for removal/ trimming)
gt1guy
Apparently a racist
I see poles leaning around here and even reported one the other day. How nobody else took the time to report it is beyond me, it's a 5 minute call to prevent hours without power
It's still up to the power companies to maintain their lines running in a safe right of way, easement, or whatever it's called I assume?
I think power companies should be sued for wildfires. Absolutely. Now if there's a disclaimer on everyone's bill that says "getting you electricity may burn down everything you own", ok, sure, that gives them an out. But it doesn't sound like they do that.
I'm just a guy living very far away for Cali. It just sounds like cutting power off is the cheap and easy fix to a problem they don't want to spend the money on fixing.
If a tree can't reach the power lines if it falls.........there's no fire. If the ground under the lines can't burn if a line comes down.....there's no fire.
Correct, part of the problem (and PUC)
the lines are not the issue in a dry wind event, it is stuff hitting those lines. ie trees and branches
yes they do. and they get worse every year.
at midnight last night the humidity was lower than the Sahara Desert at mid-day. single digits at my place
add wind, and nothing good will happen with any kind of spark
I am no fan of PG&E by any means. what they charge for power is the biggest gripe I have.
but if I can be held liable for fire cause by conditions I cannot control, I would shut the power down as well.
they have looked at burying the lines here locally (currently not feasible)
and just this last month, they have started a program to inventory EVERY tree that if it fell is within striking distance of the power line.
on my property alone about 100 trees were measured and recorded. (2 were determined to be current hazards and marked for removal/ trimming)
Do they not do maintenance trimming there? Herre the PC comes through every few years and blows out any and every tree within their ROW or easements. They'll knock down every limb and hit the ground with forestry mowers. Kind of funny seeing trees in people's front yards complete blow apart around the lines, but still otherwise intact.
Pge owned pole, pge responsibly. Eta Pge easements are often farmed in my area. They trim the trees that grow under or around them, but I'm a flatlander. Trim isn't the correct term, sorry I ment hack.
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The Paradise fire, the most lethal one was caused by a downed line. Other fires, other causes but the worst one was absolutely caused by a downed line. The wind blew the line down but that line over the Feather River canyon had held up for decades. It was neglected and was responsible for over 80 deaths. Wild do you recall similar info about the fire that wiped Greenville off the map ?
GonPostal
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So. Cal Edison and SDG&E are already in wildfire related litigation. Hawaii Electric is about to be sued for torching Maui............. I don’t think a true public utility like SMUD or similar is in litigation over this but I could be wrong. Again
The correct term is Line clearingPge owned pole, pge responsibly. Eta Pge easements are often farmed in my area. They trim the trees that grow under or around them, but I'm a flatlander. Trim isn't the correct term, sorry I ment hack.
4x4mechanic
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Wish they'd do that shit around here... I've owned my property for going on 25 years and the last time the right-of-way was cleared was before I bought the land. If APCO had done their [censored] job and cleared the right-of-way I know of at least a dozen times I >wouldn't< have lost power. It's always a tree down or a branch shorting out the line... 
Postal are those operated for profit like PG&E or unlike Sacramento Metropolitan Utility District SMUD ?
I would LOVE to explain all the nonsense Edison jumps through with fire crap, they have been accused of starting fires in areas that have been de energized for hrs prior, and had to spend endless dollars proving that.
GonPostal
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Yes, though they are all regulated by their respective State Public Utilities Commissions, who in inturn set the rates the utilities charge as well as their authorized rate of return. These utilities also all trade on the NYSE.
SMUD operates under complete local municiple government control, as does LA DWP, TID, City of Ukiah, and a few others. Service territory is significantly smaller and carries a lot less operating overhead.
To give a magnitude of scale look at PG&E's customer base, 1 in every 20 electric customers in the entire U.S. is a PG&E customer.
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