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yeah you should be right in next of line then. I'm planning a trip up by them in May for the KOH race in Montana and am hoping to swing by and pick it up.
 
Weasel said:
yeah you should be right in next of line then. I'm planning a trip up by them in May for the KOH race in Montana and am hoping to swing by and pick it up.
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I would get the thing shipped the day it’s done, at this rate it might not be there when you show up
 
94toytruck said:
You guys that are waiting on cases. Phenom has cases built in stock...

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Yeah, talked to Ben last night and he was saying driver drops are ready to ship out pretty much immediately.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Interesting, who's making the gears?

Wonder if they're just buying atlas gears :laughing:
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Waaay bigger than Atlas gears....like Lomax 205 size on one end IIRC.
 
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94toytruck said:
Your right only double the gearing options of a D300, what fawking trash!
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I meant more with respect to the three speed. I'm sure 5.44 works for many, but lower would be nice. It's the reason I moved them out of consideration when buying a case.
 
Freerider15 said:
I meant more with respect to the three speed. I'm sure 5.44 works for many, but lower would be nice. It's the reason I moved them out of consideration when buying a case.
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No 3 speed case has ever been offered lower. You do realize you're in the minority wanting lower than that right?

Looks like a pretty good line up to me

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Wait, is phenom the guy who stole hero?
 
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Freerider15 said:
I meant more with respect to the three speed. I'm sure 5.44 works for many, but lower would be nice. It's the reason I moved them out of consideration when buying a case.
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How low do you need? I have a 1-1, 2.28-1 and a 4.7-1 and it's complete over kill if I run both low range boxes with a manual. With a auto there's honestly no reason to even think of lower.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
No 3 speed case has ever been offered lower. You do realize you're in the minority wanting lower than that right?

Looks like a pretty good line up to me

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Wait, is phenom the guy who stole hero?
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94toytruck said:
How low do you need? I have a 1-1, 2.28-1 and a 4.7-1 and it's complete over kill if I run both low range boxes with a manual. With a auto there's honestly no reason to even think of lower.
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I ran 7.12:1 in low with my doubler, and am now 8.2:1 in my Atlas. Maybe low for where you're at, but low and slow is the name of the game by many in the Western half. Plenty of Yotas have doublers, buggys with portals and a D300, 10:1 atlas cases, etc. 4.7:1 would be a bit higher than I'd want. If I were running a larger or more powerful power plant with more torque, I could get away with lower gearing. But a 4.0L on 40s to 43s, water, etc. brings out the anemicness in the 4.0.
 
Freerider15 said:
I ran 7.12:1 in low with my doubler, and am now 8.2:1 in my Atlas. Maybe low for where you're at, but low and slow is the name of the game by many in the Western half. Plenty of Yotas have doublers, buggys with portals and a D300, 10:1 atlas cases, etc. 4.7:1 would be a bit higher than I'd want. If I were running a larger or more powerful power plant with more torque, I could get away with lower gearing. But a 4.0L on 40s to 43s, water, etc. brings out the anemicness in the 4.0.
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Last I saw, the portal guys were running just the 2.62 gears in the D300s and the roughly 10:1 axles. But that was a while since I dobe into it that deep.

I get the want for lower, I'm still in the 4cyl/manual game, but that's not where the money is. Id actually like to see a tcase with lower than 1:1 high range, but I'm also aware I'm probably in the minority there also.

Seems like at least 75% of people are happy with roughly 4:1, hence the popularity of the 3.8 and 4.3 atlas, 4:1 D300, 203/205 and Rubicon case.

I'm not sure I would want much more than a 5.44:1 in a 3 speed case anyway. I'd think you'd end up with Some pretty small gears in there. A 4 speed case seems like a no Brainer if you want lower than 5.44.
 
Freerider15 said:
I ran 7.12:1 in low with my doubler, and am now 8.2:1 in my Atlas. Maybe low for where you're at, but low and slow is the name of the game by many in the Western half. Plenty of Yotas have doublers, buggys with portals and a D300, 10:1 atlas cases, etc. 4.7:1 would be a bit higher than I'd want. If I were running a larger or more powerful power plant with more torque, I could get away with lower gearing. But a 4.0L on 40s to 43s, water, etc. brings out the anemicness in the 4.0.
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My doubler in low is 10.716-1, how is your 8.2-1 too low for where I'm at again?:homer:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Last I saw, the portal guys were running just the 2.62 gears in the D300s and the roughly 10:1 axles. But that was a while since I dobe into it that deep.

I get the want for lower, I'm still in the 4cyl/manual game, but that's not where the money is. Id actually like to see a tcase with lower than 1:1 high range, but I'm also aware I'm probably in the minority there also.

Seems like at least 75% of people are happy with roughly 4:1, hence the popularity of the 3.8 and 4.3 atlas, 4:1 D300, 203/205 and Rubicon case.

I'm not sure I would want much more than a 5.44:1 in a 3 speed case anyway. I'd think you'd end up with Some pretty small gears in there. A 4 speed case seems like a no Brainer if you want lower than 5.44.
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Yeah, outside of 4400 guys, not many I know of would care for a gear higher than 1:1.

I went 4 speed for that exact reason. essentially 1:1, 3:1, 8.2:1.
94toytruck said:
My doubler in low is 10.716-1, how is your 8.2-1 too low for where I'm at again?:homer:
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Wait, you said: "How low do you need? I have a 1-1, 2.28-1 and a 4.7-1 and it's complete over kill if I run both low range boxes with a manual. With a auto there's honestly no reason to even think of lower."

