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I want to roll my military TSP over into an employer plan 401(k). The receiving institution cannot accept the tax exempt contributions, but I see no option for leaving those in the TSP, it only lists it as a cash payout. It also says all the funds will be direct-deposited into my account, but I have 60 days to roll it over.

Questions:

Does this mean I withdraw it all with zero tax withholding, then roll the pre-tax balance via EFT to my Fidelity account within 60 days? If so, can I transfer the money in the meantime into a high-yield savings and then the pre-tax number to Fidelity right before the deadline and make that cash right now (I currently have a savings account with 4.85% APY)? What does that do to my tax-exempt contributions? How do I contribute those to my 401(k) (or am I stuck having to create a separate Roth for them)?

Its not a huge amount in question, ($31xx tax-exempt balance), but I would like to consolidate everything under one roof as I approach retirement age. I would hate to do this wrong and cost myself a $15,000 penalty at tax time.
 
Talk to someone else.

All 401k rollovers are from pre-tax money. (unless you are doing a roth)

I rolled my pre-tax 401k money into a IRA ( I think it was Jackson something... I get the letters every few months)

I would look at all my rollover / IRA options before I put it with my new employers plan.


Edit: I see my fuck up now...
Have you read this?

I am retiring from the Air Force Reserve at the end of the month. I have contributed to the Reserve Thrift Savings Plan and am wondering what I should do with the funds in that account. I am also a federal civilian employee and have a civilian TSP account.



Can I transfer the reserve TSP funds to the civilian account?

Can I continue to contribute to the Reserve TSP?

JOHN SPENCER
Master Sergeant, USAFR
Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio



The TSP website, which does have information on "Post-Separation Withdrawals," explains that if a contributor has both a civilian and a uniformed services Thrift Savings Plan account, and separates from either federal civilian employment or the uniformed service, he or she may withdraw "only the TSP account related to the type of employment from which you are separating."

Once separated, you have the option of combining two accounts into one, that is, to combine the account related to your separation into the other TSP account.

In your case, you can transfer your Air Force Reserve TSP account into your federal civilian account. If the account related to your separation has a Roth balance and your other account only has a traditional balance (or vice versa), you still can combine accounts.

If you were separating from both your federal civilian employment and a uniformed service, you can choose which account you want to keep and combine the two into one using Form TSP-65, "Request to Combine Uniformed Services and Civilian TSP Accounts."

More details are available online at: https://www.tsp.gov/planparticipation/withdrawals/accountOptions.shtml – Tom Philpott


DHA AND TRICARE PRIME

I read your article on the new Defense Health Agency and how it plans to expand on-base care. I'm a retired Marine. Until recently my wife and I have used the Naval Clinic at Quantico for our medical needs. Last March we were informed we could no longer use the clinic because we live more than 40 miles from base. We asked for a waiver, saying we didn't mind the distance. The clinic commander denied our request based on direction from higher headquarters.

A TRICARE representative told us this was due to the Affordable Care Act, and we would have to go where they said or we lose our benefits. Reading your article, it sounds like the DHA will reverse things.

Is this true?

TIMOTHY M. WIMER
USMC-Ret.
Via email

The DHA will push to recapture more military folks for care in base facilities. However, as I indicated in the column, the push will be to use more of existing capacity at larger base facilities and in areas with heavy military populations.

The DHA is not looking to relax the 40-mile rule. It tightened enforcement of the 40-mile rule for TRICARE Prime coverage because it is too costly to maintain managed care networks far from base. Closing these more remote Prime networks, and requiring TRICARE beneficiaries living there to use TRICARE Standard, officials contend, will save health care dollars for the Department of Defense.

All of this, by the way, has nothing to do with the Affordable Care Act, also known as "Obamacare." – Tom Philpott


MEDICARE FEES

Your recent (excellent) article on the implementation of DHA made no mention of TRICARE For Life. TFL is of serious concern to retirees because of its connection to Medicare. Most doctors in our area will accept TRICARE but will no longer accept Medicare patients, which makes second-payer TFL irrelevant.

Everything I've read indicates Medicare reimbursements over the next five or six years will continue to decline, making the problem more serious.

