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Huh?
We did shots with our intern during our 10am staff meeting last Friday.The dumber the safety bullshit gets the more I like my office job.
The number of people here defending dumb safety bullshit that doesn't make sense in a lot of the situations in which it's implemented as "rules are rule" and similar is too damn high.
So, turn down multi-million dollar contracts over hardhat chin straps. Got it. I'd like to subscribe to your business management newsletter please.
That's a painfully fucking obvious strawman. You fixing to move to the southwest?
You're out of your wheelhouse bud.That's a painfully fucking obvious strawman. You fixing to move to the southwest?
When you see the safety person's boss tell them their safety person is an ass and costing them money for no benefit. Throw a line item on the bill.
Don't just bend over and take dumb management decisions quietly.
The corporate GCs don't give two shits about your opinion on their safety requirements. The shit you're suggesting doesn't work in construction anymore unless you're doing low end tract home bullshit or working for homeowners.That's a painfully fucking obvious strawman. You fixing to move to the southwest?
When you see the safety person's boss tell them their safety person is an ass and costing them money for no benefit. Throw a line item on the bill.
Don't just bend over and take dumb management decisions quietly.
The issue is it's a law from bureaucrats, not a cooked up safety rule by some company cube crawlers. Add to that a vast majority of the projects these dudes are working on are probably funded by .gov welfare money, they have to abide by those rules as that's how the game is played. Whenever I start getting ear fulls from managers about dumbass OSHA laws, I just tell them to write their congressman, or send me an email that you are refusing to abide by this and I'll save that and we move onto the next topic. So glad I'm not in construction safety as it seems like nothing but a PPE and toolbox talk circle jerk.That's a painfully fucking obvious strawman. You fixing to move to the southwest?
When you see the safety person's boss tell them their safety person is an ass and costing them money for no benefit. Throw a line item on the bill.
Don't just bend over and take dumb management decisions quietly.
Yeah I know. The responsibility is just so far removed and so diffuse people who make bad decisions never feel pain from it.
Go do another shot with the intern, what that really means is that it shifts liability off the worker and onto the management team/business owners for employee fuck ups and injuries, shit rolls right back downhill onto the supervisors.
This is the part where I tell you to fuck off to the desert.
Apples and oranges. Again, you are out of your wheelhouse on this one.This is the part where I tell you to fuck off to the desert.
I deal with this sort of human factors shit in my day job (though not in a safety context). Just with money and computer systems instead of Pablo losing a hand.
By adopting BS policies that take agency and discretion away from the workers management (either on or off site) is taking on responsibility for making sure those policies are fit for their purpose, complied with and what happens when everyone does shit right and shit fucks off anyway.
On the other hand, it does really give supervisors a lot of discretion to frame people or shift the focus away from "I suck and what we're doing is fundamentally risky" to "we'll just train people better" when shit does happen.
At the end of the day the owners and top managers are ultimately responsible or liable for almost everything to an extent so it's kind of a wash. You either waste money investing in preventing mishaps or you invest money in paying for the results of the mishaps. I think at the end of the day it's mostly a wash as long as the policies aren't stupid as fuck.
INB4 a real desert dweller shows up to willfully misunderstand me.
Except that's not how OSHA and most state WC programs see it. Yes the head of the facility is ultimately responsible, but they will gladly throw the direct supervisor under the bus. The gay part about OSHA is they will still fine you and hold you responsible if you are following all their laws and someone dies.This is the part where I tell you to fuck off to the desert.
I deal with this sort of human factors shit in my day job (though not in a safety context).
By adopting BS policies that take agency and discretion away from the workers management (either on or off site) is taking on responsibility for making sure those policies are fit for their purpose, complied with and what happens when everyone does shit right and shit fucks off anyway.
On the other hand, it does really give supervisors a lot of discretion to frame people or shift the focus away from "I suck and what we're doing is fundamentally risky" to "we'll just train people better" when shit does happen.
At the end of the day the owners and top managers are ultimately responsible or liable for almost everything to an extent so it's kind of a wash. You either waste money investing in preventing mishaps or you invest money in paying for the results of the mishaps.
INB4 a real desert dweller shows up to willfully misunderstand me.
The lowest level person who provably knew or was responsible for knowing they were violating a bureaucracy's rule is just about always the one who takes the fall.
At the end of the day the workforce anger over dumb safety rules needs to be directed at two entities: unions who lobby for this shit, and personal injury attorneys. OSHA states their rules really don't protect anyone as you can still injure and kill people following them, and they will still fine you. Compared to the private trade groups (NFPA, ansi, etc) they really are pretty weak and outdated anyway.The lowest level person who provably knew or was responsible for knowing they were violating a bureaucracy's rule is just about always the one who takes the fall.
I get that shit gets way more complex and pinning liability is a way higher priority when you've got a bajillion contractor subcontractor relationships in one place.
Man, the more I think about it the more I just hate every party involved.
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I work with most of these GCs and they do not give 2 fucks about some subcontractor making a stand about PPE, they will move on to the next guy or open up a subsidiary to self perform the scope and steal your employees.
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No shit, it's basically a list from 1-50 of clients Ranked by PITA.
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best get that mrna
It's not just the bureaucrats but the insurance companies enforcing this shit as well.
That list is basically our do not bid list.
Insurance companies more than anyone IMO.
I bet there is some study somewhere proving the danger of carrying around xx pounds on your skull
