Over on that other place there was a thread about loans from lightstream and a bunch of people including me got one. I remember that when you were filling out the app you have to answer 2 questions very specifically. I can't find the thread it seems to be gone. Anyone (sceep maybe) remember what the deal was? Basically it gave you the best rate, and you didn't have to give them the title. It may have been the first question, who are you buying from and you had to answer: dealer. But I can't remember.