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Looking for feedback on Lexus GX470(was Mercedes GLE/ML)

I'm okay with turning a wrench... wrapped up timing belt on the 3.4L earlier this year(:confused:) and will be wrapping up front end rebuild shortly.
My point was that "hurr durr german car maintenance" isn't actually a financial burden if you're not paying someone else to do it.

The 2nd gen tundra was not as brick shithouse quality built as the 1st gen.
And the first gen was basically a Dodge Dakota competitor or T100 replacement. Not exactly a fullsize truck.
 
I'm going to dissent on the om642 opinions on here. Yes the oils cooler leak sucks, but it's a one time fix. Everything I've seen says the updated gaskets work and at this point I'd say most have had this done.

The carbon buildup is easy to fix with a tune.

Injectors are easy to swap when they need service. I'd pick doing a whole set vs 1 injector in a power stroke.

The trans I had was very picky. Fill was based on fuild temp and anything over or under made it act weird. But as long as you follow the chart it works.

Tons of smooth power, towing was great up to the limits of the chassis. Pretty easy to maintain, easy to tune.

Mine was in a wk grand Cherokee and if I could have put that drivetrain in something that didn't fall apart around it would have been nice. Or jeep not breaking the 4wd with an update and then not being able to fix it reliably years later
 
For real a 2011-12 L322 Supercharged is a dream to drive and the 10-13 LR4 are super great too. Only thing about the LR4 I don’t like is the big rear bed but huge cargo area and the lack of ventilated seats. But I might hav found a workaround on that.

All that said the l320 sport is great too.

As long as you maintain them we are seeing 400k plus miles on some now.
 
My point was that "hurr durr german car maintenance" isn't actually a financial burden if you're not paying someone else to do it.


And the first gen was basically a Dodge Dakota competitor or T100 replacement. Not exactly a fullsize truck.
Bullshit. Evey bit as big as the same generation F150.
 
And the first gen was basically a Dodge Dakota competitor or T100 replacement. Not exactly a fullsize truck.

The T100 was dimunitive no contest there. But the 1st gen tundra was in the same league as the competition at the time;
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Chevette Diesel.
:lmao::homer: I've already got a 70s Civic shell waiting for some TDI love so I've got that size/use covered:flipoff2:

I'm pulling new questions specific for GX470 to this post:

1) How good is the 2uz engine? It appears to be pretty bullet proof with what seems to be typical "replace timing belt at 90k" requirement.
2) How solid is the transmission? I've been jaded against autos since 700r4 hell(four in under 100k)
3) For the year range 05 to 09, are any of them better or worse?
4) Is the nav stuff that bad? I get the impression that hard core GX470 searchers try to avoid it and find the unicorns that didn't have it. I won't be using it as I have a stand alone GPS that I favor especially due to location.
 
Man I can't speak to the GX470, but my 363k mile LX470 with the 2UZ and auto is very solid. Bought it with 250k 9 years ago and really haven't done anything to it aside from timing belt, starter, alternator and other minor stuff.

Edit: took it up to Wyoming a couple of weeks ago and actually checked the MPG. 15 while going through the mountains.
 
all year GX470’s got the A750, which is about the only auto trans I’ve actually liked. Smooth as hell, and does all the right things at the right time.

2UZ is probably the best engine Toyota made. I have an 04 GX that I’m rescuing from a field and an 06 tundra. The VVTi version has more power for sure, but the regular version is no slouch. Service isn’t hugely different, cam seals are easier on the early one. I wouldn’t let VVTi be my decision maker. In my tundra, I wanted it to get the 5 speed vs the 4 speed trans. GX gets it either way.

I’m currently waiting for the rain to stop so I can finish welding the frame back together on the GX. Look for rust, pretty common. Preformed high quality repair pieces are available from safe-t-cap to make it a pretty painless repair. Can pick up one for very cheap that is otherwise clean. Mine was blown out on the bottom of the passenger side, but the sides of the rails were rock solid. Easy fix.
 
:lmao::homer: I've already got a 70s Civic shell waiting for some TDI love so I've got that size/use covered:flipoff2:

I'm pulling new questions specific for GX470 to this post:

1) How good is the 2uz engine? It appears to be pretty bullet proof with what seems to be typical "replace timing belt at 90k" requirement.
2) How solid is the transmission? I've been jaded against autos since 700r4 hell(four in under 100k)
3) For the year range 05 to 09, are any of them better or worse?
4) Is the nav stuff that bad? I get the impression that hard core GX470 searchers try to avoid it and find the unicorns that didn't have it. I won't be using it as I have a stand alone GPS that I favor especially due to location.
I wanted less complex so i grabbed a Sequoia. All that Nav stuff and Aftermarket radios is something i didn't wanna mess with.

