New Bronco reports

[Mr.Ratbastard]

Apparently there's a huge lawsuit about it. Atleast Ram was smart enough to only go to the CP4 for 2 years and then immediately switch back.

Its just further evidence Ford hates its customers. Why else would they stick with the cp4 since 2011? It was a known disaster about the first month of 2012, right?

They all lost one lawsuit over the cp4 and kept right on using it. Shitty as hell.
I sold my diesel Gladiator because they were either denying claims or letting them sit for months not fixing them.
Watching this happen made me feel better about my decision and less concerned about any warranty.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Apparently there's a huge lawsuit about it. Atleast Ram was smart enough to only go to the CP4 for 2 years and then immediately switch back.

Its just further evidence Ford hates its customers. Why else would they stick with the cp4 since 2011? It was a known disaster about the first month of 2012, right?

Ford has always been chock full of textbook engineers who like to showboat engineering shit for no good reason until the results damage their brand enough that senior management tells them to fuck off.

90s: "look at us we're going all in on FWD cars because FWD cars are the future"

00s: "look at us were shitcanning all our OHV shit and going OHC because OHC is the future"

10s "look at us we're going to consolidate platforms into stuff we only sell globally"

It makes perfect sense that they're sticking with the CP4 because "well the failure rate is only X on paper" and "Y% of failures are <some environmental factor>, not our pumps".

 

[Elwenil]

I sold my diesel Gladiator because they were either denying claims or letting them sit for months not fixing them.

Not that it matters to you now, but the recall for the 3.0 diesel's pump just came out.

 

[Chicken Corners]

In the early 80s I had a friendly neighbor tell me I had a brake light out in my 1973 Datsun 210. Didn’t need all this fancy fiber optic/computer stuff .

 

[Texas97]

Ford has always been chock full of textbook engineers who like to showboat engineering shit for no good reason until the results damage their brand enough that senior management tells them to fuck off.

90s: "look at us we're going all in on FWD cars because FWD cars are the future"

00s: "look at us were shitcanning all our OHV shit and going OHC because OHC is the future"

10s "look at us we're going to consolidate platforms into stuff we only sell globally"

It makes perfect sense that they're sticking with the CP4 because "well the failure rate is only X on paper" and "Y% of failures are <some environmental factor>, not our pumps".

id love to know what their thoughts were when the 6.0 was becoming the worst diesel engine in the last 100 years, and then they shifted to the 6.4 and its disaster..... i cant imagine how any of those people can mess up a truck so badly.... every truck, in the last 20 years.

i guess its because Ford guys will line up with mountains of cash "Muh daddy drove a Ford and his daddy drove a Ford and now i need to be able to drive a Ford hauling sailboat fuel to the mall and back home to suburbia!! Take my money Ford!! Gimme them Super Dutys... yummmy!!!"

 

[45acp]

id love to know what their thoughts were when the 6.0 was becoming the worst diesel engine in the last 100 years, and then they shifted to the 6.4 and its disaster..... i cant imagine how any of those people can mess up a truck so badly.... every truck, in the last 20 years.

These are the same people who's parents had like 7 different fucking gas V8 engines in the same model year, 3 of which where the same displacement and shared basically no parts.

If you're trying to make sense of Ford engineering you need to smoke crack cocaine dipped in bath salts while drunk.

 

[arse_sidewards]

These are the same people who's parents had like 7 different fucking gas V8 engines in the same model year, 3 of which where the same displacement and shared basically no parts.

Akshually the most you can get concurrent is 6.

Running a junkyard in the 1970s must have been fucking wild.

I've always wanted a MEL or a Superduty. I think the old wedge head shit is a novel engineering dead end. The Y blocks are cool too.

 

[45acp]

Akshually the most you can get concurrent is 6.

Running a junkyard in the 1970s must have been fucking wild.

I've always wanted a MEL or a Superduty. I think the old wedge head shit is a novel engineering dead end. The Y blocks are cool too.

I like early Broncos, and old Ranger/Explorer stuff, and some Mustangs, and Superduty trucks... but having grown up in a mostly GM home and having a non-mechanical dad and learning this stuff on my own... Ford really pissed me off for a loooong time back in the day.

 

[aczlan]

I wonder if it is necessary to have all this shit connected? Having a complex computerized system for fuel delivery and emissions control is not ideal, but all but mandated now, but is there really a reason computers need to know the status of tail lights? Maybe someone should build a vehicle / fleet that uses cheap older school tech wherever possible. Maybe it could bring down the ridiculous costs of new vehicles.

