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Ddcrawler said:
But that is questionable look at companies like ORI even fox and king struggled over the past year.
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King may have had a long lead time, but my custom order showed up pretty damn close to when they said it would :shaking: (9 months FWIW)

The lead time isn't the issue, it's the outright lying about the lead times and stringing people along for months (years?) that is the issue. In the last two months, I have supposedly gone from 70th in line to 60th in line. At that rate, it is going to be another year before they ship and I have already been waiting for almost 7 months :homer:
 
willis_racing said:
Only reason I have any knowledge on the subjust is Broncoii here being on the list.

Imagine my reaction when Dirt Lifestyle got his for a project he's been working on for a couple of months and was pimping on it for a solid 5 minutes. :shaking:

I like Nate's content but knowing a bit of the context behind ordering those cases it came off as a bit tone-deaf to me. Must be nice having people just pull shit out of their ass for you because muh exposure.
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Noticed the Morr wrecker running a 205 now?
 
There had been no purposeful lieing on timelines. The process of getting the output shafts made was started before the bleepin jeep video first gear and shaft make kept fucking us over making promises that he never kept and eventually he just would get back to us that's when we went with other makers that did take a lot longer than they had promised. But it sucks when you invest in getting the parts made just to get ghosted by the business. Like I've said before I shared timelines given by the third parties because people deserve to know the current info I had at the time. But in hind sight sharing timelines that never got met didn't help matters but people like to hear something. I also had no idea they where not good timelines until the came and passed and then I would get a new one

The issues with matts prototype are being worked thru. He was in hurry to go to hammers so a stock np205 went in which he broke the rear out put on. Nates been in line for lot longer than everyone is assuming, he got in line before anyone knew of that project, he stopped in let us check it out on his way back from ultimate adventure when he picked it up.
 
Ddcrawler said:
There had been no purposeful lieing on timelines. The process of getting the output shafts made was started before the bleepin jeep video first gear and shaft make kept fucking us over making promises that he never kept and eventually he just would get back to us that's when we went with other makers that did take a lot longer than they had promised. But it sucks when you invest in getting the parts made just to get ghosted by the business. Like I've said before I shared timelines given by the third parties because people deserve to know the current info I had at the time. But in hind sight sharing timelines that never got met didn't help matters but people like to hear something. I also had no idea they where not good timelines until the came and passed and then I would get a new one

The issues with matts prototype are being worked thru. He was in hurry to go to hammers so a stock np205 went in which he broke the rear out put on. Nates been in line for lot longer than everyone is assuming, he got in line before anyone knew of that project, he stopped in let us check it out on his way back from ultimate adventure when he picked it up.
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After arm chair quarter backing Matt's crawl ratio you guys might not want Matt running your case.
 
Last time I checked 2.72×1.96= 5.3312 which is what he was told. 2.72 in the offroad design doubler and 1.96 in the np205.
 
Ddcrawler said:
Nates been in line for lot longer than everyone is assuming, he got in line before anyone knew of that project, he stopped in let us check it out on his way back from ultimate adventure when he picked it up.
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If Nate wasn't in line prior to Feb 25th of 2022 he jump at very least me and 15 other people.

Now I'm sitting here with a case in my car that, while still usable, is clearly not long for this world. I ordered one of these as an act of preventative maintenance because I knew my current case was in not fantastic shape but I figured I could get another year out of it at the time so 10-12 weeks shouldn't be a problem. The appeal of the MM case over the others was the fact that it should be a 100% bolt in swap and not require any other mods. Now I'm in a position where my junk may be in need of a case rebuild/replacement in the ramp up to our season and have to make a decision on what the fuck I have to do about it. It's a little too late to order an atlas at this point and I also don't really want to have to redo my seat mounts and driveshafts so here I am hoping that my 364 day old order magically shows up before my current case shits the bed.

But, you know, hope in one hand and shit in the other and all that... :shaking:

edit: don't take this as being mad at you I understand you are just relaying info from when you used to work there and I appreciate that.
 
I get it I have 3 crawlers all down waiting on a cases because we shipped our own parts to get customer cases out. I will probably just stick what ever in to get them going. I try to get motivated to go help them catch up on my days off but after I work 20 days of 15 hour shifts I just want to relax with the family for my ten days off.
 
CarterKraft said:
Worst case its 55:1 in low/low.
Output shafts aren't going to be happy.
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What am I missing? It's just a ls/auto/241/205 doubler right? That's usually plenty low for most anything with the V8.

Those big dumb axles can be pretty low also, down to ~13:1. Google says 6.86 is common, with a th400 or 4l80e, that's about 92:1. Unless he went and found the tallest gear version ~4.35s. Which would be absolutely retarded for that type of project. I'd want the lowest axle ratio I could get for a "giant wrecker"

Also, just from thumbnails, that thing looks like a pos :laughing:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
What am I missing? It's just a ls/auto/241/205 doubler right? That's usually plenty low for most anything with the V8.

Those big dumb axles can be pretty low also, down to ~13:1. Google says 6.86 is common, with a th400 or 4l80e, that's about 92:1. Unless he went and found the tallest gear version ~4.35s. Which would be absolutely retarded for that type of project. I'd want the lowest axle ratio I could get for a "giant wrecker"

Also, just from thumbnails, that thing looks like a pos :laughing:
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From my limited research of readily available narrow axles they might have a 5.65 final ratio in the axles but with 54" tires (I used 54" not the actual radius) that puts the crawl ratio at 55:1 and explains why it snaps inputs and outputs just by looking at the throttle.

