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grumpy356

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So if Biden Wins he already said he is coming for your guns.

How will it look?

Here is what I see, but I think they lack the patients and may be more drastic.













I think it will start pretty subtle. I think it will start to happen through the agencies, like DOT and OSHA.

First they will label gun powder as an explosive and make it impossible to transport, then they will add all kind of restrictions on how it is stored.

They will make it so you can't buy the ammo, transport ammo, or roll your own.

The courts will have a hard time protecting you from this on a 2nd amendment grounds , especially since there will be no laws at this point, just government agencies creating regulations.

Then they will make a gun registry. (they won't call it a registry at first, it's just the ATF agency becoming more efficient with technology)

They will make every gun dealer send in all their 4473's and digitize them . Then they will send out forms asking if you still own the weapon or where it went. Then the game wardens and LEO will check every firearm they come in contact with through hunting, transportation, etc. and make sure the firearm you have in your possession is indeed registered to you and matches the national database.

THEN when they have a pretty comprehensive list they will start making laws. By this point, ammo is drying up, like the great .22 shortage of '14 and you can't buy it and the stuff out there is getting shot up and not replaced.

Now you start the voluntary turn ins and 'buy backs"

SO far nothing blatantly violates the 2nd (they are pitching around the edges)

Once you have that, you start sending the letters, you are ineligible for your tax return till you have filled out the government document on where you firearm is or how it was disposed of.

The whole time you are working on the school kids. You are removing guns from their culture. When you die, they will get your guns, but they don't care about guns, and don't have the connection you do or the will to fight.

Now it's 15 years down the road, and THEN they start with the door to door stuff. (now you are going for the strikes over the plate)

They will use any shooting that happens to promote and escalate this agenda.

At least that is my vision on how it would work.
 
They will make it that if you want a gun you need to get a special permit and must have a valid reason.

- Sportsmanship
- Protection (must be business owner transporting cash or such, limited ammo, like one magazine)

You cannot have ammunition, it must be stored at the range. You must transport you gun locked in a case, in the trunk.
 
Cold dead hands or some shit. Praying that we don’t end up with a Dem pres and Democrat majority to allow such nonsense.

But I bet your not far off Grumpy. Looks like the world agrees with you as ammo is non existent on shelves like back in 08. We’d only just recovered from the .22LR shortage and we’re right back there again.
 
Some things are not illegal if they are not assembled...
 
The whole time you are working on the school kids. You are removing guns from their culture. When you die, they will get your guns, but they don't care about guns, and don't have the connection you do or the will to fight.

My kid has had a lifetime hunting and fishing license since they were six months old. I can't speak for other families, but this won't be happening around here. In fact, the local school even has a "Hunter's Corner". Any kid that gets their name and picture placed there, is an automatic badass.
 
And I know hunting != defense, but the culture is still here. Different rifles have different purposes. I'll be sure to set that point across.
 
My kid has had a lifetime hunting and fishing license since they were six months old. I can't speak for other families, but this won't be happening around here. In fact, the local school even has a "Hunter's Corner". Any kid that gets their name and picture placed there, is an automatic badass.


I bought my son a life time license in VT before he was 6 months old as well. :beer:
 
They'll reinstate the "assault rifle" ban ASAP.
 
I agree it will start out as nothing and who knows, maybe nothing will happen at all, but he is claiming he will do something.

Hard to say what it will be, they can't really take away your guns, they say they will but they know that is not realistic. So I agree it will be impossible to carry or buy ammo.

and it could be just like weed, federal says it is illegal but state says it is ok. The constitution gave states more power than the federal government.
 
Dems can't and won't do anything but grandstand at the national level as vote pandering. Gun control has been and continues to be a losing battle, especially as gun ownership grows in popularity on the left. If they were serious about gun control at the national level they'd have gotten something through when they had the White House and control over Congress after Sandy Hook.

