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New Ford Duallys are 6+ months out?

OutlawRider said:
New Ford, Dually's are 6+ months out

Just poor punctuation on OPs part
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yep, this thread is for all those paying way too much only to get fucked over later. (or hopefully it all works out)


its a common theme for many many owners of newer diesels.



and it is laughable how so many claim they buy new for the warranty. how valuable is any warranty when it takes more work to have them honor it than to pay to have it done private? just the amount of time carterkraft has into talking and thinking about his buddies truck.

i dont punch a clock, but only get paid for the work i produce, so my view has that slant.

i know many 9-5 guys love new trucks and all the bs that comes along with it. gives plenty to talk about during all the 15min and lunch breaks. they can fuck around on their phones all day calling dealer etc..

there was a time when a new truck meant you didn't have to deal with the bs, and dealers honored warranties. its like healthcare... they sell a promise then make you fight to get what you bought. and the stupid 9-5 guys sit around and say 'haha- shoulda bought a ford' 'my chevs better' while all getting fucked by the same dick.:shaking:


*i'm a few deep on some hipster high test brew. fuck:beer:
 
Gbkeith said:
The most bare bones truck on the lot today is worlds more comfortable than anything from when I was a kid.
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comfy? meh.

i like my obs chevys ride more than the 2013 ferd i use to tow my camper with the family. and i fucking hate my buddies 2017 f450 platinum. its the right ride for towing the 20k trailer, but is miserable with anything less behind it. we get to camp and everyone with those big trucks drives mine to town for groceries etc.

slowpoke has a fair comparison about how new trucks are better. but i think he'll like the older truck more if/when the 6.7 has problems. especially if they are the problems that would cost more than a complete gasser drivetrain swap. but guys talking 450's and buy it for the warrenty are a joke.
 
tracyb said:
yep, this thread is for all those paying way too much only to get fucked over later. (or hopefully it all works out)


its a common theme for many many owners of newer diesels.



and it is laughable how so many claim they buy new for the warranty. how valuable is any warranty when it takes more work to have them honor it than to pay to have it done private? just the amount of time carterkraft has into talking and thinking about his buddies truck.

i dont punch a clock, but only get paid for the work i produce, so my view has that slant.

i know many 9-5 guys love new trucks and all the bs that comes along with it. gives plenty to talk about during all the 15min and lunch breaks. they can fuck around on their phones all day calling dealer etc..

there was a time when a new truck meant you didn't have to deal with the bs, and dealers honored warranties. its like healthcare... they sell a promise then make you fight to get what you bought. and the stupid 9-5 guys sit around and say 'haha- shoulda bought a ford' 'my chevs better' while all getting fucked by the same dick.:shaking:


*i'm a few deep on some hipster high test brew. fuck:beer:
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I get it.

I also don't think there is a magical year range that will clear you from parts availability problems these days.

If it's old enough to not have "new" struggles it might be old enough to not have a part period due to aging out.

I see this at work, the "good ol shit" is starting to have discontinued critical parts, that's not better IMO.

edit: fucking auto correct!
 
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I'm so on the fence about a 7.3 / 4.30 combo to replace my 2019 6.7 /3.55.

The 19 is a weekend nice driver, with 48K on the odometer and as of 12 days ago no warranty coverage.

I'm not concerned about the 8-10K tractor and equipment trailer, but I am concerned about the 5th-wheel camper. Wet and loaded I'm just about 13,200 and pushing a lot of wind at 13' 5" high. I've managed to push that diesel into the 6.5-7MPG range running into a headwind coming back from Amarillo and unloaded it's never seen fit to do better than 16.5 so the fuel cost doesn't concern me, but I'd be plenty pissed if I have to push the pedal through the floor when I want to keep up with the rest of my camping buddies at 70-75 running across the state only to be only one that chose to break away from a diesel pickup and be sucking hind tit.
 
I ordered a 6.7 high output for my next truck at work.

It’s weird. We’ve had 20 or 30 of them at work with no real problems. My current 2017 truck just hit 312,000 and has been towing heavy every weekday for the last two weeks. Based on just my own experiences it would have been a no brainer to check the diesel box. But all the stuff I read about happening to internet strangers scares me.

I dunno. I guess we’ll see. The high output part scares me some but really sounds fun.
 
I would be surprised if unloaded anyone could tell a difference between the two HP levels unloaded. The transmission in my 450 won't shift fast enough to be fun when I floor it. Just runs up to the limiter, hangs for a second and then shifts.
 
inthefield said:
I'm so on the fence about a 7.3 / 4.30 combo to replace my 2019 6.7 /3.55.

The 19 is a weekend nice driver, with 48K on the odometer and as of 12 days ago no warranty coverage.

