Magnesium glycinate

[Chevy_man]

To clarify I take Benadryl. Been taking it for several years. The issue is that I take 4 to 6 a night. I usually stick with 4. Anymore I can feel it the next morning. I’ve tried Trazedone a couple of times. Both times it gave me fucked up dreams. As for working out I do that 5 days a week. I would just like to get more that 2 to 3 hours a night.

Now that you've got your body all fucked up and confused, you get to suffer through the hangover.

Take a vacation for a few weeks so that schedule isn't necessary and detox.

Then work on getting your body on a schedule.


Wife used to have sleeping issues. Then she started bartending and being on her feet for 5+ hours a day and they magically disappeared.
It did take weeks of no drugs to stabilize and get to where she can sleep for 8 hours every night.

 

[BCzuk]

I take a small glass of water before bed with this stuff and it seems to help. If I really need it I also take a 3mg dissolving melatonin. One of both can make for some wild dreams

Magnesium Citrate Powder Supplement ✔️ Natural Calm Canada

Natural Calm is the Better-Tasting, Better-Absorbing, Best-Loved Magnesium Drink. Our ionic magnesium citrate is proven to be the best magnesium supplement on the market. ⭐ Try some today!

naturalcalm.ca

 

[JD Mark]

Diphenhydramine (benny drill) is the devil in disguise, don't ask me to get into it, thanks.

Can you get into it?

 

[RusM]

Im going to sound like a dick
but try working harder, like physically putting in more work
split wood or something, you will sleep

when I can't sleep, I try to do this, go for a bike ride, cut some wood, weedeat, just do something

This, but it doesn't always work. The one time I've been working out hard enough (and eating hard enough) to have my top two and start to pop I was having serious sleep issues along with something else. I went to see my doc at the time, who was the AMA version of a chiropractor, he told me the same thing when I asked for something to help me sleep.

I did a Mr Olympia pose and asked him if it looked like I was slacking.

 

[the conservative atheist]

Good old benadryl is still the best for my allergies. I haven't found any of the newer generation antihistamines like Zyrtec to work as well. But that may just be because you can't suffer from allergies when you're in a coma.

 

[Texas97]

Good old benadryl is still the best for my allergies. I haven't found any of the newer generation antihistamines like Zyrtec to work as well. But that may just be because you can't suffer from allergies when you're in a coma.

i believe your body gets used to certain allergy meds and they needed to be rotated out. i used to take Zyrtec, it caused migranes/headaches, switched to allegra and it quit working, swapped to Xyzal and it seems to be good for now, but i think if it doesnt work for a period of time, ill rotate back through again.

 

[trampas]

Can you get into it?

You bending my arm?

 

[JD Mark]

You bending my arm?

I've been hearing rumors about it, so yes, I am genuinely curious about it.

 

[trampas]

I've been hearing rumors about it, so yes, I am genuinely curious about it.

Ok so (without specifics to your personal experiences) i'll share an outline of medical issues for ya.

As taken by people here (who are generally speaking, the over-45~50 club) for sleep inducing, yes it IS an oneirogen. If i may speak to the chronic users taking 25~50mg daily, they're looking at some long term effects. Anything more than 50mg daily or even 50mg routinely, is pushing those effects further.

It dries out your body. From the digestive tract, brain, and on up to your eyeballs. It blocks histamine, therefore should only be involved temporarily vs term usage which can cause dementia, psychosis, hallucinations, and even seizures!

And so, clinical issues that may arise such as decreased red blood cell levels, a faster heart rate BUT... accompanied with lower blood pressure. That, can become systemic over time, where term use (again) can lead a condition into a syndrome. Bad fukn news.

I'm eating a leftover pork chop lunch right now which isn't really a healthy meal, but i can offset that knowing i'm not taking any benadryl, ever, period.

Some side notes on effects can be typically - mood changes, inflammation of fatty cells, vertigo, liver toxicity, delirium, coma, and even be an all cause mortality of your demise via heart problems.

Dimethylethanamine as it's known is listed on chemical safety data sheets as an irritant, and even registers currently as a poison, wherein it's derived from ether ethanol. Almost all drugs have toxic levels of use, but benadryl is a 1st gen Rx from way back because... ? My guess is NOT that it's a perfect drug, instead it's a very toxic substance where no revisions are even contemplated by the scientific community... ymmv but ya, no thanks.

