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94toytruck said:
One of the things to be considered is the caliper has to push out some to work properly. For some reason if the piston is buried in the bore it takes a bunch more effort to clamp than if they are out some. I've seen it a few times now over the years.
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I had wondered something like that also.

Like maybe I could get the 1.26 caliper on the 1.4 rotor, but would it work OK?

I figured taking 0.07 off each side of the rotor would be the best bet.
 
Wouldn't you be better off shaving down the pads? Cutting on the rotors makes them less able to handle heat. At 2 mph, probably doesn't matter. Street driven rig "could" matter.
 
gt1guy said:
Wouldn't you be better off shaving down the pads? Cutting on the rotors makes them less able to handle heat. At 2 mph, probably doesn't matter. Street driven rig "could" matter.
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Well yes. But remember these are 1 ton diesel rotors on a ~5k lb Toyota.

Currently they look like they are about 0.375 thickness on each side (I ordered a mic, just not here yet)

I just need to go from 1.397 to 1.26 to match the tundra specs. So that's only 0.0685 per surface. Which puts the thickness at 0.3065 per side. I don't have a tundra rotor to compare.

Also, I'm not opposed to just skimming that ~0.07 off each pad, just figured the rotors might be easier.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Well yes. But remember these are 1 ton diesel rotors on a ~5k lb Toyota.

Currently they look like they are about 0.375 thickness on each side (I ordered a mic, just not here yet)

I just need to go from 1.397 to 1.26 to match the tundra specs. So that's only 0.0685 per surface. Which puts the thickness at 0.3065 per side. I don't have a tundra rotor to compare.

Also, I'm not opposed to just skimming that ~0.07 off each pad, just figured the rotors might be easier.
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~0.07" off a pad would be a few strokes on a piece of sand paper and done. :flipoff2:
 
If you're doing that I suggest a disc sander or belt sander to keep it flat.

I had to do this and didn't have one avail, oh it was for those stupid Eldorado pads.

I used the side of a 10" bench grinder haha.
 
Winchested said:
If you're doing that I suggest a disc sander or belt sander to keep it flat.

I had to do this and didn't have one avail, oh it was for those stupid Eldorado pads.

I used the side of a 10" bench grinder haha.
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People have been using glass or mirrors and sand paper for over 100 years to resurface heads. :homer:
 
94toytruck said:
Actually easier to turn the rotors on the lathe IMHO, I've done both, brake pads are harder than you think and make a friggin mess. I also have a lathe at my disposal though so that helps.
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We have a crappy little mill and lathe at work, so I should be able to do either.

There is also a chance I just use the same E350 rotors as my rear axle too which shouldn't need any mods.
 
Aisin said:
People have been using glass or mirrors and sand paper for over 100 years to resurface heads. :homer:
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Ya because you're taking so much material off a head right....

No you're just creating a flat surface.

Go take a brake pad to your glass and Emory cloth and tell me how long it takes you to remove 50 thou from each pad.
 
Winchested said:
Ya because you're taking so much material off a head right....

No you're just creating a flat surface.

Go take a brake pad to your glass and Emory cloth and tell me how long it takes you to remove 50 thou from each pad.
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Won’t take too long. You just gotta set your purse down and get to it. 80 grit removes pad material pretty fucking quick. Follow it up with 220.
 
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So I like these brakes so much, I am doing them on my 2001 Dodge Ram 2500. Hey look, hub centric :flipoff2:
 
So just have a quick moment to go through this thread. Did you guys come on a consensus that any of these “kits” are worth it?
 
Grendel said:
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So I like these brakes so much, I am doing them on my 2001 Dodge Ram 2500. Hey look, hub centric :flipoff2:
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So pretty.

Let me know how you like those rotors. I had em on my F150 with the Z36 pads and thought they were shit. Plug up far too fast.

Edit: forgot to mention we get real salty winter here and that's what likely helps kill them slotted and drilled rotors.
 
