Libertarian litmus test: Should tips be taxed?

[IowaOffRoad]

Ron Paul Campaign Press Release - In Case You Missed It: Ron Paul Authors Tax-Free Tips Op-Ed in the Las Vegas Sun | The American Presidency Project

Trump Proposes Major Tax Change For Workers Who Get Tips

Saw orange man proposed ending taxes on tips. Regardless of your position on taxes or tipping, tips are a gift. Because .gov is a greedy pig, they treat it like income, and will estimate your tips if you don't report enough. Fuck all that.

Tangent: Also, if you're gonna tip, do it in cash, people. Gives the person you're tipping the opportunity to 'do the right thing' (in this case, the right thing is to stick it in their pocket and stfu).

So, all you IBB 'libertarians', you behind this or are you gonna oppose it since most of you are 'tipping' the blue haired barista who's pronouns are [zhe/zim]?

 

[grumpy356]

The question should be is a tip a gift or a payment for services rendered?

A tip is a gift. And gifts shouldn’t be taxed.

 

[M92PV4U]

Gifts should not be taxed, this is why I tip in cash.

 

[D_JEEPER]

Should anything be taxed until we have clear representation of proper use of such?

But no, I do not think they should be taxed on tips as that is a direct reflection of the individual's efforts and quality of work.

 

[RedX]

I am of the mindset that tips (among many other things) should NOT be taxed (where's the vote?).

 

[east_beast]

I make it a point to try to tip in cash when possible for a reason.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

I am of the mindset that tips (among many other things) should NOT be taxed (where's the vote?).

Added it, but most just post in the comments bitching about no bacon

 

[Thefishguy77]

No, taxation is theft

 

[IowaOffRoad]

No, taxation is theft

FIFY, punctuation matters

 

[Thefishguy77]

Also when I was working for tips my tips always exceeded my paycheck as well so it is a decent income for sure. Like my above post I just believe taxation is theft, so I vote no.

 

[brocolocoli]

It shouldn't be taxed but also tipping is dumb. Why do I need to subsidize their wage?

 

[Thefishguy77]

FIFY, punctuation matters

Edited.

 

[Provience]

15 and 20 min wage fucks are government pawns, it's why those faggots hate tips

 

[Thefishguy77]

It shouldn't be taxed but also tipping is dumb. Why do I need to subsidize their wage?

Well in a restaurant, at least when I worked there, we made less than minimum wage. Tips gave you an option, non required, to say thanks for the good service. If you pay restaurant employees minimum wage your food prices will go up significantly.

 

[D_JEEPER]

The USA is an outlier when it comes to the tipping mindset...so much so that you go through a Subway line and get asked for a tip. Like, wtf service did you give me aside from making my food that I am paying for?

You dont see that shit in other countries.

 

[Thefishguy77]

The USA is an outlier when it comes to the tipping mindset...so much so that you go through a Subway line and get asked for a tip. Like, wtf service did you give me aside from making my food that I am paying for?

You dont see that shit in other countries.

So dont tip? Its not hard to say no and I do to all fast food places. It doesn’t bother me in the least. When I worked for tips I was hustling my ass off and people noticed.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Well in a restaurant, at least when I worked there, we made less than minimum wage. Tips gave you an option, non required, to say thanks for the good service. If you pay restaurant employees minimum wage your food prices will go up significantly.

I've always looked at tipping like commission. I actually don't mind that service people in sectors that have a tipping culture are paid less. Tips incentivize hustlers.

The USA is an outlier when it comes to the tipping mindset...so much so that you go through a Subway line and get asked for a tip. Like, wtf service did you give me aside from making my food that I am paying for?

You dont see that shit in other countries.

Agreed, but... I'm no world traveler, but those who are tell me that you typically get better service in the US than similar places you visit elsewhere.

 

[grumpy356]

15 and 20 min wage fucks are government pawns, it's why those faggots hate tips

I hate tips because it’s an expectation.

 

[Landslide]

It can work against the worker who supplements their income via tips as in it’s the larger part of their income. It’ll be their responsibility to deal with SS and Medicare shortfalls due to not enough taxes withheld. It makes no matter how you feel about this but I doubt the majority of people working in the industry that receives tips for their work performance has retirement programs in place like a 401K. They’ll be expecting to be on the government tit when they can no longer work from old age.

^ it’s just an observation for discussion not my position

 

[Kyle]

Income shouldn’t be taxed.

 

[Thumping]

If Trump said they shouldn't be taxed, the media will forsure ignore it. Can't have him exciting those that think he's a bad orange man.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

It can work against the worker who supplements their income via tips as in it’s the larger part of their income. It’ll be their responsibility to deal with SS and Medicare shortfalls due to not enough taxes withheld. It makes no matter how you feel about this but I doubt the majority of people working in the industry that receives tips for their work performance has retirement programs in place like a 401K. They’ll be expecting to be on the government tit when they can no longer work from old age.

^ it’s just an observation for discussion not my position

The counterargument is that none of the 'service economy' jobs should be treated as careers, so it matters not if they are getting 'credit' for the income via SS/medicare. Also, if it's not considered taxable income there is no shortfall to make up.

Income shouldn’t be taxed.

Agreed. I feel like this could be a small step on the road to repeal of the 16th (a man can dream)

 

[Kyle]

Social security and Medicare should be disbanded too.

No property tax no income tax.

Sales tax on products only. Not services.

 

[Slander]

No income of any form should be taxed

 

[subybaja]

Income shouldn’t be taxed.

This.

Tips are income, no different than hourly.

 

[subybaja]

 

[Chevy_man]

No.

Tips are a gift for above average service.


I found that simply passing around $15-20 in singles every day in Mexico guaranteed me much better service than the European crowd.


I also never tip at fast food. We have no server wage here so they're already making at least $12/hr to make me a taco. They don't need more than that for the sub standard service they provide standing behind a counter.

Tips are for servers or bartenders. They come to me to take my order, they bring stuff to me, they get a tip because they were fast and thorough and polite.

 

[Roc Doc]

Social security and Medicare should be disbanded too.

No property tax no income tax.

Sales tax on products only. Not services.

I had a watch bracelet sized at a local jewelry store, and they charged me sales tax. I asked why they were taxing a labor only sale, and the manager, who looked to be all of 25 said, "because that's how we've always done it." I didn't feel like arguing over $1.53, so I just left. So I seriously doubt that they're passing that money collected on to the state.

 

[OutlawRider]

I think we should have a no loopholes flat tax and that tips are dumb and their wage should be reflected in the price of food.

 

[clodhopper]

I had a watch bracelet sized at a local jewelry store, and they charged me sales tax. I asked why they were taxing a labor only sale, and the manager, who looked to be all of 25 said, "because that's how we've always done it." I didn't feel like arguing over $1.53, so I just left. So I seriously doubt that they're passing that money collected on to the state.

Maybe, but the state relies on the store's statement of earnings. If the store is including labor sales in with reg sales, then the state will assume the tax submitted is correct.