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June 4th, 2004: Killdozer.

from this article - who of course the story is probably slanted. Patrick Brower on why "Killdozer" operator was no hero

I like to believe he was a patriot, but he reminds me alot of my dad and in my dealings with that those people were probably making it more difficult for him because of how he carried himself.

"Second, while Marv Heemeyer never did kill anybody, I don’t believe he avoided trying to kill anyone. He fired his rifles at least three people: He shot at a state trooper, he shot at least nine times at Cody Docheff, and he fired twice at Sgt. Rich Garner."
 
As long as you count the city wanting him to spend 100k to install a toilet reasonable. The septic wasn't an issue until he bought it if I remember correctly.
That's called doing your due diligence when buying commercial property. He probably thought he got a great deal on it, then later he found out it wasn't. Being in commercial construction I've seen it before.


Do i think its bullshit? Yes. But its like that all over the country.
 
I like to believe he was a patriot, but he reminds me alot of my dad and in my dealings with that those people were probably making it more difficult for him because of how he carried himself.
Sure, he could've been more warm and fuzzy, but from what I read before the internet got sanitized (or google blocked the rest of the story), they fucked him over beyond what you would expect someone to put up with. They expected him to roll over and die or go away, but he had nothing to lose + dozer + welder + valid grudge; therefore, killdozer.

What he did was not "heroic", but it was shoving back at a corrupt bunch of bullies, so . . . justified (mostly :laughing:).
 
He blocked himself into a bulldozer with no intentions of coming back out. At that point, preserving life is no longer a priority. Taking a few assholes with him on the way out was probably the plan. Could you blame him? I don't. The town and the council backed a badger into a corner and weren't ready for it when he came out fighting. If he drove through a school or a hospital I'd have a different opinion.

We spend our entire lives building. Building relationships, homes, jobs, bank accounts, trucks, LIFE. Some people in suits came in and told him he couldn't run his business anymore and played petty games to shut him down while allowing a larger corporation to start up right in front of him, literally. He stood and watched while they worked to tear down the little he had as a tax-paying law-abiding citizen. He played by the rules of society and when they cheated him, he threw out the rules.

I wouldn't call him a hero, but you have to respect a man standing up for what he has and going after those who took it from him.

Edit: ExWrench beat me by a few minutes as I was typing
 
Also more info...


Marvin Heemeyer is much different than the vast majority of villains out there and on this blog; it was frustration that drove him to his final machination and inevitable demise.
He led a relatively normal life and was described as an enjoyable person that would “bend over backwards for anyone”, however some noticed a darker side of Marvin. He was known to have had a temper and had even once threatened a customer of his muffler shop over a measly $124.

Marvin Heemeyer’s real troubles began brewing around 1992 when he bought two acres of land from the Resolution Trust Corporation and was loaned $42,000 to build and open up his muffler shop. Subsequently, Heemeyer agreed to sell the land to a concrete manufacturing plant. The price was originally agreed at $250,000 but over time Heemeyer continued to raise the price to upwards of one million. It is hard to say but I believe that Heemeyer continued to raise the price in order to stop the potential deal from being made after seeing the miles of red tape he had accidentally created for himself. With a concrete plant in the lot adjacent to his muffler shop there would be virtually no access to it from the street as well as no sewage outtake. After years of appeals and zoning law nonsense, the zoning commission and the town’s trustees approved the construction of the cement manufacturing plant and effectively disabled Heemeyer’s ability to run a legitimate business. As a last resort Marvin petitioned the city with help from neighbors and friends, but to no avail. There was no way his business could survive without a working sewer line or street access.

Marvin Heemeyer had reached his breaking point.

He leased his business to a trash company and sold his property to procure funds for final project, one that would be dubbed the Killdozer by the national media. Heemeyer had purchased a Komatsu D355A bulldozer two years prior to this incident with the intention of building an alternative route to his muffler shop, but city officials rejected his request to build a new road. It took Marvin about a year and a half to make the final preparations on his project making sure that nothing would fail. He fitted his dozer with over foot thick armor consisting of concrete sandwiched between sheets of steel to create composite armor impervious to both small arms fire and explosives. There were also two rifles fitted into firing ports from the inside that he could use. He had fitted his creation with bulletproof cameras all over the hull so he could see and operate from the inside. Heemeyer stocked his machine with food, water, and life support. Once the hatch was closed he had no intention of leaving.

June 4th, 2004, it was time for Marvin to put all his hard work into action and began doing so by driving his dozer straight through his former business. Heemeyer went on a rampage eventually causing over $7 millions in damages while destroying 13 buildings. This however was no random act of destruction, every building he destroyed he had a reason for which included the Town Hall, the concrete plant, the office of the local newspaper who had written against him, the former judge’s home, another competing hardware store and seven others who had wronged him over the years. By some stroke of a miracle not a single person was killed in the insane destructive rampage, except of course for the trouble brewer himself.

