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muddyrover said:
I picked up a base 4 door for MSRP under $40k. I had Mojave take off's on the jeep ( i sold to Carvana ) with good 285/ 70r17 that I am swapping on to a set of Badlands optional fake locks.
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Those aren't fake locks. Buy the rings from any ford parts distributor, and flip the bead to the outside face, and they are real badlocks. Those and sasquatch wheels are going to be great upgrades for Ford and Toyota owners for cheap aluminum beadlocks in a couple years.
 
Joez said:
Those aren't fake locks. Buy the rings from any ford parts distributor, and flip the bead to the outside face, and they are real badlocks. Those and sasquatch wheels are going to be great upgrades for Ford and Toyota owners for cheap aluminum beadlocks in a couple years.
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The ford price on the rings is as much as I paid for my last set
of Trail Ready wheels. I heard KMC rings will work for about half price. Even then they are only cast Al wheels. Not in any forseeable future for this rig, not what I am using it for. IMHO it has way too much body for east coast wheeling of any seriousness.

Two medium MTB bikes (one 27.5, one 27.5+) fit while still being able to use short side rear seat.
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muddyrover said:
The ford price on the rings is as much as I paid for my last set
of Trail Ready wheels. I heard KMC rings will work for about half price. Even then they are only cast Al wheels. Not in any forseeable future for this rig, not what I am using it for. IMHO it has way too much body for east coast wheeling of any seriousness.

Two medium MTB bikes (one 27.5, one 27.5+) fit while still being able to use short side rear seat.
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You can get 5 of the lock rings for less than a grand now if you look around.
Bronco also uses a hub centric wheel. So you'd need an adapter to get other ones to fit "properly".
I think Method and/or Icon is the only other manufacturer that makes "correct" wheels for the Bronco.
 
Who here likes Math?
Production numbers by generation (There is no argument on the generations, only wrong and right. If you think they are all the same from 1980-1996, you are in the wrong category. )
People always picked on the bronco2 for being a turd, but Ford laughed pretty hard too, all the way to the bank.
Look how cool those 78/79 broncos were, damn did people want those.
In the 1990's people did not want the non refined bronco SUV anymore, there were so many luxury SUV's out there that sales were tanking, it was easier to put to the expedition.
Bronco also had a lot of safety issues in the 1990's with the removable hard top and the fact the rear seat passengers now needed a shoulder belt, it seemed ford didn't want to add a roll bar like Jeep did, bronco was dead.
*My 2021-23 numbers might be low, I have not seen a quarter production run for FY23Q3
StartendYearsUnitsUnit per year
1966​
1977​
12​
207,34717,279
1978​
1979​
2​
181,95590,978
1980​
1986​
7​
328,06346,866
1987​
1991​
5​
235,45147,090
1992​
1996​
5​
162,70332,541
2021​
2023​
3​
245,24981,750
Bronco2
1984​
1990​
7​
627,30489,615
 
The ratio of B2s to FSBs still around speaks volumes to how much longer lived expensive shit is even if it's not fundamentally different.
 
Steve300xcw said:
That why there is so many more toyotas on the road then ford rangers? :flipoff2:
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Yeah we've covered this. Way easier for shit to hit 20yr/200k when the first 10yr/100k is in the hands of someone who uses it like a commuter car, does all the maintenance items and never even puts a hitch receiver on it or hauls anything bigger than a fridge.

Heck, I saw a OG 90s Northstar Caddilac in the property owner's garage when I was picking up a beech log a few weekends ago. Amazing what caring use and being able to just foot the bill for anything and everything will do for longevity.

And FWIW I see more 90s Rangers than Toyotas at this point. Rust DGAF what the fanboys think.
 
bdkw1 said:
TTB is the cheapest suspension in $/" of travel. 16" on TTB is easy. Straight axle with leafs? Ya, good luck.
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Im thinking you misunderstood my post.... This has nothing to do TTB being IFS's retarded brother in the desert.

