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How cool is a 97 F250 460 zf5 4x4?

Projectjunkie said:
It might sell quick for 10k, or it might stick around for a while, but will always be a solid truck
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Exactly. I dont deny the cool factor of what it is, but I passed on it. When I buy something I go through it making it clean. Too many unknowns that could get expensive quick. If it was a crew I wouldve bought it.

I dont need it, there isnt enough profit if I flip it. Would be a decent work truck for someone to tear up in todays market.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Mod motor bell can be interchanged with SBF with some work IIRC. Something about dowels vs bolts in certain locations and a couple not lining up. Nobody swaps modulars or late model electronic transmissions into anything and the hot rod guys have plenty of trans options and don't care about the ZF6 so there's never really been a market for swaps but the differences aren't any larger than BOP vs Chevy.
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There used to be a guy in town that was a retired Ford mechanic. He would buy wrecked 7.3 trucks, blown gas or 6.0 trucks and combine them. He had buckets of every bolt for a 99-04 SD. All the leafs in my 97 are from a ~03 with 60k miles as well as my b&w turnover ball that I got for $80 He also had a V10 Zf6 just sitting there. Probably could have got it for next to nothing. Fire wiped everything out, which is a bummer, he was a cool guy and a great resource of parts and info.

Wish I could get the Zf6 as I would run it behind the 12v I have.

Cool stary bro.... :laughing:

I'm guessing as 3.5eb, 5.0 yote and 7.3 swaps become more affordable and available, the prices of these trans will go up.
 
A truck like this is a tough call on value.

The high value OBS trucks are F350, 4x4, solid axle, crew cab or extended cab longbed, and powerstroke 7.3. DRW VS SRW seems to be a wash.

I've been truck shopping for farm/tow rigs for a few months and the only good deals I see on OBS rigs are 460 trucks. 50/50 between manual and auto. The ZF5 itself isn't a bad trans, the flywheel and clutch suck IIRC and need swapped to an aftermarket unit.

This particular truck is an odd duck being TTB and shortbed with a manual 460. I don't recall seeing this combo before. I could see an OBS Ford fan wanting it for a daily driver or maybe even a 4x4 prerunner build. Someone obviously spent some time making the exterior paint look nice but the interior and engine bay tell the story that it's led a normal truck life and it's not a "BringATrailer auction $25k creampuff" rig.

$5k is a fair price, and in the right market it might bring $7k these days. It's not exactly what I'm looking for but I wouldn't pass it up at $3-4k.
 
IMO 5k is a steal. I'd pay that for that truck in a heartbeat if I had room to park it right now.
 
I have read, but never seen, that 97 460 was mass air EFI. Anyone else heard of this?
 
78bronco460 said:
I have read, but never seen, that 97 460 was mass air EFI. Anyone else heard of this?
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I’ve heard the tale but I’ve never seen evidence of a MAF 460. I did have a 95 MAF 5.0 pickup. I used to have a 97 speed density 460 pickup, and I also had a 97 speed density 460 E450 motorhome. So I hesitate to believe it’s true.
 
I googled around a bit and found mention of 96/97 MAF 460 F-series trucks that were California emissions trucks. That might be the difference...
 
Will12785 said:
That is what I have heard also. Never seen it myself though.
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Few of them were probably made, and even fewer probably made it to the east coast, and then how many are actually alive 25yr later...

Could be a cool rig to find. But also might end up as a headache due to some parts that might be specific to that CA engine truck.
 
Yotota said:
I googled around a bit and found mention of 96/97 MAF 460 F-series trucks that were California emissions trucks. That might be the difference...
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MA would have got it too. They had a "we want CA vehicles" law back then.

The 1995 MAF + EEC-IV 300 is CA and MA only for the same reason. It gets hypereutectic pistons and SEFI (because SEFI goes with MAF on Fords of the era).
 
The MAF 460s were CA and MA emissions vehicles. Instead of being EEC-IV and OBD1, they are EEC-V and OBD2. Production numbers must be pretty low because I've never seen one in real life. But I have programmed some 96 F150 / Bronco computers to run the 460. The hardware is the same, it's the software that is different. The only pain in the dick with doing that conversion is finding the tone ring that was mounted behind the balancer for misfire monitoring. But, they will still run without it.
 
Was there any difference in hp - tq or fuel mileage on a MAF 460?

My MAF 5.0 was a totally different truck than the SD density 5.0 trucks I’ve had were. 225 hp instead 195 seemed like a lot but the real difference was in fuel mileage.
 
JR4X said:
Was there any difference in hp - tq or fuel mileage on a MAF 460?

My MAF 5.0 was a totally different truck than the SD density 5.0 trucks I’ve had were. 225 hp instead 195 seemed like a lot but the real difference was in fuel mileage.
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Negligible if any but better emissions. The bonus for owner is that it's much easier to just bolt shit to it and let the MAF read the new air and the ECU tell the computer to deal whereas with SD it takes much less modification before you need a tune.

A GT40P roller 5.0 is a huge upgrade over a SD5.0 so that's where most of your improvement was coming from.
 
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arse_sidewards said:
Negligible if any but better emissions. The bonus for owner is that it's much easier to just bolt shit to it and let the MAF read the new air and the ECU tell the computer to deal whereas with SD it takes much less modification before you need a tune.

A GT40P roller 5.0 is a huge upgrade over a SD5.0 so that's where most of your improvement was coming from.
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The SD 460 I’m running now gets 12 mpg and IDGAF about “emissions”. I am very much entertaining the stingerx swap though in conjunction with a cam heads and intake on the stock bottom end. This truck has 94k actual miles on it and I’ve gotten 300K out of them in the past.
 
JR4X said:
The SD 460 I’m running now gets 12 mpg and IDGAF about “emissions”. I am very much entertaining the stingerx swap though in conjunction with a cam heads and intake on the stock bottom end. This truck has 94k actual miles on it and I’ve gotten 300K out of them in the past.
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My point is that emissions is why the OEMs did it and they only did it because they had to. There's a reason they put off doing it on the engine platforms they were discontinuing.

I would def do the swap but it's not my money so take that for what it's worth.
 
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