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Grendel said:
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So I like these brakes so much, I am doing them on my 2001 Dodge Ram 2500. Hey look, hub centric :flipoff2:
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Are they the 09+ Dodge 2500/3500 we've been talking about?
 
Grendel said:
Yes.
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Dumb question...but since that's an '01 Dodge, did the 09+ caliper bolt right up to the factory bracket and if not, what'd you use/make to take the newer calipers?
 
Initial mock up doesn't look too great...

Might be able to grind that section out, but not 100% sure I wouldn't get into some kind of port.

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Sean said:
Dumb question...but since that's an '01 Dodge, did the 09+ caliper bolt right up to the factory bracket and if not, what'd you use/make to take the newer calipers?
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The new calipers come with abutments that bolt onto the old knuckles and rear brake mounts. Even the parking brake is the same.

So remove old calipers, abutments, rotors and pads and bolt on new, BIGGER ones.
 
Grendel said:
The new calipers come with abutments that bolt onto the old knuckles and rear brake mounts. Even the parking brake is the same.

So remove old calipers, abutments, rotors and pads and bolt on new, BIGGER ones.
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Fuck...if I wasn't swapping to Ford SD outers soon...I'd definitely do this on my '02. The brakes IMO are good....but bigger would hopefully be even better and possibly last longer (I have to change 'em about every 30-35K miles).

To be fair though....the Ford SD rotors are close to 14" too...like 13.7 IIRC, so they should definitely be an improvement.
 
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Sean said:
Fuck...if I wasn't swapping to Ford SD outers soon...I'd definitely do this on my '02. The brakes IMO are good....but bigger would hopefully be even better and possibly last longer (I have to change 'em about every 30-35K miles).

To be fair though....the Ford SD rotors are close to 14" too...like 13.7 IIRC, so they should definitely be an improvement.
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How are you doing that? My understanding is that our axles don't take those knuckles. Pre 2000 does.
 
Grendel said:
How are you doing that? My understanding is that our axles don't take those knuckles. Pre 2000 does.
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Custom 14B housing....05+ SD60 outers...40 spline ARB, 4.56s.
 
Grendel said:
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So I like these brakes so much, I am doing them on my 2001 Dodge Ram 2500. Hey look, hub centric :flipoff2:
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Hmmmm
So you're saying the 09+ stuff fits the Gen2 dodges no problem?
Asking for a friend who has a 2nd Gen with brakes that suck.
 
That’s hilarious. I have a mechanic friend that has a customer with about an 01 dodge 1/2 ton. Like 2 weeks ago, I stopped by and he is putting wilwood brakes on that turd. Couple days later I text him and asked how it turned out. He said “ok”. For what that guy spent, I really expected a longer answer, which tells me my buddy was not impressed.

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CAD intact. I believe money is being spent in all the wrong places.
 
Sean said:
Custom 14B housing....05+ SD60 outers...40 spline ARB, 4.56s.
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Ah, I am doing that on a different truck, but using these brakes, as I went with Ultimate 60 stuff on the outer for real wheel bearings, 1550 u joints on Chromo shaft and 8 on 6.5" wheel pattern.

These knuckles bolt onto the SD60 inner, and take the BJ's/BJE etc, but take Dodge brakes:

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Dana Super 60 RH Steering Knuckle Unpainted

Product Details: Ultimate Dana 60 steering knuckle RH Machined for a cross over steering arm (Spicer 10024009) Use this to convert 2005+ Ford F-250 and F-350 Dana 60 front axles to 8x6.5" lug pattern and cross over steering Threaded boss for adjustable steering stop Interchangeable with Dana...
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2013 + SD knuckles will take Ford brakes about this size. Different truck, my IH with a Duramax and complete SD60 front.