I like the 2uz after shorty headers to get a few more in the midrange. Its in front of stock replacement stainless exhaust and cats so take it for what its worth. But the 2uz is no 4.8LS. My 04 is just past 200 k and doesn't burn or leak oil. Replace the timing belt and run it is what im told.
When i got mine it had bad shift solenoids so i replaced them, replaced the factory transmission cooler with a 40k cooler and flushed out the fluid every 4k miles. Seems to be pretty great so far.

Not sure on the Lexus but Toyota went Can Bus J in 05. 03 and older has smaller ball joints or something.

I talked to a guy in the city who has a GX with 700k+ on it.
 
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I wouldn’t let VVTi be my decision maker. In my tundra, I wanted it to get the 5 speed vs the 4 speed trans. GX gets it either way.

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The VVTi is a zero needle pusher for me. But, it just so happens that VVTi started the same year as the tow rating went 6500(???) across the board. 2004 required a specific option otherwise it was 5500. The 6500 rating for me is a deal breaker as are a clean title and being 'solid'. I don't want a project.

I'm not certain there is any options that impact me one way or another.

I'd rather have a light colored one but not a deal breaker.

The only initial changes I have planned are 'plate' rear bumper, sliders, and maybe 'plate' front bumper. No lift or big tires. No power adders. Big transmission cooler is being planned. More than likely, no lockers but I want to see how it does in snow/ice on road. The Tacoma rear e-locker was kind of nice at times.

I wanted less complex so i grabbed a Sequoia. All that Nav stuff and Aftermarket radios is something i didn't wanna mess with.

I like the 2uz after shorty headers to get a few more in the midrange. Its in front of stock replacement stainless exhaust and cats so take it for what its worth. But the 2uz is no 4.8LS. My 04 is just past 200 k and doesn't burn or leak oil. Replace the timing belt and run it is what im told.
When i got mine it had bad shift solenoids so i replaced them, replaced the factory transmission cooler with a 40k cooler and flushed out the fluid every 4k miles. Seems to be pretty great so far.

Not sure on the Lexus but Toyota went Can Bus J in 05. 03 and older has smaller ball joints or something.

I talked to a guy in the city who has a GX with 700k+ on it.
Sadly, I'm not sure there is a CARB(Calif BS) approved header or other power adders. But not planning on it. It will be an upgrade from 190hp of worn out 3.4L engine(315k miles)
 
The VVTi is a zero needle pusher for me. But, it just so happens that VVTi started the same year as the tow rating went 6500(???) across the board. 2004 required a specific option otherwise it was 5500. The 6500 rating for me is a deal breaker as are a clean title and being 'solid'. I don't want a project.

I'm not certain there is any options that impact me one way or another.

I'd rather have a light colored one but not a deal breaker.

The only initial changes I have planned are 'plate' rear bumper, sliders, and maybe 'plate' front bumper. No lift or big tires. No power adders. Big transmission cooler is being planned. More than likely, no lockers but I want to see how it does in snow/ice on road. The Tacoma rear e-locker was kind of nice at times.


Sadly, I'm not sure there is a CARB(Calif BS) approved header or other power adders. But not planning on it. It will be an upgrade from 190hp of worn out 3.4L engine(315k miles)
Unless you are worried about legalities, there were no differences in the brakes/trans/other important shit for towing. I’ve heard the 460 brakes are an easy swap for more stopping power.
 
The VVTi is a zero needle pusher for me. But, it just so happens that VVTi started the same year as the tow rating went 6500(???) across the board. 2004 required a specific option otherwise it was 5500. The 6500 rating for me is a deal breaker as are a clean title and being 'solid'. I don't want a project.

I'm not certain there is any options that impact me one way or another.

I'd rather have a light colored one but not a deal breaker.

The only initial changes I have planned are 'plate' rear bumper, sliders, and maybe 'plate' front bumper. No lift or big tires. No power adders. Big transmission cooler is being planned. More than likely, no lockers but I want to see how it does in snow/ice on road. The Tacoma rear e-locker was kind of nice at times.


Sadly, I'm not sure there is a CARB(Calif BS) approved header or other power adders. But not planning on it. It will be an upgrade from 190hp of worn out 3.4L engine(315k miles)
I think you will like the added torque of the 2uz. Deeper gears are available, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say a rear locker is a must. Not much down travel stock.

