Paragon
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Did anything definitive ever come up about the crash?
What difference at this point does it make?
What difference at this point does it make?
That's why it's way past time to hold the courts responsible, and punish them for poor decisions. Nothing will change until their punishedOur justice system does not serve justice.
It hands out punishments according to whatever political/cultural ideology you violate.
So it's no longer about justice, its about enforcing cultural norms and values. In this "new normal" your government does not see criminally negligent homicide as a big deal (look at Cuomo and the nursing homes.)
If you disagree, maybe you should ask yourself if you truly do have a representative government.
If you don't, why are you allowing tyranny to exist?
I have always wondered how everyone inside died - that those at the very rear did not have those in front of them as human pillows. Does your BIL have any other info? I recall at the time there was speculation that everyone inside (and maybe the driver, too) has succumbed to CO poisoning on account of the exhaust. That seems far-fetched but the question remains - how did all 17 in the back die?I didn't read all that print, but I did hear someone mentioned that his father was an fbi informant. If true that could have been one reason it took so long and slap on the wrist. Seat belts or not the out come would have been very bad or the same. Was always going to get pics looking north of where they hit to see some of the decline they came down and post in the thread when we were on the other 4x4 place and never did . My brother in law was an emt there and mentioned that was quite the mess and stench was terrible from stomach contents and innards
Next time I see him will ask a bit more, I do know others that were there too , said it was something you just can't unsee it. My son saw them pass by 3min before the down hill and said the exhaust was loud and trans was slipping going up hill and tached out. I'm about 4mi from scene. Google maps doesn't show how steep it is but a pic from the right spot will give a better idea . They were going at there top speed exploded a Toyota highlander ,dislodge a tree in the deep ditch bank at impact in 135ish feet . I may have a topo map I can snap a pic of , be a bit though.I have always wondered how eve
I have always wondered how everyone inside died - that those at the very rear did not have those in front of them as human pillows. Does your BIL have any other info? I recall at the time there was speculation that everyone inside (and maybe the driver, too) has succumbed to CO poisoning on account of the exhaust. That seems far-fetched but the question remains - how did all 17 in the back die?
ryone inside died - that those at the very rear did not have those in front of them as human pillows. Does your BIL have any other info? I recall at the time there was speculation that everyone inside (and maybe the driver, too) has succumbed to CO poisoning on account of the exhaust. That seems far-fetched but the question remains - how did all 17 in the back die?
Because they're New Yorkers. They're part of a society that has a 400yr tradition of just bending over and taking whatever the state says. Not a chance in hell any of them will get even. That's completely foreign to them.I do not understand how people (families) accept outcomes like this. Do they have such faith in "justice", even when it has clearly failed?
Someone killed my kid, the best they could hope for is a .22 at night.
I share your disappointment with NY state and NYC politics, but it is unfair and incorrect to brand 400 years of New Yorkers as you did. How many examples do you need? How about the Setauket Spy Ring that kept tabs on the British fleet for General Washington? There is a church there - still standing - with British bullets in the walls.Dude killed 20 New Yorkers. He was taking out the trash as far as I'm concerned. Probation seems reasonable in that light.
Because they're New Yorkers. They're part of a society that has a 400yr tradition of just bending over and taking whatever the state says. Not a chance in hell any of them will get even. That's completely foreign to them.
No it is not.t it is unfair and incorrect to brand 400 years of New Yorkers as you did.
Not really.No it is not.
The exceptions prove the rule.
What about Teddy Roosevelt? NYC police chief, NYS governor, and one of the best presidents we've ever had.