 

[trampas]

Not that anyone gives a fuck, i've taken benadryl all of 1 time. It was a single 25mg pill, right around 30 years ago. Effin hated it. Let my girlfriend talk me into taking one because of anxiety at bedtime, where she would take them (at nighttime) as a supplement to a glass of wine to get to sleep quicker because she drank coffee like water all damn day. Fuck that crap, i thought.

edit; now that i think about the effects that one time, it sucked because i went to sleep that night not only with anxiety (from the day's activities) but also with a drug induced "euphoria". Great. Now i have 2 conditions to get through the night with. I remember waking up the next morning with mild dizziness and a sparkly sensation in the skin on my face. Total bullshit, imo.

 

[Lumberjack]

Ok so (without specifics to your personal experiences) i'll share an outline of medical issues for ya.

As taken by people here (who are generally speaking, the over-45~50 club) for sleep inducing, yes it IS an oneirogen. If i may speak to the chronic users taking 25~50mg daily, they're looking at some long term effects. Anything more than 50mg daily or even 50mg routinely, is pushing those effects further.

It dries out your body. From the digestive tract, brain, and on up to your eyeballs. It blocks histamine, therefore should only be involved temporarily vs term usage which can cause dementia, psychosis, hallucinations, and even seizures!

And so, clinical issues that may arise such as decreased red blood cell levels, a faster heart rate BUT... accompanied with lower blood pressure. That, can become systemic over time, where term use (again) can lead a condition into a syndrome. Bad fukn news.

I'm eating a leftover pork chop lunch right now which isn't really a healthy meal, but i can offset that knowing i'm not taking any benadryl, ever, period.

Some side notes on effects can be typically - mood changes, inflammation of fatty cells, vertigo, liver toxicity, delirium, coma, and even be an all cause mortality of your demise via heart problems.

Dimethylethanamine as it's known is listed on chemical safety data sheets as an irritant, and even registers currently as a poison, wherein it's derived from ether ethanol. Mostly all drugs have toxic levels of use, but benadryl is a 1st gen Rx from way back because... ? My guess is NOT that it's a perfect drug, instead it's a VERY toxic substance where no revisions are even contemplated by the scientific community... ymmv but ya, no thanks.

So what would be the drug of choice for allergies, all the other over the counter stuff doesn't unstuff the nose at night so I can use my nasel CPAP mask. I use a full face when I have to but events go up and don't feel as rested. I would love an alternative, I tend to keep my meds minimal if possible.

 

[BigBurt]

What's your "pill of choice" Benadryl?

Maybe he likes the hat man and the spiders

 

[BigBurt]

To clarify I take Benadryl. Been taking it for several years. The issue is that I take 4 to 6 a night. I usually stick with 4. Anymore I can feel it the next morning. I’ve tried Trazedone a couple of times. Both times it gave me fucked up dreams. As for working out I do that 5 days a week. I would just like to get more that 2 to 3 hours a night.

Holy shit really?

That amount would make me trip balls. I know I was joking about the “hat man” and his spiders but if I take two of them I will wake up dry as a cactus and I will see all these crazy things and will fluctuate in and out of sleep while doing so. I’ve also gone for some crazy complex sleep walking/activities while on Benadryl

 

[trampas]

So what would be the drug of choice for allergies, all the other over the counter stuff doesn't unstuff the nose at night so I can use my nasel CPAP mask. I use a full face when I have to but events go up and don't feel as rested. I would love an alternative, I tend to keep my meds minimal if possible.

I really couldn't say, none of us are the same. There's some good tips in this thread regarding combination therapies i.e. small melatonin doses (5mg or less eg) coupled with magnesium etc. Benadryl won't kill you to take in the smallest available dosages on occasion, but it will unnaturally stifle histamine levels if taken routinely.

If you want change you've got to try something different, exercise, night time tea, a change of diet, don't eat within 6hrs of bedtime, reduction of sugar or caffeine intake, whatever...

The best thing for getting TO sleep (not necessarily quality of) is to learn the 'turn off your brain' method that actually works for you. I have mastered my ability to do that but sleep patients have little luck with it. My brother is my opposite, he can't get to sleep for hours while lying dead still because he doesn't know how to turn his brain off. He suffers for it daily.

 

[Lumberjack]

I really couldn't say, none of us are the same. There's some good tips in this thread regarding combination therapies i.e. small melatonin doses (5mg or less eg) coupled with magnesium etc. Benadryl won't kill you to take in the smallest available dosages on occasion, but it will unnaturally stifle histamine levels if taken routinely.

If you want change you've got to try something different, exercise, night time tea, a change of diet, don't eat within 6hrs of bedtime, reduction of sugar or caffeine intake, whatever...

The best thing for getting TO sleep (not necessarily quality of) is to learn the 'turn off your brain' method that actually works for you. I have mastered my ability to do that but sleep patients have little luck with it. My brother is my opposite, he can't get to sleep for hours while lying dead still because he doesn't know how to turn his brain off. He suffers for it daily.