I took that as you having 4.7:1 as "low-low", not 10.7:1.

Tell me how that is remotely the same as me stating I'd like lower than 5.44:1 in low-low, given you're even lower than I am :homer: :laughing:

I run an AW4 with the doubler (now Atlas), each has their own preference.
 
Freerider15 said:
Wait, you said: "How low do you need? I have a 1-1, 2.28-1 and a 4.7-1 and it's complete over kill if I run both low range boxes with a manual. With a auto there's honestly no reason to even think of lower."

I took that as you having 4.7:1 as "low-low", not 10.7:1.
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That's the beauty of Toyota doublers....you can run a factory low, a 4.7:1 low or both.

Though that has nothing to do with your conversation....just being nostalgic about all the options.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Id actually like to see a tcase with lower than 1:1 high range, but I'm also aware I'm probably in the minority there also.
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Zuk shit is like that, not sure if just Sami cases or trackkick too, but I know I've seen it. A lot more economical for the home builder than gears axles IMO
 
posford said:
Zuk shit is like that, not sure if just Sami cases or trackkick too, but I know I've seen it. A lot more economical for the home builder than gears axles IMO
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Ya, I've had samurais for years. The tcase is awesome for what it is, currently 6.4 low, 1.7 high. Just only so much abuse a 23 lb tcase can take :laughing:

Track kick is 1:1, but factory 5.12 axle gears, so once you go larger than 26" tires, there is no real way to drop high range down.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Ya, I've had samurais for years. The tcase is awesome for what it is, currently 6.4 low, 1.7 high. Just only so much abuse a 23 lb tcase can take :laughing:
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Right, so that concept upscaled into a cast, not billet, aftermarket case that could handle more than 30 hp and not cost $10k would be pretty cool to see. Too niche of a market though

DERAIL CONTINUED : Apparently is a thing for certain LC transfer cases Sumo Gear 10% Underdrive High Range Gears - Fits 1986 & Newer 38mm Split T-Case
 
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posford said:
Right, so that concept upscaled into a cast, not billet, aftermarket case that could handle more than 30 hp and not cost $10k would be pretty cool to see. Too niche of a market though

DERAIL CONTINUED : Apparently is a thing for certain LC transfer cases Sumo Gear 10% Underdrive High Range Gears - Fits 1986 & Newer 38mm Split T-Case
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Enter the lt230. Low range is 3.31 iirc and high has a bunch of options from 1:1 to 1.7:1.

The problem is the adapters are currently like 30-50% of thebprice of a 2 speed atlas.

The rear aftermarket doesn't do it is that you need both outputs offset. Otherwise you basically end up with a 3 speed anyway. I'd actually be curious if hero could build a 2 speed case with both outputs offset and a 1.4 or 1.6 high using most of the parts they already make.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I'd actually be curious if hero could build a 2 speed case with both outputs offset and a 1.4 or 1.6 high using most of the parts they already make.
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That's a Hero 3sp 6X6 without the 1:1 gear.

Look at how the LT230 and Hero gearing works are and you'll understand
 
Bebop said:
That's a Hero 3sp 6X6 without the 1:1 gear.
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Thays what I'm saying

Bebop said:
Look at how the LT230 and Hero gearing works are and you'll understand
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I haven't seen cut aways, but for the most part all gear drive cases are pretty similar. The only thing I don't know is if with the 3 speed is are all three rows of gears used in low or is one gear set for mid and the other is for low with the 3rd obviously being for 1:1.

Not sure if i worded that in a way that makes sense.
 
low and mid use different gears.
Which is why you wouldn't gain anything by going 2sp with a lower than 1:1 high range since you'd still need the third row of gears to make it happen.
 
Bebop said:
low and mid use different gears.
Which is why you wouldn't gain anything by going 2sp with a lower than 1:1 high range since you'd still need the third row of gears to make it happen.
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As long as they don't use both sets of gears in combination for low, it should work. That's how a Sami case works at least.

Edit: so as far as i understand atlas/d300/205 the highrange gears are 1:1, power goes straight through the rear out put, then in 4hi, the power is transferred through the 1:1 gears to the front out put.

In low power is transferred through the low range gears to the front output, then back to the rear output through the same 1:1 gears.

In a samurai and assuming lt230, both out puts are in line, so neither set of gears needs to be 1:1. You are simply using one set or the other.

I assumed the 3 speed cases were just like the D300/atlas/205 but with an extra set of gears for the 2nd low range/mid range.

See I just want a tcase like a 4 speed atlas, but with offset outputs and a 1.5:1 low range, why so hard :flipoff2:
 
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YotaAtieToo said:
Enter the lt230. Low range is 3.31 iirc and high has a bunch of options from 1:1 to 1.7:1.

The problem is the adapters are currently like 30-50% of thebprice of a 2 speed atlas.

The rear aftermarket doesn't do it is that you need both outputs offset. Otherwise you basically end up with a 3 speed anyway. I'd actually be curious if hero could build a 2 speed case with both outputs offset and a 1.4 or 1.6 high using most of the parts they already make.
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With fabbed Toy 8" or 9" portals pushed off to the passenger side....that would be tits.
 
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