I'm not concerned about the 8-10K tractor and equipment trailer, but I am concerned about the 5th-wheel camper. Wet and loaded I'm just about 13,200 and pushing a lot of wind at 13' 5" high. I've managed to push that diesel into the 6.5-7MPG range running into a headwind coming back from Amarillo and unloaded it's never seen fit to do better than 16.5 so the fuel cost doesn't concern me, but I'd be plenty pissed if I have to push the pedal through the floor when I want to keep up with the rest of my camping buddies at 70-75 running across the state only to be only one that chose to break away from a diesel pickup and be sucking hind tit.
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Only remote complaint I have with my 7.3 truck isn't power related. When towing our camper (9k, bumper pull) I get sway I never had before. Mine is a short bed crew cab. But previous Ram 3500 short bed didn't do it. My last 2 trucks were LWB and no sway.
This one does have some highway type all terrains that I'm assuming is the culprit
As far as towing with it, I can maintain whatever speed I desire. Just had to get used to higher RPM than I had been accustomed to with diesels.
 
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1oddtech said:
I would be surprised if unloaded anyone could tell a difference between the two HP levels unloaded. The transmission in my 450 won't shift fast enough to be fun when I floor it. Just runs up to the limiter, hangs for a second and then shifts.
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You can definitely tell when you're cruising down the highway pulling a 12K extra height race car trailer in a headwind and want to pass a tractor trailer truck and all it takes is the scrunching of your toes on the pedal and you shoot past the truck at 85. My 19 F550 rolls around at 18,600 and it won't do that.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
You can definitely tell when you're cruising down the highway pulling a 12K extra height race car trailer in a headwind and want to pass a tractor trailer truck and all it takes is the scrunching of your toes on the pedal and you shoot past the truck at 85. My 19 F550 rolls around at 18,600 and it won't do that.
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Is that because of the power or is it because Ford tunes the drive by wire pedal to be less responsive in trucks that will be driven by people who aren't paying for them? :flipoff2:
 
tracyb said:
there was a time when a new truck meant you didn't have to deal with the bs, and dealers honored warranties. its like healthcare... they sell a promise then make you fight to get what you bought. and the stupid 9-5 guys sit around and say 'haha- shoulda bought a ford' 'my chevs better' while all getting fucked by the same dick.:shaking:


*i'm a few deep on some hipster high test brew. fuck:beer:
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That's the way I remember it, you bought a new truck when you were sick of constantly fighting gremlins with your old one.

Now you buy the gremlins and pay for the privilege.

Whereas if what you have isn't giving fits. You're better off running it until it gives out.
 
Clastic said:
That's the way I remember it, you bought a new truck when you were sick of constantly fighting gremlins with your old one.

Now you buy the gremlins and pay for the privilege.

Whereas if what you have isn't giving fits. You're better off running it until it gives out.
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Or you can keep the old worn out truck that's been paid for for decades as a spare just in case the new one has issues and gets hit by Jewish lightning. :laughing:
 
inthefield said:
I'm so on the fence about a 7.3 / 4.30 combo to replace my 2019 6.7 /3.55.

The 19 is a weekend nice driver, with 48K on the odometer and as of 12 days ago no warranty coverage.

I'm not concerned about the 8-10K tractor and equipment trailer, but I am concerned about the 5th-wheel camper. Wet and loaded I'm just about 13,200 and pushing a lot of wind at 13' 5" high. I've managed to push that diesel into the 6.5-7MPG range running into a headwind coming back from Amarillo and unloaded it's never seen fit to do better than 16.5 so the fuel cost doesn't concern me, but I'd be plenty pissed if I have to push the pedal through the floor when I want to keep up with the rest of my camping buddies at 70-75 running across the state only to be only one that chose to break away from a diesel pickup and be sucking hind tit.
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I know that group :laughing:
I don't participate in those convoys but I wonder if the 7.3/4.30 has enough gear with the 10 speed to not matter at that weight.
If you were double that I think it would be lacking.
 
inthefield said:
I'm so on the fence about a 7.3 / 4.30 combo to replace my 2019 6.7 /3.55.

The 19 is a weekend nice driver, with 48K on the odometer and as of 12 days ago no warranty coverage.

I'm not concerned about the 8-10K tractor and equipment trailer, but I am concerned about the 5th-wheel camper. Wet and loaded I'm just about 13,200 and pushing a lot of wind at 13' 5" high. I've managed to push that diesel into the 6.5-7MPG range running into a headwind coming back from Amarillo and unloaded it's never seen fit to do better than 16.5 so the fuel cost doesn't concern me, but I'd be plenty pissed if I have to push the pedal through the floor when I want to keep up with the rest of my camping buddies at 70-75 running across the state only to be only one that chose to break away from a diesel pickup and be sucking hind tit.
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Rent a truck from Enterprise and go test it with the trailer.
They rent some with 5th wheels.
 