You can't complain about the tow ratings of the year era Japan SUV's when the domestics are much higher. As we get older we tend to forget the threads at the old place of adding air bags, W/D hitches and e rated tires. Same era F350 can only pull 10K
 
I think you will like the added torque of the 2uz. Deeper gears are available, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say a rear locker is a must. Not much down travel stock.

You can't complain about the tow ratings of the year era Japan SUV's when the domestics are much higher. As we get older we tend to forget the threads at the old place of adding air bags, W/D hitches and e rated tires. Same era F350 can only pull 10K
I haven't looked at locker options yet but 50% will. I will state again that this will not be any type of wheeler. I may hit logging roads. Rubicon will be hit with a FJ55.

My concern over the rating is only to the extent that it is more appropriate to the load I'm going to tow. Given how fucked up our society is, I'm not up for the risk of insurance denial and/or suit due to "your vehicle didn't have tow rating for xyz pounds".

The S10 and Tacoma I have currently aren't in sniffing distance although the S10 was able to pull it off(pun intended) Yes, I broke the 'rule' above.

I know there are other items that can help in towing. I may look into W/D hitch after I see how it does. The GX470 already is airbagged:homer:

In the real world, I'd just buy a won-ton dually and not worry about it. But Calif fucks people on truck registration... I'm not willing to pay several hundred a year in registration plus paying for it.
 
I haven't looked at locker options yet but 50% will. I will state again that this will not be any type of wheeler. I may hit logging roads. Rubicon will be hit with a FJ55.

My concern over the rating is only to the extent that it is more appropriate to the load I'm going to tow. Given how fucked up our society is, I'm not up for the risk of insurance denial and/or suit due to "your vehicle didn't have tow rating for xyz pounds".

The S10 and Tacoma I have currently aren't in sniffing distance although the S10 was able to pull it off(pun intended) Yes, I broke the 'rule' above.

I know there are other items that can help in towing. I may look into W/D hitch after I see how it does. The GX470 already is airbagged:homer:

In the real world, I'd just buy a won-ton dually and not worry about it. But Calif fucks people on truck registration... I'm not willing to pay several hundred a year in registration plus paying for it.
Montana LLC. :homer:
 
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Food for thought. You can rent an F250 from enterprise to tow big. Just make sure your insurance policy will cover rentals when towing. When my Big truck goes to work elsewhere I will most likely rent a truck to tow my trail rig. It took the hard to attain towing requirement off the daily driver for me.
 
Food for thought. You can rent an F250 from enterprise to tow big. Just make sure your insurance policy will cover rentals when towing. When my Big truck goes to work elsewhere I will most likely rent a truck to tow my trail rig. It took the hard to attain towing requirement off the daily driver for me.
Great point. That was my fallback for larger tows. The GX470 meets other needs and the higher tow rating covers 'typical' expected towing; large piles of wood, multiple HD bags of rock/sand, concrete blocks, 'smaller' cars, etc.

The smaller cars are along the lines of s10 blazer size(~3500lbs)
 
For real a 2011-12 L322 Supercharged is a dream to drive and the 10-13 LR4 are super great too. Only thing about the LR4 I don’t like is the big rear bed but huge cargo area and the lack of ventilated seats. But I might hav found a workaround on that.

All that said the l320 sport is great too.

As long as you maintain them we are seeing 400k plus miles on some now.
So the LR4’s aren’t the giant money pits that their bigger brothers are? I love me some British shit but the reliability of the big RR’s scare me to death.
 
So the LR4’s aren’t the giant money pits that their bigger brothers are? I love me some British shit but the reliability of the big RR’s scare me to death.
Eh it’s loaded question. Most failures now are caused by shops screwing stuff up and/or owners not realizing it needs to be fixed
. If you competently maintain them they aren’t bad.
 
For real a 2011-12 L322 Supercharged is a dream to drive and the 10-13 LR4 are super great too. Only thing about the LR4 I don’t like is the big rear bed but huge cargo area and the lack of ventilated seats. But I might hav found a workaround on that.

All that said the l320 sport is great too.

As long as you maintain them we are seeing 400k plus miles on some now.
What's the model Clarkson and the Harry's Garage guy both love?

I had a gx and I liked it, if you're wanting a wheeler/driver instead of a driver/wheeler I'd totally get one again. If you're wanting the other way get an LX. :smokin:
 
What's the model Clarkson and the Harry's Garage guy both love?

