Michigan Supreme court - man vs police in chase

[rockmup]

Guy refused to identify or be detained and left. Court says he didn't have to and threw it all out.

Nice

https://www.woodtv.com/news/michigan/the-michigan-supreme-court-threw-out-a-fleeing-and-eluding-case-what-it-means-for-policing/

Douglas Prude was visiting his girlfriend at Fox Ridge Apartments in Kalamazoo on May 30, 2019, when he was approached by police. Two Kalamazoo Department of Public Safety officers on patrol asked his name, but he wouldn’t give it and said that he was visiting. The officers told him they were detaining him to find out whether he was trespassing, but he drove away. He was later arrested and charged with fleeing and eluding and resisting arrest.

“There was no reason to suspect Mr. Prude of any wrongdoing, and so (officers) had no right to detain him, and so it was not unlawful for him to drive away because the police orders themselves were unlawful,” John Zevalking, the attorney who represented Prude, told News 8.

 

[grumpy356]

No probable cause for the stop???

FUCK 'M

 

[Projectjunkie]

Am I being detained, or am I free to go?

Am I being detained or am I free to go?

Am I being detained or am I free to go?


Since you haven't told me I'm being detained, I'm leaving.

 

[Ummduh]

Had to go the way to the state Supreme Court though, that's a real problem. Never should have made it that far in the first place.

 

[JD Mark]

Despite having a majority in the MI SC, the commies made the correct decision.

Curious what the breakdown for the decision was.

Kalamazoo is a liberal shithole to begin with.

 

[BigBurt]

Had to go the way to the state Supreme Court though, that's a real problem. Never should have made it that far in the first place.

More people need to do this to normalize it.

More people in general need to know their rights.

 

[gunracer1]

When Deleeuw went to check an apartment complex database to see if Prude had been warned about trespassing there in past, Prude asked the other officer, Nathan Belen, whether he was being detained. Belen said he was.

hew was a convicted felon, my money says 100%, it got chucked because ninjas.

 

[87manche]

When Deleeuw went to check an apartment complex database to see if Prude had been warned about trespassing there in past, Prude asked the other officer, Nathan Belen, whether he was being detained. Belen said he was.

hew was a convicted felon, my money says 100%, it got chucked because ninjas.

Did he give his name before they went to check the database?

 

[bgaidan]

Did he give his name before they went to check the database?

We need to know your name so we can figure out if you're committing a crime or not.

 

[JD Mark]

Did he give his name before they went to check the database?

Problem is...they were assuming he was trespassing. Or maybe he was. Depends.

Doesn't rise to reasonable suspicion or cause or whatever. That whole freedom to travel thing.

 

[87manche]

Problem is...they were assuming he was trespassing. Or maybe he was. Depends.

Doesn't rise to reasonable suspicion or cause or whatever. That whole freedom to travel thing.

That's what I'm getting at but more to the point, how can they detain you while searching a database of names if they don't know your name?

 

[trampas]

Didn't read the whole article but in being charged... did they pursue him as he drove off or just show up at his place of residence with some kind of arrest warrant later?

Unimportant but curious about that

 

[animator]

Despite having a majority in the MI SC, the commies made the correct decision.

Curious what the breakdown for the decision was.

Kalamazoo is a liberal shithole to begin with.

Maybe they hate cops enough to take his side.

Makes you wonder if, in a conservative-leaning SC, they’d have sided with the cops.

 

[Thefishguy77]

That's what I'm getting at but more to the point, how can they detain you while searching a database of names if they don't know your name?

Well they identified the shooter the other day with DNA…, from a 20 year old kid with no social media and no outside life. Yea DNA on the 20 yo kid that was also in a balckrock commercial.

 

[SomeGuyFromOlympia]

shouldn't the property owner be there to say that there was indeed a Trespass?

fucking cops, they just make the rules up as they go

 

[JD Mark]

Didn't read the whole article but in being charged... did they pursue him as he drove off or just show up at his place of residence with some kind of arrest warrant later?

Unimportant but curious about that

I read the article awhile ago...I believe they did pursue him.

 

[87manche]

shouldn't the property owner be there to say that there was indeed a Trespass?

fucking cops, they just make the rules up as they go

This.
Cops can't solicit a trespass either.