Actually for me getting to sleep isn't the problem, I can set my watch at 8:00 when I start sneezing then nose gets stuffed. Not sure what caused that, I have looked for a common trigger like AC kicking on but no luck. Have tried several holistic methods and OTC meds, Benadryl seems to be the only one to clear the nose so I don't gasp for air when I put on the CPAP, take it probably 4 nights a week. I feel I sleep better when I don't take it but the nose decides. I take magnesium glycinate, k2, and and d3 in the morning, no caffeine, rarely drink, and working on the weight. Both hips need replaced and SI Joints trashed so it's difficult. Cut out almost all suger and gluten for other issues. Was hoping there was something I was missing.

 

[trampas]

As an addendum, i truly feel for anyone with bad allergies as i don't have any. But think of it this way, your body is releasing histamine naturally to combat irritants. Benadryl significantly reduces those releases. Yet benadryl itself, is an irritant. A synthesized, irritant. I trust my body to deal with irritants over anything synthesized but again i do not suffer from allergies.

Don't know what else to say or do. The drug market is there to help but they only have minimal options for these conditions so it's up to us collectively to structure a personalized pathway to wellness, albeit for sleep aids or a stuffy nose. Take your condition into your own hands and make (subtle, at first) changes one by one as tolerated, if necessary.

Hth

 

[trampas]

Actually for me getting to sleep isn't the problem, I can set my watch at 8:00 when I start sneezing then nose gets stuffed. Not sure what caused that, I have looked for a common trigger like AC kicking on but no luck. Have tried several holistic methods and OTC meds, Benadryl seems to be the only one to clear the nose so I don't gasp for air when I put on the CPAP, take it probably 4 nights a week. I feel I sleep better when I don't take it but the nose decides. I take magnesium glycinate, k2, and and d3 in the morning, no caffeine, rarely drink, and working on the weight. Both hips need replaced and SI Joints trashed so it's difficult. Cut out almost all suger and gluten for other issues. Was hoping there was something I was missing.

Ok, good details.

Without personal knowledge of your doctor's relationship with your stuffy nose condition, have you had blood panels done over the years? Any recently?

Since you're taking K2 and D, make sure to take them together! With the glycinate intake, it's a good point to know that are you taking enough. Almost everyone, every one of us, is magnesium deficient. Myself, i take 1900mg of bysglycinate magnesium. Every day, in 3 measured dosages.

 

[Lumberjack]

Yes to taking the k2 and vitamin D at same time with the magnesium, I believe it was you in another thread, maybe dirtdvl or COVID thread, that recommended the combo to get the vitamin D to absorb... Thank you. Was getting nowhere taking just vitamin D alone, now I am spot on.

Will be getting another round of being a pin cushion soon so I will have them check magnesium. Will also ask about allergy options. Someday I will have to create a thread to see what the IBB docs have to say, read between the bs and you will find some good advice haha.

 

[trampas]

Curious if you've ever had full allergy test panels done before. I don't know enough about allergies to comment, but an allergist may/may not be expensive (i'm betting yes) and probably not covered by insurance but in your case, maybe worth going down that road just once?

 

[JD Mark]

Ok so (without specifics to your personal experiences) i'll share an outline of medical issues for ya.

As taken by people here (who are generally speaking, the over-45~50 club) for sleep inducing, yes it IS an oneirogen. If i may speak to the chronic users taking 25~50mg daily, they're looking at some long term effects. Anything more than 50mg daily or even 50mg routinely, is pushing those effects further.

It dries out your body. From the digestive tract, brain, and on up to your eyeballs. It blocks histamine, therefore should only be involved temporarily vs term usage which can cause dementia, psychosis, hallucinations, and even seizures!

And so, clinical issues that may arise such as decreased red blood cell levels, a faster heart rate BUT... accompanied with lower blood pressure. That, can become systemic over time, where term use (again) can lead a condition into a syndrome. Bad fukn news.

I'm eating a leftover pork chop lunch right now which isn't really a healthy meal, but i can offset that knowing i'm not taking any benadryl, ever, period.

Some side notes on effects can be typically - mood changes, inflammation of fatty cells, vertigo, liver toxicity, delirium, coma, and even be an all cause mortality of your demise via heart problems.

Dimethylethanamine as it's known is listed on chemical safety data sheets as an irritant, and even registers currently as a poison, wherein it's derived from ether ethanol. Almost all drugs have toxic levels of use, but benadryl is a 1st gen Rx from way back because... ? My guess is NOT that it's a perfect drug, instead it's a very toxic substance where no revisions are even contemplated by the scientific community... ymmv but ya, no thanks.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Learned quite a bit, including that Benadryl is dipewhatever.