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Bebop said:
Hmmmm
So you're saying the 09+ stuff fits the Gen2 dodges no problem?
Asking for a friend who has a 2nd Gen with brakes that suck.
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This is a commonly written about upgrade, so its not really me saying it, but just doing it. I think it's only for the 2000+ axle with the later knuckles that can't be Ford knuckle swapped. (Dana and AAM both)
_stucky said:
That’s hilarious. I have a mechanic friend that has a customer with about an 01 dodge 1/2 ton. Like 2 weeks ago, I stopped by and he is putting wilwood brakes on that turd. Couple days later I text him and asked how it turned out. He said “ok”. For what that guy spent, I really expected a longer answer, which tells me my buddy was not impressed.

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CAD intact. I believe money is being spent in all the wrong places.
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I'd agree with you, as long as that's a 2000 + axle.
 
Grendel said:
This is a commonly written about upgrade, so its not really me saying it, but just doing it. I think it's only for the 2000+ axle with the later knuckles that can't be Ford knuckle swapped. (Dana and AAM both)
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Thank you !
 
Grendel said:
Ah, I am doing that on a different truck, but using these brakes, as I went with Ultimate 60 stuff on the outer for real wheel bearings, 1550 u joints on Chromo shaft and 8 on 6.5" wheel pattern.

These knuckles bolt onto the SD60 inner, and take the BJ's/BJE etc, but take Dodge brakes:

downtofab.com

Dana Super 60 RH Steering Knuckle Unpainted

Product Details: Ultimate Dana 60 steering knuckle RH Machined for a cross over steering arm (Spicer 10024009) Use this to convert 2005+ Ford F-250 and F-350 Dana 60 front axles to 8x6.5" lug pattern and cross over steering Threaded boss for adjustable steering stop Interchangeable with Dana...
downtofab.com

2013 + SD knuckles will take Ford brakes about this size. Different truck, my IH with a Duramax and complete SD60 front.

169146051_10220943454550865_1711015669304774384_n.jpg




This is a commonly written about upgrade, so its not really me saying it, but just doing it. I think it's only for the 2000+ axle with the later knuckles that can't be Ford knuckle swapped. (Dana and AAM both)

I'd agree with you, as long as that's a 2000 + axle.
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Grendel said:
Ah, I am doing that on a different truck, but using these brakes, as I went with Ultimate 60 stuff on the outer for real wheel bearings, 1550 u joints on Chromo shaft and 8 on 6.5" wheel pattern.

These knuckles bolt onto the SD60 inner, and take the BJ's/BJE etc, but take Dodge brakes:

downtofab.com

Dana Super 60 RH Steering Knuckle Unpainted

Product Details: Ultimate Dana 60 steering knuckle RH Machined for a cross over steering arm (Spicer 10024009) Use this to convert 2005+ Ford F-250 and F-350 Dana 60 front axles to 8x6.5" lug pattern and cross over steering Threaded boss for adjustable steering stop Interchangeable with Dana...
downtofab.com

2013 + SD knuckles will take Ford brakes about this size. Different truck, my IH with a Duramax and complete SD60 front.

169146051_10220943454550865_1711015669304774384_n.jpg




This is a commonly written about upgrade, so its not really me saying it, but just doing it. I think it's only for the 2000+ axle with the later knuckles that can't be Ford knuckle swapped. (Dana and AAM both)

I'd agree with you, as long as that's a 2000 + axle.
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Dumb question....does it use the same balljoints as the 05+ SD60? Just want to be clear about what you said above and make sure it's not the same as older 99-04 SD or Dodge BJ/BJEs. I've got BKOR's Kingjoint for the upper that I'd planned to put in a set of '09 SD60 outer knuckles....but I haven't bought brakes yet, so this may be another option to pursue.

What do you mean by 'real wheel bearings'? I take it you mean they don't use a unit bearing? And if so, I'd assume now you also need a spindle and traditional inner/outer tapered roller bearings and some sort of hub machined to accept them? What spindle and bearings does one use with this knuckle? Has to be bigger than KP60 stuff.
 
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