It lets them run less wires to the light (say 2 power and 1-2 canbus wires depending on if low speed canbus needs a separate ground) for the base models and 5-6 wires to the fancy radar light (2 power wires, low and high speed canbus and 1-2 grounds for canbus).
That shaves off a lot of wire vs home runs to the BCM and helps with weight (mileage) and cost.
If they use the right chip (IIRC) they can also sense current draw and shutdown the circuit if it's pulling too much (eliminating fuses and more wiring).
From a random article: Shedding Pounds In Automotive Electronics

Aaron Z

 

[grumpy356]

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

The ‘24 order banks opened up yesterday and I put down a deposit on a 2 door heritage but still waiting on an order confirmation.

It took a few months for Ford to accept the order but the wheels are finally turning.

 

[WaterH]

Pretty much all new cars. Except it failed to mention “you didn’t pay your subscription this month”.

 

[Tech Tim]

With 35K miles on mine now that is TRUE!

 

[2big bronco]

With 35K miles on mine now that is TRUE!

Ive only got 7k but I agree.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Man; this thread is real discouraging regarding buying a 2020+ rig/vehicle.😟

The reality of implementing new vehicles with electronics like smart phones.

 

[Roc Doc]

Not that it matters to you now, but the recall for the 3.0 diesel's pump just came out.

The recall was April , 2023, but only for 2021-23 models. I thought it was for all the EcoDiesels, but it looks like my 15 is not covered. I dunno what pump it uses.

Edit; Apparently all the Eco's used the CP4 pump, but have not been a problem area for whatever reason. Mine has 211k on it, so far so good.

 

[Elwenil]

The recall was April , 2023, but only for 2021-23 models. I thought it was for all the EcoDiesels, but it looks like my 15 is not covered. I dunno what pump it uses.

Edit; Apparently all the Eco's used the CP4 pump, but have not been a problem area for whatever reason. Mine has 211k on it, so far so good.

The recall was released earlier, but I think the parts just became available a couple months ago. We've done about a dozen of them so far.

 

[Roc Doc]

The recall was released earlier, but I think the parts just became available a couple months ago. We've done about a dozen of them so far.

Rog. Last time I was in, my SA said no availability

 

[Dirtyjed]

Had a few Broncos in our group start to develop cracks on upper rear control arm bracket. Only seems to be an issue on the 21's as the newer years have bracing here. I might try to get mine warrantied but don't have stock suspension so we'll see what happens.

 

[2big bronco]

Had a few Broncos in our group start to develop cracks on upper rear control arm bracket. Only seems to be an issue on the 21's as the newer years have bracing here. I might try to get mine warrantied but don't have stock suspension so we'll see what happens.

What would be the purpose of warranting it? Are you hoping they will brace it? Or are you just trying to keep everything above water for future warrentys?

Seems like fixing and bracing it yourself would be the easiest outcome

 

[Dirtyjed]

Mainly try to keep things documented.
I have a 30k maintenance scheduled in a couple weeks so I'll just bring it up than.
Probably have it fixed by than though, now that I know its there it has me mildly concerned.

 

[rockmup]

Mainly try to keep things documented.
I have a 30k maintenance scheduled in a couple weeks so I'll just bring it up than.
Probably have it fixed by than though, now that I know its there it has me mildly concerned.

You see the crack below it too ?

 

[rockota]

Had a few Broncos in our group start to develop cracks on upper rear control arm bracket. Only seems to be an issue on the 21's as the newer years have bracing here. I might try to get mine warrantied but don't have stock suspension so we'll see what happens.

is it cracked at the weld as well (right below blue circle)? Or is that just an illusion?

 

[Elwenil]

Looks cracked to me.

 

[Dirtyjed]

I agree it looks cracked as well.
That's not mine. It's my buddies rig and the reason I went to look for the cracks.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Looks cracked to me.

X3

That paint didn't start chipping off in that area for no reason.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Seems like fixing and bracing it yourself would be the easiest outcome

In yours and Talon2006's case I would think the rear portal box leverage would stress those upper mounts even more than stock and cutting those off and installing a heavier duty mount will be needed sooner or later to keep the rear suspension happy.

 

[Weasel]

are the frames and brackets higher strength steel?

cracks suck. Flashback to the CheroCar but at leas there you got 10 years before crack started.

 

[arse_sidewards]

are the frames and brackets higher strength steel?

JR4X have you taken a sawzall to the frame yet?

 

[2big bronco]

JR4X have you taken a sawzall to the frame yet?

He did say the alluminum looking structure supporting the body was some crazy hard metal iirc