When we were ribbing my buddy the other night at the bar he said fuck it I'm gonna trade this POS on a 450 and I joked that you would need to decide if you wanted a little more power than the GMC with the standard output Ford or A LOT more power with the HO.
He had no idea the $103k beauty he bought might be the lowest output truck available.

GM 470hp 975 ft lb
Ford SO 475 hp 1050 ft lb
Ford HO 500 hp 1200 ft lb

The GM is at a 225 ft lb deficit, thats one of Arse's favorite minivans whole ass engine power rating missing:stirthepot:
 
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cause you know ft/lb means anything at all
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Or that you can feel a 25hp difference when you have 475-500.

I'd love to see dyno output for a 0-whatever pull using all the gears. It wouldn't surprise me if a good chunk of the 1200 is nanny'd out of existence except specific ranges in specific gears. Should be easy to spot.
 
CarterKraft said:
I get it.

I also don't think there is a magical year range that will clear you from parts availability problems these days.

If it's old enough to not have "new" struggles it might be old enough to not have a part period due to aging out.

I see this at work, the "good ol shit" is starting to have discontinued critical parts, that's not better IMO.

edit: fucking auto correct!
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One reason I got rid of my 05 Dodge Diesel. Only 62k miles, and pretty mint shape, but I got the last set of factory
hubs in the country (they were not bad, yet, but are one of the common parts that go near 100K).
Discontinued, and I had only found one. Ordered a Timkin for it, but comparing the WMS flange on the Timkin, was not as thick
as the factory part.

The other reason was I found a Ford dealer that would do 1% below invoice, but used trucks (especially pre-DEF Cummins)
were still going for "big" money. Paid 66, sold for 26 (could have got more on Dodge probably, but that was a good friend's price
and did not have to go through hassle of trying to sell truck to losers with no intention or money).

The difference in power is night and day. Some say you don't really need it, but I always hated not being able to pass
quickly when I was already doing 70ish. It would have been 10 grand for a built 48RE to turn up the wick on the Dodge,
but even then it's hit or miss on built trans's (if they work well or not, by plenty of threads on Dodge/Cummins boards with built trans
issues).

But the difference in tracking down the road, there is nothing you can do to an old truck to get that. Even in truck grooves, you barely
have to touch the wheel. I always felt like I was making tons of corrections towing with that Dodge, even when new(er).

I did have huge balancing issue with stock General tires on the new truck, and trailer wiring connection was a PAI at first, but was fixed up with
new trailer wiring and electronics module for the Hydr. Brake Actuaror. Couple other minor things wrong during build, but nothing major.
Will I be screwed by CP4 eventually, maybe, but I'll get the 10 year warrantee and deal with it, if/when. One thing going for me is I only use truck for truck stuff. Not my daily, so mileage will be low on this one also, over the years.

Retire in 2-3 years, so may get big camper to tool around the country, another reason I got 6.7 HO.
 
inthefield said:
I'm so on the fence about a 7.3 / 4.30 combo to replace my 2019 6.7 /3.55.

The 19 is a weekend nice driver, with 48K on the odometer and as of 12 days ago no warranty coverage.

I'm not concerned about the 8-10K tractor and equipment trailer, but I am concerned about the 5th-wheel camper. Wet and loaded I'm just about 13,200 and pushing a lot of wind at 13' 5" high. I've managed to push that diesel into the 6.5-7MPG range running into a headwind coming back from Amarillo and unloaded it's never seen fit to do better than 16.5 so the fuel cost doesn't concern me, but I'd be plenty pissed if I have to push the pedal through the floor when I want to keep up with the rest of my camping buddies at 70-75 running across the state only to be only one that chose to break away from a diesel pickup and be sucking hind tit.
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I have a 2023 F250 with the 7.3/4.30 combo. Pulled 17,000 lbs pretty good. It did need more rear suspension and DRWs though. The engine will do some screaming on the grades. In my case, that was the mountains in TN.

I have no ragrets, engine wise, about moving on from my 2016 Cummins HO. My days of pulling 30k+ behind a pickup truck are over.


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You are welcome to come to GA and drive it.

There are a lot of guys on the Texas Bowhunter forum with the combo. Join up over there and ask for a test drive.

I hate to keep reposting the same pics, but it keeps coming up. Truck scaled at 7,300 lbs.

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If you want a 7.3, I'd get it soon. DI and particulate filters coming, it looks like.

Ford is putting gpfs on gas engines? Gas particulate filter.. - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

2017+ Super Duty - Ford is putting gpfs on gas engines? Gas particulate filter.. - This was just posted at a site i frequent (87, fo) lol. anyways wonder whats up with this? Will superdutys be coming with them? That will suck because the one thing besides cost is the lack of major emission...
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