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Pook said:
How come they have never found a boat anywhere near capable of moving the stones that built the pyramids?
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Because you're not looking. It's more fun to marvel at a made-up mystery than to understand the real archaeology of what's there.

https ://sciencing. com/much-did-pyramids-weigh-7499289.html
The great pyramid of Khufu, which is also known as Akhet Khufu, consists of an estimated 2.3 million blocks of stone. Each stone block within the pyramid weighs approximately 2267.96 kilograms (2.5 tons).
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https: //shipbuildingknowledge.wordpress. com/2018/03/21/understanding-vessels-tonnage/
Ship tonnage is a measure of what a ship can carry. ... + Tonnage by weight, or displacement, is the weight of water displaced by a loaded vessel. This weight is expressed in metric tons. A metric ton is the weight of 1 m3 of fresh water.
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https ://www.quora. com/How-big-is-a-100-ton-ship
A 100 gross ton ship is not a ship by normal standards. I was once on a 120 ft long seagoing tug that was about 300 gross tons. My 42 ft boat is about 75 gross tons.
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http ://www.ancient-egypt. org/history/old-kingdom/4th-dynasty/kheops/pyramid-complex-at-giza/boat-pits.html
Several long and narrow pits were found south and east of the king's pyramid, north of the causeway and between the queens' pyramids as well. Some pits were found to contain the dismantled remains of the boats which were presumably used in the king's last journey, his burial.
One boat, buried in one of the southern pits, has been rebuilt and can now be seen in the Boat Museum, next to the king's pyramid.

The reassembled boat, made of cedar wood that was imported from the Lebanon, measures 43.3m in length. Its prow and stern were shaped like papyrus stalks.
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The reassembled funerary boat of Kheops, now in a museum next to the Great Pyramid.
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I know that ^ is not a quarry boat, but the point is that manhandling a measly 2.5t was not a challenge (see earlier post about an old guy in a field).


The Great Pyramid Quarry|AERA

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Lehner suspected that this great pit furnished most of the local stone for the core of the Great Pyramid. He calculated the missing volume of stone and compared the sum to the volume of the Great Pyramid (see MDAIK 41, 1985).

The ancient quarrymen began removing stone by cutting channels the size of hotel corridors to isolate big blocks of bedrock. They subdivided these blocks with smaller channels, just wide enough for a single quarryman to drive the channel forward.

When they isolated the desired-size block, they would insert levers as big as railroad ties into sockets along the underside and then pry the stone free from the bedrock. Once the stone was free they would drag it away. You can still see some of their channels and lever sockets.

Working this way, the pyramid builders cut the huge quarry to a maximum depth of 30 meters (98.4 feet) below the plateau surface.

The bottom of the quarry slopes slightly upwards to the north toward what would later become the Khafre causeway. Massive amounts of limestone, sand, tafla (desert clay), and gypsum debris now fill the center of the quarry. Lehner speculates this material might be remnants of the pyramid construction ramps, which the workers removed and dumped back into the quarry to fill it at the end of the project.

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A quarry channel, Sphinx head in background
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Mikel said:
You don't think that's impressive for two millennia ago?
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Impressive, yes. Evidence of a master builder? Certainly. Proof of aliens/antigravity/poured stone, etc? Nope.
subybaja said:
Don't mistake people in the past for stupid because they didn't have satellites.
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Those irregular, interlocking blocks in the pics posted by the OP are more earthquake resistant than the square shaped Roman structures with levels of blocks aligned.
 
I always wondered how they did the final fit on those stones. I'm assuming its similar to the way my dentist does the final clearance on my crowns. He puts a piece of something like blue-crayon coated paper between my teeth and has me chomp down. Then he files down the high spots that are coated in blue wax. Only other thing I can think is they had two-sided sandpaper and a lot of spare time.
 
subybaja said:
Impressive, yes. Evidence of a master builder? Certainly. Proof of aliens/antigravity/poured stone, etc? Nope.
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Exactly. Not like these guys didn't know their way around a fucking arch. :laughing:

Shouldn't be surprising that they made a few with infinite radius in the cases where they had enough backstop to do so.
 
zlathim said:
Those irregular, interlocking blocks in the pics posted by the OP are more earthquake resistant than the square shaped Roman structures with levels of blocks aligned.
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I have pointed that out several times in different threads. Pertinent to the Inca especially and Roman (Italy) to a lessor extent which are seismic areas. Less so in Egypt.

The Inca did not have the wheel or iron as far as I know.
 
Mikel said:
For reference, this is the aqueduct of Segovia, built by the Romans in Spain two millennia ago, with no mortar of any kind. On the micro level, a much lower level of craftsmanship. Romans did have iron tools.
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I'm surprised the Muslims didn't tear it down.
 
TRINDU said:
I'm surprised the Muslims didn't tear it down.
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Why wld they ruin a perfectly good source of water?