The local police were obviously called in very quickly and did everything they could to stop this rampage including firing over 200 rounds and three external explosives upon it with literally no affect at all. They could only wait and evacuate people away from the monstrosity.

The only thing that could stop this beast was the beast itself and unfortunately for Marvin Heemeyer that is exactly what happened. While running over Gable’s Hardware store one of the tracks became stuck in the small basement that this store possessed. He was not able to move at all and realized that his daylong rampage had finally come to an end. As SWAT team members surrounded the immobilized dozer they heard a single shot come from the inside of it. It still took over twelve hours to cut him out with an oxyacetylene cutting torch.

Marvin Heemeyer had taken his own life in the attempts to preserve himself as a martyr and symbol for a small business owner who can’t get a break from red tape. But unfortunately for him, the majority of the country will always see him as a villain with nothing to lose who went on a destructive rampage to express his frustrations.
 
I have no idea what this is about. :flipoff2:

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Knew someone that hung out, at the bar, with Marvin. Wasn't surprised when this happened. Grandy wasn't too open to "Marvin Heemeyer Days".
 
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I met one of the cops that was a sniper that day. He fired every 308 round he had at it, and didn't even penetrate the outer armor layer. He is still pissed about it today, mostly because of the shirts and such. Let's just say he no longer has a 308 in his truck.
 
I met one of the cops that was a sniper that day. He fired every 308 round he had at it, and didn't even penetrate the outer armor layer. He is still pissed about it today, mostly because of the shirts and such. Let's just say he no longer has a 308 in his truck.
The .50 they brought in didn’t penetrate the outer armor either.

I know a guy that worked at the iron yard and sheered some of the AR plate that was used to build it.
 
I met one of the cops that was a sniper that day. He fired every 308 round he had at it, and didn't even penetrate the outer armor layer. He is still pissed about it today, mostly because of the shirts and such. Let's just say he no longer has a 308 in his truck.
It was 2 layers of AR plate with a foot of concrete in between them. Nothing your friend carries would penetrate it.:homer:
 
It was 2 layers of AR plate with a foot of concrete in between them. Nothing your friend carries would penetrate it.:homer:
You'd be surprised what multiple api rounds can do. They've done some testing and found that you have hit this same 12" area about 3 times to penetrate. Concrete makes for a great center in composite armor....but only once. He was showing off ar500 1.5" thick that was completely demolished by a single shot.

I got some apit rounds in myself recently. Might have to go run a couple tests myself. :)
 
You'd be surprised what multiple api rounds can do. They've done some testing and found that you have hit this same 12" area about 3 times to penetrate. Concrete makes for a great center in composite armor....but only once. He was showing off ar500 1.5" thick that was completely demolished by a single shot.

I got some apit rounds in myself recently. Might have to go run a couple tests myself. :)
😂😂Try again dude. Here’s what black tip does to 2 inch AR plate. It put about a half inch crater in the steel. This was shot out of an M2.
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APIT is even worse. Quarter inch crater.
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You'd be surprised what multiple api rounds can do. They've done some testing and found that you have hit this same 12" area about 3 times to penetrate. Concrete makes for a great center in composite armor....but only once. He was showing off ar500 1.5" thick that was completely demolished by a single shot.

I got some apit rounds in myself recently. Might have to go run a couple tests myself. :)
API will absolutely go through 1” ar500 at 800 yds. I’d imagine it’ll go through 1.5” just as well. Those penetrators bore a perfect hole almost like it was drilled out.
 
API will absolutely go through 1” ar500 at 800 yds. I’d imagine it’ll go through 1.5” just as well. Those penetrators bore a perfect hole almost like it was drilled out.

This guy says otherwise.... However I think the test would be different if the target was solid and not allowed to swing. This would make the steel have to absorb more of the energy.

 
This guy says otherwise.... However I think the test would be different if the target was solid and not allowed to swing. This would make the steel have to absorb more of the energy.


Whatever the fuck I shot at was sold as AR500, and was hung swinging, and APIs sailed right through. Ball rounds didn’t leave a mark on it.
 
I met one of the cops that was a sniper that day. He fired every 308 round he had at it, and didn't even penetrate the outer armor layer. He is still pissed about it today, mostly because of the shirts and such. Let's just say he no longer has a 308 in his truck.
Next time ask him if he tried to shoot the exposed hydraulic ram cylinders.

If I was trying to stop the killdozer I would have tried to take the blade and ripper ram out,.
 
His camera systems were such 1980’s pieces of shit. If anyone is in the middle of a killdozer 2.0 build please do two things. A $200 dollar 4 camera setup for an RV. And mind your temperature gauge to get more mileage out of run of terror. I know you’re going to be full of adrenaline but taking cool down breaks and then restarting it just as people start to think you’ve given up will bring a new twist to the story.
 
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