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Guy answers door in Arizona - shot dead by cops in 5 seconds. Oh he's white...
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vikingsven
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This happened back in May right? Cop hasn't been arrested yet. Why?
The Floyd cops were arrested and charged with little delay.
Hooligan
Xtreme wheeler of the web
Did neighbor make another call to police to make a noise complaint about the gunfire?
I think it's a tough call. Put yourself in the same situation...what would you do in the few seconds you have to make a decision.. But the dead guy, before he was shot, wasn't gonna shoot, right?
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probably same reason the ahmaud aubrey case sat stale for months until the videos were forced released by the lawyers.
"the cops didn't care when they saw the video, they only cared that YOU say the video"
vikingsven
No Skull Member
i would have made a better decision and not shot a guy who was complying with orders...
Shit, in the seconds between when the guy came to the door and the cop shot him, could the cop be 100% certain he was even holding a gun? It could have been a cell phone or his GFs dildo.
I was in that same situation and the sheriffs didn't shoot me. I answered the door yelling WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT as I opened the door when I saw who it was I then said let me put this (the pistol in my hand) away and I did before talking to them.
Unless you have been in that situation, you have no idea how you would react
If anything it's bad training...the cop that shot saw a gun and just reacted. Negligence/manslaughter sure, but I wouldn't call it murder...I highly doubt they intended on killing the guy when they knocked on the door.
You were one lucky fucker... I answered a loud knock at the door, shouted what the fuck do you want as I opened the door, unarmed, and two city cops threatened to shoot me if I moved....
ya just never know how cops may react...
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no.
lot's of people have been in high stress situations and even surprise high stress situations and even surprise high stress situations that result in a fallback to training/stress minded action.
there is no requirement to be in the same situation to be able to pass judgement on what is/is not reasonable
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the vast majority of states do not require murder to be pre-meditated
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You choose to take that risk when you become a cop. You don’t choose to take that risk when you open your front door.
Arizona First Degree Murder Law
Created by FindLaw's team of legal writers and editors | Last updated March 06, 2018
First degree murder occurs in Arizona when someone takes the life of another human being through a premeditated and intentional act.
This is the most serious degree of murder and is punishable as a class 1 felony. The consequences for a first degree murder conviction are steep, going as far as life in prison or death.
Felony Murder in Arizona
A person may also be charged with first degree murder if a death happens during the commission of certain crimes. An individual can be charged under the felony murder rule when a death happens during a felony such as:
For example, let's say Jodi is armed with a gun and decides to break into her boyfriend's house to steal, pilfer and a kidnap him. If she pulls a gun out and accidentally shoots him in the process, that's felony murder.
Under the felony murder rule, all participants of a felony can be charged with murder if a homicide occurs. This is true even if a participant isn't directly responsible for the death.
The following table highlights the main provisions of Arizona's first-degree and felony murder laws. See also Voluntary Manslaughter, Involuntary Manslaughter, First Degree Murder Defenses, and First Degree Murder Penalties and Sentencing.
Created by FindLaw's team of legal writers and editors | Last updated March 06, 2018
First degree murder occurs in Arizona when someone takes the life of another human being through a premeditated and intentional act.
This is the most serious degree of murder and is punishable as a class 1 felony. The consequences for a first degree murder conviction are steep, going as far as life in prison or death.
Felony Murder in Arizona
A person may also be charged with first degree murder if a death happens during the commission of certain crimes. An individual can be charged under the felony murder rule when a death happens during a felony such as:
- Kidnapping
- Unlawful flight from law enforcement.
- Robbery
- Child molestation
- Sexual assault
- Arson
For example, let's say Jodi is armed with a gun and decides to break into her boyfriend's house to steal, pilfer and a kidnap him. If she pulls a gun out and accidentally shoots him in the process, that's felony murder.
Under the felony murder rule, all participants of a felony can be charged with murder if a homicide occurs. This is true even if a participant isn't directly responsible for the death.
The following table highlights the main provisions of Arizona's first-degree and felony murder laws. See also Voluntary Manslaughter, Involuntary Manslaughter, First Degree Murder Defenses, and First Degree Murder Penalties and Sentencing.
| Code Sections | A.R.S. section 13-1105 |
| What is Prohibited | An unlawful killing that was committed deliberately with premeditation and malice aforethought, or murder resulting from the commission of a crime punishable with death or imprisonment for life. (Felony Murder) |
| Felony Murder | A homicide (killing of a human) that takes place in conjunction with a certain felony crimes punishable by death or life in prison, such as robbery, burglary, etc. |
| Malice Aforethought | Malice aforethought can include any intent to inflict a serious bodily injury or death upon another person. |
| Civil Case | Possible Wrongful Death lawsuit |
| Penalty | Death, life in prison without the possibility of parole, or life in prison with parole eligibility after 25 years have been served. |
Sure, but Arizona does (see above post)...and even then, the guy did have a gun.
Not that I'm making excuses for the cop, the guy shouldn't have been shot, but not murder.
Provience
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2nd degree sounds like a reasonable fit
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/arizon...urder-law.html
he certainly intended to kill or cause grave bodily harm to the guy.
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see above post, arizona, like most states, has various levels of murder
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.we each have our opinions ,mine is based on high stress situations and seeing people react in different ways despite experience... ,so let's leave it at that.
Provience
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I agreeYes, and that second degree description would fit if the victim didn't have a weapon....the cop will never get convicted of murder, and IMO rightly so, but should get convicted of manslaughter.
FleshEater
Ordinary Average Guy
Just saw this. Listening to that guy die was awful. Fuck cops and fuck nosey neighbors. My gosh. It’s America, we can answer the door with a gun.
FleshEater
Ordinary Average Guy
My gosh, some of you sympathizers for the cops on here make me sick. DMG nailed it. Someone bangs on my door in the middle of the night and I’m answering it with a pistol. Pussy cops need removed from the force. Like I said, in America we have the right to protect our homes and to answer our doors with guns.
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ugh, that guy again?
didn't this happen like a month ago?
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that gun was as deadly as the hands at the end of his arms...so unless the guy is a quadriplegic and out of his chair it can't be a 2nd murder charge?
WaterH
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Looks like murder to me. There was no probable cause to assume anything at that door. They don't even know if it's the right door. The guy has a right to answer his door with a gun. If the guy said hands to the police officers and than shot them, it would be murder. I'm fairly pro cop, but that's murder.
petro812
Blackskull Oblivian
Cops should only return fire. Them's the rules most everywhere else.
Slander
Team no stickys
At least the cops got to go home safe that night.....
How quickly would any of us be in jail if we blasted a dude 5 seconds after the door opens? bullshit!! The other cops should have immediately cuffed the officer that shot him and taken his ass into custody.
How quickly would any of us be in jail if we blasted a dude 5 seconds after the door opens? bullshit!! The other cops should have immediately cuffed the officer that shot him and taken his ass into custody.