I have been taking ibufrofen PM off and on for awhile to help with sleep. 99.9% of the time just one, not the full dose. Mainly to help me fall back asleep after waking up. Mostly stress induced lack of ability to fall back asleep. Could be age related as well.

I've never taken the full dose more than once a week, and only then I can count on one hand how many times I have.

I'm going to stop taking any now and just live with not falling back asleep right away. Way back when I could go to a fire call (instant adrenaline rush) and fall back asleep immediately when I got home. As I got older, it started taking longer and longer. After retiring, it was a spring and fall issue...going into the different seasons with my company. Too much work, too little work, too many employees, too few employees. It would even out as we got into the season. Now it's been going on several months.

I've tried a few sleep supplements with mixed results. Other than , that always works. Falling asleep isn't an issue. I'm usually asleep within a minute of laying down. And I can sleep anywhere.

I'm not a huge medicine fan. I took one of my wife's Vicodin for a bad headache once...never again. I don't even like the nitrous at the dentist, but I refuse to get my face numbed. Did it once for a crown, never again. They can't believe I just get the gas for crowns. Whatever, the pain goes away.

Since I'm new here, out of curiousity, what is your background? Obviously you know your stuff, just nosy.

 

[JD Mark]

My seasonal allergies seem to be getting worse as I get older, still not bad enough to take anything for them.

My son on the other hand...his pediatrician should have had his license revoked. For years we would bring him in, this guy would diagnose a sinus infection prescribe antibiotics and move on. Kid was on antibiotics for like 11 months out of the year.

Brought him in again, normal doc/idiot was out, this guy walks in and says "He looks like he has allergies, has he been tested?"

Got him to the allergist for the poke test and within 30 seconds he started reacting. Basically everything environmental and pet related. No food allergies. He tried the shots for awhile, got sick of it. Just started again. Usually ends up in urgent care in the spring, about the time the tree and grass pollen are both out. Generally takes Zyrtec, not Benadryl.

I am fairly confident that a lot of his allergies have to do with the number of vaccines he was given. Born in '95 so the questions regarding vaccinating for everything under the sun wasn't out there much yet. If I could do it over, he wouldn't get most of them.

 

[Socsmm6]

Well just dont chase ambien with a couple of shots of 100 proof bourbon. Things can get a little crazy and apparently you wont remember.

 

[Squamch]

I take a small glass of water before bed with this stuff and it seems to help. If I really need it I also take a 3mg dissolving melatonin. One of both can make for some wild dreams

Magnesium Citrate Powder Supplement ✔️ Natural Calm Canada

Natural Calm is the Better-Tasting, Better-Absorbing, Best-Loved Magnesium Drink. Our ionic magnesium citrate is proven to be the best magnesium supplement on the market. ⭐ Try some today!

naturalcalm.ca

That's exactly the shit my wife uses.


Melatonin gives me the least restful sleep ever. Might as well stay awake and do things. Feels like detox/strung out sleep.

 

[junkytj]

I have a lotion with magnesium in it. I usually put on muscles that chronically cramp. I have noticed that I sleep better also, but could be from the exertion I was worried about the cramps for too. Everything I've read about magnesium is that it is a slower release through the skin and gets to where it needs to go better that way also. Holistic medicine articles are hard for me to buy 100%, so take it for what it is, a single first hand account with zero scientific research.

 

[Lumberjack]

I feel the same way about holistic stuff, my mother is always trying this and that, enough to drive you nuts. But on the other hand was getting terrible neoropathy from my feet, doc did all the beetus tests and vitamin D, it was in the single digits. She prescribed 60000 unit of vitamin D but it did nothing, reading here in some other thread trampas mentioned magnesium and k2, within 2 weeks the neoropathy in the feet was all but gone.
Then for almost 8 months I was having chest pressure, went through the hole nuke stress test and such, dimer-d was high and they ordered a scan for DVT but insurance denied it and I had already used my savings for the nuke test so it didn't get done. Was also waiting to see the rheumatologist. My mother suggested bromelain. Again within 2 weeks the chest pressure released and have been feeling way better.

Getting old Sucks!

 

[DVanVorous]

wife swears by the magnesium. they just published a nig study that it has long term health benefits etc

me, i just gave up caffeine cold turkey in May. fall asleep whenever I want to

FWIW, magnesium proper does a bang up job for me on leg cramps that happen at night. For me anyway, magnesium citrate form doesn't do the same thing, never tried the glycinate version. As to sleeping...I can drink a cup of coffee at 9-10PM and be out like a light the minute the head hits the pillow. Now 3 No Doz all taken at the same time? That can sometimes cause a bit of jitters.