Many centuries later, the locals believed the devil had built it. The uneducated population knew nothing about the Romans.
 
Argue all you want about moving heavy stones… I’m really wondering how they carved out all the straight lines, corners, and intricate shapes onto stones with copper chisels and rock hammers.
 
What they teach in history about how humans have developed over the last few thousand years and beyond is wrong.
There have been other civilisations before us. No mention of aliens. Just advanced predecessors.

I don't hold anyone's hand to share this stuff, because it's pointless trying to show the ones who insist our modern development has been simply lineal and constant.
The ones who seek real answers and are open to looking for it search it out themselves.

One of my fave topics, another thread recently

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Ancient Archeology

Watched the whole season of ancient apocalypse here because fuuk netflix Ive seen the first 2 of 8.. Im hooked
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I sirched, didn't find an existing thread. Used to be one on the other site. If there's an existing thread, MODs merge it please. This came out 5 days ago. Some new stuff that surprised me. The surfacing of the stones was mind blowing. The Babarar caves are unreal. As was the strange...
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Probably my top 4 ancient tech things. All mind blowing.

The Walls at Sacsayhuamán




The Serapeum





The vases





The dug out granite chambers in India - video is queued at the right point for the Chambers

 
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Ive seen pictures of gigantic saw marks, like a 20 foot dia saw. But i dont think anyone is remotely close to figuring out how this work was done.
 
Mikel said:
Why wld they ruin a perfectly good source of water?

Many centuries later, the locals believed the devil had built it. The uneducated population knew nothing about the Romans.
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Makes sense to say the devil made it. Probably not much about the Roman's that the vanquished wanted to remember years later
 
bunk said:
Ive seen pictures of gigantic saw marks, like a 20 foot dia saw. But i dont think anyone is remotely close to figuring out how this work was done.
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First I have heard of them. Ya have a link or pic ? Fascinating shit for sure. :beer:
 
We are far from being the most advanced humans that have walked on the face of the earth.
1000 years after we are gone, the only they that will remain is buried piles of trash. Guess thats what ya get when you live in a materialistic society obsessed with immediate gratification.

Kinda makes ya wonder about them global cataclysm stories...
 
Splib said:
First I have heard of them. Ya have a link or pic ? Fascinating shit for sure. :beer:
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was a tv show. It was very evident to me that it was a saw as there was chip runover. Ive seen the same witness marks from machining with inadequate coolant flow.
 
jpmassey said:
The explanation is probably much more simple. Just like those fancy rocks. The slide was carved to follow a natural depression by a dad on the weekend for his kids. The fancy rocks are half carved in place from large boulders and half smaller ones stacked on top because it was the easiest way to do it.

I slid down those slides a bunch of times. It fits your butt just perfect. They are just slides.

View from the top:
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The remains of an ancient KoH race course?🤷‍♂️
 
bunk said:
was a tv show. It was very evident to me that it was a saw as there was chip runover. Ive seen the same witness marks from machining with inadequate coolant flow.
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:laughing:

Have you ever "machined" stone?
 
subybaja said:
:shaking: "Oooh, it's so mysterious!! Musta been them aliems!"

A solid crystal pyramid would be impressive. A solid titanium pyramid would get my attention. An 800 foot sphere would be cool. Rocks piled up in roughly the same shape nature makes...nah.

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The Incas used gravel to act like sandpaper and placed rocks on top of each other and this process made the rocks smooth and in line with each other.
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each rock had a tongue and grove system so in case of an earthquake the grove would strengthen the structure. Many examples of these rocks can be seen in unfinished Inca structures.
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I don't buy the "sandpaper" theory. You just move multi-ton rocks around until they grind themselves down to fit? Sacsayhuaman has stones that are 100 tons or more. The Trilithon at Baalbek is made up of stones 800~900 tons. Moving those into place is a feat unto itself and now you're going to tell me they just moved them back and forth until they ground down for a perfect fit?

You see these people that say they just did this or just did that. They "ground" the stones together to make them fit and "prove" their theory with rocks that are a few pounds. Same with rolling stuff on logs or other "examples" people show of how it is done. Now go out and try it with something 100 tons or more and show me how it is done.

And things like the little rock that perfectly fits in with the surrounding joints. That's just showing off. They're literally saying "This is so easy for us that we're going to show off our skill."

Then explain to me how these people that were supposedly a step or two above being hunter gatherers decided to do this? They had the engineering wherewithal to figure all this stuff out? Not to mention just go out to any construction site and try talking those guys into doing something above and beyond. Now explain to me how Rumku convinced Flobaa, Zugo, and Edeh to spend their life grinding rocks together?

They scanned the Barabar caves and the precision is unreal. They're at a loss as to how they'd replicate it today. Not to mention the "why" of it? Why would anyone thousands of years ago make something to this level of precision? Just to honor their god? Until someone went and scanned it, they just said it was "polished." Scanning it reveals you're talking thousandths of an inch precision.

 
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