Is anyone looking out for retirees?

LEE ALDRIDGE
USAF-Ret.
Montgomery, Ala.

Members of Congress know they have a problem with the Medicare fee formula for physicians, which also governs TRICARE doctor fees. The issue isn't current fee levels but what will happen if Congress were to allow a flawed reimbursement formula to take full effect so that physician fees fall by almost 25 percent.

Congress has viewed a permanent fix to the formula as too costly. So it has resorted to annual short-term reprieves. But every year that a permanent fix is delayed causes the projected fee cut to grow, deepening the threat of diminished access to care for Medicare and TRICARE users.

Periodically, legislation to reform the Medicare fee formula is introduced, most recently by Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D-Pa.). Her Medicare Physician Payment Innovation Act of 2013 (HR 574) would amend the Social Security Act (SSA) to revise requirements for Medicare payments for physician's services to eliminate the sustainable growth rate system for setting fee schedules.

Proponents generally believe the solution to the Medicare fee formula will be solved as part of a larger debt-reduction deal. – T.P.


Individuals who have served in the Reserve Forces long enough to earn a retirement should be considered veterans! This travesty has prevailed long enough.

I served 33 years and retired from the Air Force Reserve in September 1999. That I was never activated or deployed was an issue beyond my control. My colleagues in this situation and I deserve this recognition and, in my case, burial in a National Cemetery.

I would expect no other benefit!

PHILLIP E. PRICE
Chief Master Sergeant, USAFR-Ret.
Byron, Ga.
 
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Talk to someone else.

All 401k rollovers are from pre-tax money. (unless you are doing a roth)

I rolled my pre-tax 401k money into a IRA ( I think it was Jackson something... I get the letters every few months)

I would look at all my rollover / IRA options before I put it with my new employers plan.


Edit: I see my fuck up now...
Have you read this?
The issue at hand is the CZTE (Combat Zone Tax Exclusion) contributions and their balance today. Its not a Roth balance, nor is it a pre-tax balance, rather a 100% tax-free balance.

What I would like to do is bring all my pre-tax into a single account and leave the tax-exempt amount behind, but it doesn't seem to be possible to do that way. The only option I am seeing online is to have the entire thing distributed via direct deposit and I have to put the pre-tax amount into the 401(k), unless the institution can accept the tax-exempt amount (Fidelity cannot).

I'm probably going to have to sit on hold for 10 hours to speak to the TSP folks, as Fidelity couldn't help with it. Their agent was confused on how I could have a tax-exempt balance at all.
 
fucking hell, you got further than i did. i tried to roll mine over about 2 years back and all i got was they cant do it.
 
The "employer plan" is just a Fidelity 401(k) with employer-matching contributions

Have you tried Schwab or Vanguard? I've had all three and since retiring, have rolled them all into Schwab. So I have an IRA account that has all my 401k plans from various employers, a Schwab managed "Individual" account that was funded from the sale of my last house, and a "Designated Beneficiary" account that I stuffed with extra cash the last few years I was working. I like their www, it has lots of tools, and you can make an IN person appointment to go over strategy, and their phone agents have always been able to help me out when I needed it. I still have a bank account mostly for ATM access, but the bulk of my money is with Schwab, and I can do wire transfers, auto pay (for example the well account I share with my neighbor), etc.. No fees for most transactions is nice as well.
 
Have you tried Schwab or Vanguard? I've had all three and since retiring, have rolled them all into Schwab. So I have an IRA account that has all my 401k plans from various employers, a Schwab managed "Individual" account that was funded from the sale of my last house, and a "Designated Beneficiary" account that I stuffed with extra cash the last few years I was working. I like their www, it has lots of tools, and you can make an IN person appointment to go over strategy, and their phone agents have always been able to help me out when I needed it. I still have a bank account mostly for ATM access, but the bulk of my money is with Schwab, and I can do wire transfers, auto pay (for example the well account I share with my neighbor), etc.. No fees for most transactions is nice as well.
Closest Schwab location is 104 miles from my house...:homer:
 