 

[trampas]

I feel the same way about holistic stuff, my mother is always trying this and that, enough to drive you nuts. But on the other hand was getting terrible neoropathy from my feet, doc did all the beetus tests and vitamin D, it was in the single digits. She prescribed 60000 unit of vitamin D but it did nothing, reading here in some other thread trampas mentioned magnesium and k2, within 2 weeks the neoropathy in the feet was all but gone.
Then for almost 8 months I was having chest pressure, went through the hole nuke stress test and such, dimer-d was high and they ordered a scan for DVT but insurance denied it and I had already used my savings for the nuke test so it didn't get done. Was also waiting to see the rheumatologist. My mother suggested bromelain. Again within 2 weeks the chest pressure released and have been feeling way better.

Getting old Sucks!

60,000 iu? That's over prescribing in anything under a week or 2 - seriously. 5,000 iu could be a normal daily for deficiency, where 10,000 iu should be the maximum.

In addition to the perineuropathy, did you experience retention (swelling) in your ankles? Curious...

 

[Lumberjack]

60,000 iu? That's over prescribing in anything under a week or 2 - seriously. 5,000 iu could be a normal daily for deficiency, where 10,000 iu should be the maximum.

In addition to the perineuropathy, did you experience retention (swelling) in your ankles? Curious...

If I remember correctly it once a week for 4 weeks straight vitamin D, switched to 5000 ui d3 then to 2000. Last 6 months has been 2000 every other day and I get it checked every year. Ankles have been Ok. Bit of light pain in a varicose vein on my right calf but gone with bromelain, in fact the varicose dropped by about 80% in size.

Now I also have 1:640 high ana and and blood counts were both out of spec. Blood counts back to normal, ana still high, hence the rheumatologist. They did test for Lupus and RA, both came back negative, that took 8 months and once the test came back negative they were done, X-rays showed hips and SI joint arthritis so they recommended PT.

On to my 6th doc, other 5 moved, quit, whatever but he get me into an Ortho, they set me up for a cortisone shot to make sure it was the right hip causing the pain and left me with on your next visit we'll discuss hip replacement. Go to get shot, that doc says bet that hurts, your bone on bone. Shot took away 80% pain, followup in 4 weeks with Ortho for next steps. Oh and just got a letter my cardiologist is moving, so I will need to find another one for clearance on hip surgery...yay

 

[trampas]

If I remember correctly it once a week for 4 weeks straight vitamin D, switched to 5000 ui d3 then to 2000. Last 6 months has been 2000 every other day and I get it checked every year. Ankles have been Ok. Bit of light pain in a varicose vein on my right calf but gone with bromelain, in fact the varicose dropped by about 80% in size.

Now I also have 1:640 high ana and and blood counts were both out of spec. Blood counts back to normal, ana still high, hence the rheumatologist. They did test for Lupus and RA, both came back negative, that took 8 months and once the test came back negative they were done, X-rays showed hips and SI joint arthritis so they recommended PT.

On to my 6th doc, other 5 moved, quit, whatever but he get me into an Ortho, they set me up for a cortisone shot to make sure it was the right hip causing the pain and left me with on your next visit we'll discuss hip replacement. Go to get shot, that doc says bet that hurts, your bone on bone. Shot took away 80% pain, followup in 4 weeks with Ortho for next steps. Oh and just got a letter my cardiologist is moving, so I will need to find another one for clearance on hip surgery...yay

Been there done that, with medical doctors moving to another area... dropping 1 ins co for another, or vacating practice altogether. Sucks wampum.

If your anas are that high you may have titer/patterns with a near immediate risk of hepatitis, among many others i'm certain you know of that are potentially a bastion of health issues, sorry to hear.

Those D3 numbers are much more consistent with insufficiencies vs deficiency. The difference being deficient is dire where insufficient is not. I'm taking 2500~3500 daily from deficiency going back to covid (ii) over the past 2 years and i didn't know it. My numbers went way down from the lockdown lack of daily sunlight as i started working indoors 6 days a week.

It takes A LOT of D3 intake to bring the numbers up when you're not getting very much daily sun.

 

[Lumberjack]

If your anas are that high you may have titer/patterns with a near immediate risk of hepatitis, among many others i'm certain you know of that are potentially a bastion of health issues, sorry to hear.

Yep, not fun...

Vitamin D numbers took a couple years, now it is in the middle so kinda a maintenance program now. Thanks for your insight.