If the Rangers originally came with a live axle with leafs or coils, they would have been more popular with the general wheeling public because they would be cheaper to lift than a TTB.
 
Tech Tim said:
Im thinking you misunderstood my post.... This has nothing to do TTB being IFS's retarded brother in the desert.

If the Rangers originally came with a live axle with leafs or coils, they would have been more popular with the general wheeling public because they would be cheaper to lift than a TTB.
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Coils are cheaper than leafs and shackles. Shocks and mounts would be the same.
 
Are we comparing 90s to 90s, because I don't remember 90s Toyotas coming with leaf springs :confused:
 
Tech Tim said:
Im thinking you misunderstood my post.... This has nothing to do TTB being IFS's retarded brother in the desert.

If the Rangers originally came with a live axle with leafs or coils, they would have been more popular with the general wheeling public because they would be cheaper to lift than a TTB.
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I was talking about street rigs but year, straight axle definitly makes something more likely to be lifted and then passed from casual enthusiast to casual enthusiast and never see the junkyard.
 
arse_sidewards said:
The ratio of B2s to FSBs still around speaks volumes to how much longer lived expensive shit is even if it's not fundamentally different.
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HA!
Well the 2.8/2.9 that cracked heads in it until 1989 wiped out a lot of Bronco2's.
That and, well here at least those engines failed CA SMOG standards and we just crushed them.
 
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welndmn said:
HA!
Well the 2.8/2.9 that cracked heads in it until 1989 wiped out a lot of Bronco2's.
That and, well here at least those engines failed CA SMOG standards and we just crushed them.
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Yeah but I figure it kinda cancels out with the Toyota rust and you'd think every 2.3 one would still be on the road.
 
Cash for clunkers killed a ton of Bronco II's and Exploders. They used to be a dirt cheap entry level platform to build. I've kinda had and eye out for a really clean one to add to the collection, but I just can't see them as more than a $500 shitbox. Still have my V8 parts waiting on a new donor.
 
welndmn said:
HA!
Well the 2.8/2.9 that cracked heads in it until 1989 wiped out a lot of Bronco2's.
That and, well here at least those engines failed CA SMOG standards and we just crushed them.
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It was the 2.9L and early 4.0L that had the head cracking problems, the 2.8Ls were little tanks even if they don't make any power :laughing:

Of course the 2.8Ls were only available for the first two model years and had the shitty computerized carbs that people couldn't resist fucking up worse than than the factory already did.

arse_sidewards said:
Yeah but I figure it kinda cancels out with the Toyota rust and you'd think every 2.3 one would still be on the road.
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I expected better from you :flipoff2: Ford only sold Bronco IIs with the 2.8L and 2.9L. The 2.3L and diesels were Ranger-only.
 
Friend of mine bought a bronco II for 50 cents, the amount of change in his pocket circa 2002. To this day I still think he overpaid.

All the B2s and rangers of that era are awful. Here's to hoping they all get crushed :beer:
 
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arse_sidewards said:
The ratio of B2s to FSBs still around speaks volumes to how much longer lived expensive shit is even if it's not fundamentally different.
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Talking pre-cash 4 clunkers here... i used to see alot of BII in the salvage yards with little to no damage. Rarely ever saw a FSB.

I'm thinking repair vs worth. The used B2's were nearly free in the 90's-00's... the used fsb maintained some resale value. So you've got a B2 with a dead A4LD that's gonna cost 2 grand to rebuild. The B2 in mint condition is worth $800. On the other side of the coin, you've got a FSB with a dead E40D that's gonna cost 2 grand to rebuild. The FSB in mint condition is worth $4000.

Most B2's were given up on.
 
One thing I have noticed is the base auto is shifted all the way out to 10th at about 48 mph when just cruising with the 30" stock tires. Seems like it will be plenty of gear with the 285 70r17 for my use. Still waiting on TPMS sensors in the mail and a day off.

First tank of fuel showed 23.8mpg on the dash, not sure how accurate that is.
 
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