You'll continue seeing bullshit come from the normal places like CA, MA, NY, ect but not much else. Moderate Dems have never really cared about gun control other than using it to rattle sabers. Californians got a taste of how bullshit their own laws were at the beginning of the pandemic. Then all these riots and protests started and you saw even more people looking at gun ownership. This is going to wake a lot of people up to some degree. Gun control has been steadily losing ground for decades in most of the country. Constitutional carry has grown, gun control has lost in several landmark court cases, laws have been loosened in most states. The far left is also embracing gun ownership, particularly in LGBT circles. I know a lot of very liberal people, several who are borderline communists and about as far left as you can get and even most of them are pro-guns and vehemently against gun control and hardware bans.
 
What guns?

The ones you are going to swear, under oath, that you sold to the guy down the street that died from COVID, and when you are caught hunting with, transporting, or on the range with still in your possession will be confiscated, while the perjury charges filed are making its way through court.
 
Dems can't and won't do anything but grandstand at the national level as vote pandering. Gun control has been and continues to be a losing battle, especially as gun ownership grows in popularity on the left. If they were serious about gun control at the national level they'd have gotten something through when they had the White House and control over Congress after Sandy Hook.

You'll continue seeing bullshit come from the normal places like CA, MA, NY, ect but not much else. Moderate Dems have never really cared about gun control other than using it to rattle sabers. Californians got a taste of how bullshit their own laws were at the beginning of the pandemic. Then all these riots and protests started and you saw even more people looking at gun ownership. This is going to wake a lot of people up to some degree. Gun control has been steadily losing ground for decades in most of the country. Constitutional carry has grown, gun control has lost in several landmark court cases, laws have been loosened in most states. The far left is also embracing gun ownership, particularly in LGBT circles. I know a lot of very liberal people, several who are borderline communists and about as far left as you can get and even most of them are pro-guns and vehemently against gun control and hardware bans.

Yea, it does seem like we've seen a bit of a swing back with gun ownership as of late. Its not only the Right lining up around the BassPro building, that's for sure.
 
I dont see how you could after we all watched the cops back down and let various cities burn to the ground.
 
Will have to break into politicians homes to steal their firearms and ammunition, since we all know damn well they will be exempt.
 
Pertaining to ruining serial numbers.
I refused to let a cop run the serial number on a gun during a traffic stop, or remove it from my truck, I offered to get out to separate myself from my gun. I got cuffed for 45 min, 5 more cops looked in all my windows for pc while the 1st was on the phone with his chain of command. I was released with a warning for a license plate light. If it happens again I'm ready for a civil suit.

Taking my firearm to his cruiser and running the number through his system is an illegal search and seizure.

I believe they came to the same conclusion.

You can stop or slow the beast, but you need to exercise your rights.
 
From the Joe Bidden website


Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.

Get weapons of war off our streets. The bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that Biden, along with Senator Feinstein, secured in 1994 reduced the lethality of mass shootings. But, in order to secure the passage of the bans, they had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:
  • Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
  • Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.
  • Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities.
  • Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.
Keep guns out of dangerous hands. The federal background check system (the National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is one of the best tools we have to prevent gun violence, but it’s only effective when it’s used. Biden will enact universal background check legislation and close other loopholes that allow people who should be prohibited from purchasing firearms from making those purchases. Specifically, he will:
  • Require background checks for all gun sales. Today, an estimated 1 in 5 firearms are sold or transferred without a background check. Biden will enact universal background check legislation, requiring a background check for all gun sales with very limited exceptions, such as gifts between close family members. This will close the so-called “gun show and online sales loophole” that the Obama-Biden Administration narrowed, but which cannot be fully closed by executive action alone.
  • Close other loopholes in the federal background check system. In addition to closing the “boyfriend loophole” highlighted below, Biden will:
  • Reinstate the Obama-Biden policy to keep guns out of the hands of certain people unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons, which President Trump reversed.
  • Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission” from purchasing or possessing a firearm.
  • Close the “Charleston loophole.” The Charleston loophole allows people to complete a firearms purchase if their background check is not completed within three business days.
  • Close the “fugitive from justice” loophole created by the Trump Administration. Because of actions by the Trump Administration, records of almost 500,000 fugitives from justice who are prohibited from purchasing firearms were deleted from the background check system. The Biden Administration will restore these records, and enact legislation to make clear that people facing arrest warrants are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms.
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.

Create an effective program to ensure individuals who become prohibited from possessing firearms relinquish their weapons.