Telephone lines go a really long distance. Many miles :flipoff2:
Hmm... I wonder why distance would matter...
Have you tried Schwab or Vanguard? I've had all three and since retiring, have rolled them all into Schwab. So I have an IRA account that has all my 401k plans from various employers, a Schwab managed "Individual" account that was funded from the sale of my last house, and a "Designated Beneficiary" account that I stuffed with extra cash the last few years I was working. I like their www, it has lots of tools, and you can make an IN person appointment to go over strategy, and their phone agents have always been able to help me out when I needed it. I still have a bank account mostly for ATM access, but the bulk of my money is with Schwab, and I can do wire transfers, auto pay (for example the well account I share with my neighbor), etc.. No fees for most transactions is nice as well.
:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:
 
The "employer plan" is just a Fidelity 401(k) with employer-matching contributions

current employee match has nothing to do with your old accounts.

the best practice is to have your outside account and every time you change employers move the employer funds to your own outside fund. you lose some of the access to the account features if you are no longer employed by that company.
 
anything pre tax is not pre tax as soon as you touch it
as in
he hands it to you, you hand it to the other guy, you are now paying taxes. It gets transferred directly to the other guy


and

why would you want your employer to have your stuff?
 
anything pre tax is not pre tax as soon as you touch it
as in
he hands it to you, you hand it to the other guy, you are now paying taxes. It gets transferred directly to the other guy


and

why would you want your employer to have your stuff?
I got an actual check from my Fidelity 401k, that I rolled into an IRA at Schwab. Zero taxes paid.
 
That must be an IRS thing, it's the same as I was told.

I walk into the Schwab branch, and give the kid my check and it's the biggest one I've ever held in my hands, but I'm sure they've seen some 7 or 8 digit checks, and the kid says "What are you going to do with it?, and I say "Buy a Trophy Truck". Kid goes, "Cool". I got my receipt and walked out.
 
anything pre tax is not pre tax as soon as you touch it
as in
he hands it to you, you hand it to the other guy, you are now paying taxes. It gets transferred directly to the other guy


and

why would you want your employer to have your stuff?
His situation is different.

This is war zone money (from my miniscule understanding) that isn't taxed, which is his issue on why they are having problems rolling it in.

Op stated it as... "The issue at hand is the CZTE (Combat Zone Tax Exclusion) contributions and their balance today. Its not a Roth balance, nor is it a pre-tax balance, rather a 100% tax-free balance."
 
His situation is different.

This is war zone money (from my miniscule understanding) that isn't taxed, which is his issue on why they are having problems rolling it in.

Op stated it as... "The issue at hand is the CZTE (Combat Zone Tax Exclusion) contributions and their balance today. Its not a Roth balance, nor is it a pre-tax balance, rather a 100% tax-free balance."
gotcha, I am thinking from a normal person point of view.
I think I am caught up now:laughing:
 
A roth IRA since it is not tax deferred, it's tax free, or like I said just a standard brokerage account then you can do with it as you wish.
Which if I was using logic here, would be the ticket. Tax free money going in (from Overseas pay) and tax free money coming out, because ROTH...
But the governemnt doesn't use logic. so...
 
dummy is going to get his ball gage out and be in here to argue shortly
stand by for professional advise :laughing:
 
Which if I was using logic here, would be the ticket. Tax free money going in (from Overseas pay) and tax free money coming out, because ROTH...
But the governemnt doesn't use logic. so...

If he puts it in a standard brokerage account, he'll only have to pay taxes on capital gains...if any upon withdrawl. With a Roth he'll have to wait till 59.5 to take any earnings, he can access the original deposit but not any gains till he's 59.5..

I have to pay taxes on my income producing dividends, but after I pay my house off, I'll probably go back to DRIP for a good chunk of them.
 
If he puts it in a standard brokerage account, he'll only have to pay taxes on capital gains...if any upon withdrawl. With a Roth he'll have to wait till 59.5 to take any earnings, he can access the original deposit but not any gains till he's 59.5..

I have to pay taxes on my income producing dividends, but after I pay my house off, I'll probably go back to DRIP for a good chunk of them.

DRIP?
 
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