I had a gx and I liked it, if you're wanting a wheeler/driver instead of a driver/wheeler I'd totally get one again. If you're wanting the other way get an LX. :smokin:
L322 TDV8 which isn’t avail in the US.

I absolutely love my L322. 181k miles and it’s doing ok.

The GX is likely the best SUV you can buy for SUV stuff though
 
My point was that "hurr durr german car maintenance" isn't actually a financial burden if you're not paying someone else to do it.


And the first gen was basically a Dodge Dakota competitor or T100 replacement. Not exactly a fullsize truck.
Not true. The V8 models towed similarly to the same year domestic 1/2 tons. I have had all except the dodge and towed with all.
 
I haven't looked at locker options yet but 50% will. I will state again that this will not be any type of wheeler. I may hit logging roads. Rubicon will be hit with a FJ55.

My concern over the rating is only to the extent that it is more appropriate to the load I'm going to tow. Given how fucked up our society is, I'm not up for the risk of insurance denial and/or suit due to "your vehicle didn't have tow rating for xyz pounds".

The S10 and Tacoma I have currently aren't in sniffing distance although the S10 was able to pull it off(pun intended) Yes, I broke the 'rule' above.

I know there are other items that can help in towing. I may look into W/D hitch after I see how it does. The GX470 already is airbagged:homer:

In the real world, I'd just buy a won-ton dually and not worry about it. But Calif fucks people on truck registration... I'm not willing to pay several hundred a year in registration plus paying for it.
A Truetrac torsen works really well with the Toyota atrac traction control. Or without it for that matter.
 
Eh it’s loaded question. Most failures now are caused by shops screwing stuff up and/or owners not realizing it needs to be fixed
. If you competently maintain them they aren’t bad.

Of course competently maintaining them is thousands more per year than the Japanese or US suvs. A lot of shops won’t touch them so the ones that will can charge whatever they want. And then the timing chain fucks off and you need a motor.
 
Not true. The V8 models towed similarly to the same year domestic 1/2 tons. I have had all except the dodge and towed with all.
Are those the ones that gave rise to the late 00s/early10s speghetti frame memes or was that the 2nd gen? :laughing:

My concern over the rating is only to the extent that it is more appropriate to the load I'm going to tow. Given how fucked up our society is, I'm not up for the risk of insurance denial and/or suit due to "your vehicle didn't have tow rating for xyz pounds".
That shit is dumbass FUD peddling and doesn't matter to anybody who isn't looking to blindly agree with it as a means to justify their own purchases. Either the accident is your fault or not. Nobody cares if you didn't stop because you were an idiot or didn't stop because you were towing a million pounds.

Of course competently maintaining them is thousands more per year than the Japanese or US suvs.
Only if one is paying someone to do it. For most on this board who are just paying for parts and doing their own work it's probably so close that it would probably take a decade for the difference to add up to more than a grand.
 
That shit is dumbass FUD peddling and doesn't matter to anybody who isn't looking to blindly agree with it as a means to justify their own purchases. Either the accident is your fault or not. Nobody cares if you didn't stop because you were an idiot or didn't stop because you were towing a million pounds.
You do you for the level of risk you wish to accept. I have heard more than a single case of insurance cancel/denial due to equipment.

I'm not using the excuse of insurance "as a means to justify <my> own purchase". But if it makes you feel better, keep up the non-topic garbage contributions to this thread.:shaking:
 
Are those the ones that gave rise to the late 00s/early10s speghetti frame memes or was that the 2nd gen? :laughing:


That shit is dumbass FUD peddling and doesn't matter to anybody who isn't looking to blindly agree with it as a means to justify their own purchases. Either the accident is your fault or not. Nobody cares if you didn't stop because you were an idiot or didn't stop because you were towing a million pounds.


Only if one is paying someone to do it. For most on this board who are just paying for parts and doing their own work it's probably so close that it would probably take a decade for the difference to add up to more than a grand.
There was a frame recall on the first gens. I have seen all brands with bad frames, especially the 800 and fords of that era. Toyota was the one that stepped up and recalled them.

Yep, you can save some $ maintaining your own Rover. Until the timing chain or head gasket goes and fucks everything else up and you think about your life choices and all the time you spent doing fiddly shit with overpriced parts and now you need to spend more than the thing is worth on a junkyard motor that will do the same thing in 10k miles.

There is a reason you can buy a 5 year old rover that needs work for 1/20 of its new price.
 
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