Incentivize state “extreme risk” laws. Extreme risk laws, also called “red flag” laws, enable family members or law enforcement officials to temporarily remove an individual’s access to firearms when that individual is in crisis and poses a danger to themselves or others.

Give states incentives to set up gun licensing programs.
ADDRESSING THE DEADLY COMBINATION OF GUNS AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE



The Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2019, which Leader McConnell refuses to bring to the floor for a vote, includes a number of reforms to keep firearms out of the hands of abusers. Senator McConnell should ensure this legislation gets passed long before President Biden would take the oath of office. But if McConnell refuses to act, Biden will enact legislation to close the so-called “boyfriend loophole” and “stalking loophole” by prohibiting all individuals convicted of assault, battery, or stalking from purchasing or possessing firearms, regardless of their connection to the victim. This proposal is modeled after existing laws in California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Nevada, New York, and Pennsylvania. Biden also supports enacting the proposal to prohibit anyone under a temporary restraining order from purchasing or possessing a firearm before their hearing.

In addition, President Biden will:
  • Establish a new Task Force on Online Harassment and Abuse to focus on the connection between mass shootings, online harassment, extremism, and violence against women.
  • Expand the use of evidence-based lethality assessments by law enforcement in cases of domestic violence.
Make sure firearm owners take on the responsibility of ensuring their weapons are used safely.
  • Put America on the path to ensuring that 100% of firearms sold in America are smart guns.
  • Hold adults accountable for giving minors access to firearms.
  • Require gun owners to safely store their weapons.
Empower law enforcement to effectively enforce our gun laws.
  • Prioritize prosecution of straw purchasers. “Straw purchasers” buy a firearm on behalf of an individual who cannot pass a background check.
  • Notify law enforcement when a potential firearms purchaser fails a background check. T
  • Require firearms owners to report if their weapon is lost or stolen.
  • Stop “ghost guns.” One way people who cannot legally obtain a gun may gain access to a weapon is by assembling a one on their own, either by buying a kit of disassembled gun parts or 3D printing a working firearm. Biden will stop the proliferation of these so-called “ghost guns” by passing legislation requiring that purchasers of gun kits or 3D printing code pass a federal background check. Additionally, Biden will ensure that the authority for firearms exports stays with the State Department, and if needed reverse a proposed rule by President Trump. This will ensure the State Department continues to block the code used to 3D print firearms from being made available on the Internet.
  • Reform, fund, and empower the U.S. Justice Department to enforce our gun laws. Biden will direct his Attorney General to deliver to him within his first 100 days a set of recommendations for restructuring the ATF and related Justice Department agencies to most effectively enforce our gun laws. Biden will then work to secure sufficient funds for the Justice Department to effectively enforce our existing gun laws, increase the frequency of inspections of firearms dealers, and repeal riders that get in the way of that work.
  • Direct the ATF to issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. This report will provide officials with critical information to better identify strategies for curbing firearms trafficking.
 
assault weapons ban has already been done and proven legal, adding all semiauto's to assault, like they've done in WA state will be the new addition.

They will go back to being serious about forcing it through health services, like Obama did. oh, you've talked to a mental health professional or are receiving payment for support? disqualified, forced confiscation.

CA style ammo purchase restrictions will get tossed in as well to continue the cost and clusterfuck, it won't be worth the hassle to recreation shooters. mandates for training will get lauded as a wonderful push for safety, supported by hunters and professionals, further increasing barriers to entry.

"safe acts" will be rolled out for microstamping as well as finger print lock requirements, making it near impossible to comply from the MFG side and lawsuits will be opened up to MFG's to increase the cost and keep any new small companies from getting started, consolidation and tech will drive prices up to keep it a rich mans game.

1 new law a year or every 6 months, give it a decade or two before everybody is normalized for a new Zealand style mass buyback.
 
In reality, what we need to do is change our thinking. Most guys on this board hoard guns, but only have one vote, if entry gun owner, and pro gun voter took a few weekends to take an undecided voter, or even flip an opposing voter, we could set this shit way back, way fast. But, we have to change our thinking, and actually take some action
 
From the Joe Bidden website


Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.