I put some of this together in the MORR thread.
 
crazybluerider said:
If Nate wasn't in line prior to Feb 25th of 2022 he jump at very least me and 15 other people.
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I know of a couple that got orders in 6 months prior to when I placed mine, which was the same time as you did. I put it off awhile and was behind the 8 ball before I knew it.


Not at you but I swear some of you have never made anything before. These delays are not uncommon and it's a pain in the ass when you depend on vendors and they crap out on you. And the last 2 years have been really weird if no one hasn't noticed.

And who believe any of those people that have Youtube channels and what they say? It's reality tv and they amp everything up for the click. "I just got this" could mena it's been sitting in my shop for 6 months and it's just been installed or I've been waiting for 13 months for this and it just arrives. Don't assume nothing.
 
I wanna see some date stamped unboxing videos. Starting with mine. 😆
 
CarterKraft said:
From my limited research of readily available narrow axles they might have a 5.65 final ratio in the axles but with 54" tires (I used 54" not the actual radius) that puts the crawl ratio at 55:1 and explains why it snaps inputs and outputs just by looking at the throttle.

I put some of this together in the MORR thread.
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I'm not matching up with your math :flipoff2: but I agree, it needs lower axle gears for what he's trying to do. Even ~6.78s would only be putting it roughly back to stock (3.73/32s) and imo should be closer to 10:1 if possible.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I'm not matching up with your math :flipoff2: but I agree, it needs lower axle gears for what he's trying to do. Even ~6.78s would only be putting it roughly back to stock (3.73/32s) and imo should be closer to 10:1 if possible.
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In the new video it broke both TC input and output shafts at the same time.
It needs more shaft speed for that size of transfer case.


Edit: I'm not exactly sure what broke on the front, might be the end of the mid drive shaft. But definitely broke the rear 205 output shaft. It's unclear though if it is better than stock parts though...
 
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CarterKraft said:
In the new video it broke both TC input and output shafts at the same time.
It needs more shaft speed for that size of transfer case.


Edit: I'm not exactly sure what broke on the front, might be the end of the mid drive shaft. But definitely broke the rear 205 output shaft. It's unclear though if it is better than stock parts it broke a stock np205 rear output and the front driveline. He is going to upgrade to northwest fab outputs. We did suggest running a 6l80 trans but he thought the 4l80e would be plenty low.
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He is going to upgrade to northwest fab outputs. We did suggest running a 6l80 trans but he thought the 4l80e would be plenty low.
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The 4L80 has a 2.48 and the 6L80 has a 4.03 so that would be a big advantage but it seems like that would just make it easier to brake TC outputs and driveshafts with those big ass tires.

Do you know what there axle ratio is?
 
YotaAtieToo said:
It's basically just a giant Toyota running 1 tons, 42s and 4.10s.:laughing: you have enough gearing, but it's all in the tcase so you end up breaking tcases constantly :laughing:
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Not sure how they missed these points but it's probably not a issue on 35-37s, swinging those aired down 54's is a different deal.
 
CarterKraft said:
Not sure how they missed these points but it's probably not a issue on 35-37s, swinging those aired down 54's is a different deal.
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They missed it the same way everyone else does. They think the axles are the strongest thing and won’t ever break. They don’t do math on torque being multiplied as many times as it does because math is hard and knowing how it works doesn’t matter. I don’t know the strength of a Dana 300 input or output. I don’t know the breaking point of an AW4 output. I could do all the math I want but without knowing what I don’t know I’ll find out when it breaks. they did the same.
 
chaplinfj60 said:
he broke the out put on a 205? 32 spline or ????
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Not sure, I think stock based on his comments, could be anything though.
See the MORR thread for all my incorrect assumptions.
Cliffs IMO is that is needs 2-3x more driveshaft speed.
 
Ddcrawler said:
It sucks where timeliness have gotten to but they are still making cases and shipping. While I was working there we tried to to get everything to prepare for mass influx of orders we got after the bleeping jeep video. But in the long run moving to a bigger shop and buying equipment to try to streamline moving a larger volume of cases. But the prep we did was not enough after jb start delivery parts rather extended timelines. Rob in no way wants to rip people off. He started this from a small automotive repair business in his back yard shop and definitely having grow pains. He is working thru all the orders.

The hardest part is keeping up with customer service which is what I did while I was there and the quote un quoted were us sharing the timelines parts providers where giving us which almost never true which made us look bad. The crap thing is every little snag hurt us more than the other company's owned by investment firm with loads of money to throw at problems .

They are still working on filling everybody's orders not trying to screw anybody and are incredibly stressed doing and feel bad that that cant make the timelines given to people.. And they are working towards making all parts in house. Me I'm in the oilfield and glad to not be doing the customer service anymore but still love the case it shifters better than any atlas I have dealt with and with. I do miss assembling them and helping with technical questions.
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Once all internals have been acquired and the box milled…How long does it typically take to assemble a case and get it boxed up and sent out for shipment?
 
SteveJenkins said:
Once all internals have been acquired and the box milled…How long does it typically take to assemble a case and get it boxed up and sent out for shipment?
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Already answered above. 3 to 5 case per day
 
SteveJenkins said:
There must be more than one list they’re counting down from, if they’re pumping out that many.
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I didn't say they were producing an average volume of 3 to 5 cases per day.

I answered your question and said that it takes one day to assemble 3 to 5 cases if you have the material on hand, as per Ddcrawler input.
 
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