Get weapons of war off our streets. The bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that Biden, along with Senator Feinstein, secured in 1994 reduced the lethality of mass shootings. But, in order to secure the passage of the bans, they had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:
  • Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
  • Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.
  • Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities.
  • Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.
Keep guns out of dangerous hands. The federal background check system (the National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is one of the best tools we have to prevent gun violence, but it’s only effective when it’s used. Biden will enact universal background check legislation and close other loopholes that allow people who should be prohibited from purchasing firearms from making those purchases. Specifically, he will:
  • Require background checks for all gun sales. Today, an estimated 1 in 5 firearms are sold or transferred without a background check. Biden will enact universal background check legislation, requiring a background check for all gun sales with very limited exceptions, such as gifts between close family members. This will close the so-called “gun show and online sales loophole” that the Obama-Biden Administration narrowed, but which cannot be fully closed by executive action alone.
  • Close other loopholes in the federal background check system. In addition to closing the “boyfriend loophole” highlighted below, Biden will:
  • Reinstate the Obama-Biden policy to keep guns out of the hands of certain people unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons, which President Trump reversed.
  • Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission” from purchasing or possessing a firearm.
  • Close the “Charleston loophole.” The Charleston loophole allows people to complete a firearms purchase if their background check is not completed within three business days.
  • Close the “fugitive from justice” loophole created by the Trump Administration. Because of actions by the Trump Administration, records of almost 500,000 fugitives from justice who are prohibited from purchasing firearms were deleted from the background check system. The Biden Administration will restore these records, and enact legislation to make clear that people facing arrest warrants are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms.
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.

Create an effective program to ensure individuals who become prohibited from possessing firearms relinquish their weapons.

Incentivize state “extreme risk” laws. Extreme risk laws, also called “red flag” laws, enable family members or law enforcement officials to temporarily remove an individual’s access to firearms when that individual is in crisis and poses a danger to themselves or others.

Give states incentives to set up gun licensing programs.
ADDRESSING THE DEADLY COMBINATION OF GUNS AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE



The Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2019, which Leader McConnell refuses to bring to the floor for a vote, includes a number of reforms to keep firearms out of the hands of abusers. Senator McConnell should ensure this legislation gets passed long before President Biden would take the oath of office. But if McConnell refuses to act, Biden will enact legislation to close the so-called “boyfriend loophole” and “stalking loophole” by prohibiting all individuals convicted of assault, battery, or stalking from purchasing or possessing firearms, regardless of their connection to the victim. This proposal is modeled after existing laws in California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Nevada, New York, and Pennsylvania. Biden also supports enacting the proposal to prohibit anyone under a temporary restraining order from purchasing or possessing a firearm before their hearing.

In addition, President Biden will:
  • Establish a new Task Force on Online Harassment and Abuse to focus on the connection between mass shootings, online harassment, extremism, and violence against women.
  • Expand the use of evidence-based lethality assessments by law enforcement in cases of domestic violence.
Make sure firearm owners take on the responsibility of ensuring their weapons are used safely.
  • Put America on the path to ensuring that 100% of firearms sold in America are smart guns.
  • Hold adults accountable for giving minors access to firearms.
  • Require gun owners to safely store their weapons.
Empower law enforcement to effectively enforce our gun laws.
  • Prioritize prosecution of straw purchasers. “Straw purchasers” buy a firearm on behalf of an individual who cannot pass a background check.
  • Notify law enforcement when a potential firearms purchaser fails a background check. T
  • Require firearms owners to report if their weapon is lost or stolen.
  • Stop “ghost guns.” One way people who cannot legally obtain a gun may gain access to a weapon is by assembling a one on their own, either by buying a kit of disassembled gun parts or 3D printing a working firearm. Biden will stop the proliferation of these so-called “ghost guns” by passing legislation requiring that purchasers of gun kits or 3D printing code pass a federal background check. Additionally, Biden will ensure that the authority for firearms exports stays with the State Department, and if needed reverse a proposed rule by President Trump. This will ensure the State Department continues to block the code used to 3D print firearms from being made available on the Internet.
  • Reform, fund, and empower the U.S. Justice Department to enforce our gun laws. Biden will direct his Attorney General to deliver to him within his first 100 days a set of recommendations for restructuring the ATF and related Justice Department agencies to most effectively enforce our gun laws. Biden will then work to secure sufficient funds for the Justice Department to effectively enforce our existing gun laws, increase the frequency of inspections of firearms dealers, and repeal riders that get in the way of that work.
  • Direct the ATF to issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. This report will provide officials with critical information to better identify strategies for curbing firearms trafficking.

well damn, right from the horses mouth :barf:
 
assault weapons ban has already been done and proven legal, adding all semiauto's to assault, like they've done in WA state will be the new addition.

They will go back to being serious about forcing it through health services, like Obama did. oh, you've talked to a mental health professional or are receiving payment for support? disqualified, forced confiscation.

CA style ammo purchase restrictions will get tossed in as well to continue the cost and clusterfuck, it won't be worth the hassle to recreation shooters. mandates for training will get lauded as a wonderful push for safety, supported by hunters and professionals, further increasing barriers to entry.

"safe acts" will be rolled out for microstamping as well as finger print lock requirements, making it near impossible to comply from the MFG side and lawsuits will be opened up to MFG's to increase the cost and keep any new small companies from getting started, consolidation and tech will drive prices up to keep it a rich mans game.

1 new law a year or every 6 months, give it a decade or two before everybody is normalized for a new Zealand style mass buyback.

This is the kind of shit they'll pull. Easier to tie the industry up in regulation and lawsuits than it is to pass and implement new laws. Especially when the corporate financial industry is so willing to hang the gun industry out to dry. Obama didn't have to go after guns directly when the banks and credit card companies were willing to do it for him.
 
Nothing will change unless there’s another mass shooting in a school.

and it seems the 9th district is the 2nd amendments biggest advocate now. So I’m not worried besides stupid ammo hoarding.
 
And I know hunting != defense, but the culture is still here. Different rifles have different purposes. I'll be sure to set that point across.

no they don't. all guns are meant to shoot lead...nothing more nothing less. do not try to make some things out to be bad and some good, please make no distinction between them.
 
The ones you are going to swear, under oath, that you sold to the guy down the street that died from COVID, and when you are caught hunting with, transporting, or on the range with still in your possession will be confiscated, while the perjury charges filed are making its way through court.

Odd, I don't recall that your honor!
 
no they don't. all guns are meant to shoot lead...nothing more nothing less. do not try to make some things out to be bad and some good, please make no distinction between them.

Oh, I didn't mean it like that. If you have a 22 and a 556 and plan on taking out some squirrels, I'd opt for the 22. I was just pointing out that some calipers are better for hunting while others for defense.

edit: calibers, not calipers; sorry, researching reloading equipment. :laughing: :homer:
 
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Dems can't and won't do anything but grandstand at the national level as vote pandering. Gun control has been and continues to be a losing battle, especially as gun ownership grows in popularity on the left. If they were serious about gun control at the national level they'd have gotten something through when they had the White House and control over Congress after Sandy Hook.

You'll continue seeing bullshit come from the normal places like CA, MA, NY, ect but not much else. Moderate Dems have never really cared about gun control other than using it to rattle sabers. Californians got a taste of how bullshit their own laws were at the beginning of the pandemic. Then all these riots and protests started and you saw even more people looking at gun ownership. This is going to wake a lot of people up to some degree. Gun control has been steadily losing ground for decades in most of the country. Constitutional carry has grown, gun control has lost in several landmark court cases, laws have been loosened in most states. The far left is also embracing gun ownership, particularly in LGBT circles. I know a lot of very liberal people, several who are borderline communists and about as far left as you can get and even most of them are pro-guns and vehemently against gun control and hardware bans.

i feel like logically you are right. but lefties ae notorious liars. and my shit don't sink high and mighty jack asses.
they will chant to take our guns all the while holding tightly on theirs because they are far safer with them than us(according to them)my inlaws are already doing it. advocating taking guns from anyone who isn't a dem... while buying their own.
 
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I don't think it'll be subtle at all. They want to stack the supreme court with liberal activitsts and revisit 2A interpretations to simply remove the right all together for individual gun ownership. Democrats are radical now.
 
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