woods
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I'm surprised landscapers are that far up the list.
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Guy answers door in Arizona - shot dead by cops in 5 seconds. Oh he's white...
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I'm surprised landscapers are that far up the list.
Fucked up deal for sure, I have always been instructed when you draw and show you have already made the decision to pull the trigger, pointing a handgun like a tatted up badass will get you shot.
Here's the same list 1 year newer, didn't find anything more recent in a 30-second search:
vikingsven
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Having a gun in your hand on your property or residence is not a crime. The guy didn't point it at the cops or make any threatening gestures before they shot him. The cops were not in imminent danger and were not defending themselves or anyone else. This is murder. Plain and simple.
Fuck that was hard to watch.
Fuck that was hard to watch.
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DMG
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Or just disappear. I am fine with either.
ev13wt
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Need to practice my door opening drills again...
1. do not consider ooening the door until you know what's up.
2. announce how many people are inside
3. Explain whatwwhat type andtand amountaamount of weapons and were they are.
4. Make sure the cops are relaxed
5. Open door and stick out both hands first
Shit isn't that hard. I roll down the back window first thing when a cop lights me up on 101 or 280. Stick hands out the rolled down side window. Announce what weapons are where. I've done this a couple of times and hey, I never got close to being shot.
As luck would have it.
Cops are sometimes really dumb or just itching to kill.
Fuck the police.
1. do not consider ooening the door until you know what's up.
2. announce how many people are inside
3. Explain whatwwhat type andtand amountaamount of weapons and were they are.
4. Make sure the cops are relaxed
5. Open door and stick out both hands first
Shit isn't that hard. I roll down the back window first thing when a cop lights me up on 101 or 280. Stick hands out the rolled down side window. Announce what weapons are where. I've done this a couple of times and hey, I never got close to being shot.
As luck would have it.
Cops are sometimes really dumb or just itching to kill.
Fuck the police.
woods
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Extending off this, you guys make cops aware you're armed when pulled over? I haven't been pulled over since I've been carrying. Not sure if that is something you make know. I also live in a free state where OC and CC are lawful without any permits.
vikingsven
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I wouldn't. If the cop asks I may tell him, but i generally don't offer up any additional information not pertaining to the reason I was stopped if I can help it. It's not relevant to the stop. i would think police in general would assume everyone is armed as a matter of practice.
Motorcharge
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Not required here unless you're asked, then it's a crime if you lie about it.
Only had a state trooper ask once, disclosed immediately and then had him rant for like 10 fucking minutes about how I don't need a gun. He finally dropped it after I asked him to have a supervisor come out so I could file a complaint.
Told a county cop once because it was in my glove box where my registration was and I didn't want him to just see it and it become an issue. He couldn't care less and we ended up talking about guns for a while.
Other than that, no, it's none of their business what's in my house or car.
clodhopper
Get off my lawn, punk!
I hand my conceal card along with my license. If he cares, he will ask. Never been asked, but to be fair, I don't bet pulled over much and firearms are pretty common where I live.
Tinstar
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Zero reason to shoot that guy. He was complying. The shooter should be held accountable along with the 911 caller. Does the shooter have a history of excessive force complaints?
Departmental policy and training should also get a hard look. There may be problems there as well.
Departmental policy and training should also get a hard look. There may be problems there as well.
BCzuk
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That was sickening 
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finally watched the bodycam footage. holy fuck 
MChat
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You can see in the video both officers took positions that make it impossible to identify anyone through a peephole (not to mention how dark it was). Couple this with recent (within the last year or so, IIRC) cases of home invasion by criminals that knocked on doors claiming to be police officers (in come cases even wearing police-like "uniforms"). Yelling "Phoenix Police" at the door IS NOT identifying yourself as a police officer; ANYONE call yell those words.
Police officers need to be trained to be smarter than this. Look at it from the "civilian's" point of view: It's dark and some jack-ss is pounding on your door in the dark of the night claiming to be a "police officer", you're just going to open your door KNOWING that there have been RECENT cases of home invasion by people claiming to be police officers?
After watching this, I'm not opening the door for anyone that claims to be a police officer until after I have verified with 9-1-1 that they are who they claim to be. Period.
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I agree with the only draw to shoot notion, not sure why the cop felt the need to knock with his gun out. dead guy didn't appear to have a holster, but certainly didn't have his gun pointed or presented at anything from what i could see
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nor in WA, but they "suggest you do"
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I linked the video above so everyone can see it.
But as to the "cops are your neighbors", you are making things up out of thin air. This was not a particularly urban setting where your supposed 'special forces' are employed as cops.
Ex-military and 'special forces' are more likely to hail from rural areas. Those areas provide State Troopers and Sheriffs.
Ex-military and 'special forces' are our neighbor's kids too.
Your entire post doesn't make sense, but I'm getting the impression you are making excuses for LEO.
As I've said a million times before, WHITES are more likely to be killed by police than BLACKS, and Whites don't do shit, largely because of guys like you.
Did you watch the video? Watch the video. The woman is an expert, she is saying the same thing I have been saying since before this board was founded.
This will get worse after all of this, because Whites don't stand up for themselves and make excuses for cops. Blacks, however, stand up for themselves, and they are killed by police less.
Stop making excuses.
No that this helps the room-temperature guy or folks in apartments, but . . .
We have a white-powdercoated aluminum security screen door over our front door.
Much better than door peephole.
During daytime, or at night w/ porch light on, we see outside perfectly & outsiders can't see shit.
It's entertaining when a scammer or solicitor says, "I can't see you"
--> "I know that. Now, what do you want?"
We have a white-powdercoated aluminum security screen door over our front door.
Much better than door peephole.
During daytime, or at night w/ porch light on, we see outside perfectly & outsiders can't see shit.
It's entertaining when a scammer or solicitor says, "I can't see you"
--> "I know that. Now, what do you want?"
ConwayMuddy
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I'm lucky if I can hear someone knock on my door without a TV on. Bang on the door after dark I'd greet you with a gun as well. Guy was walking out, started to lower his gun and ended up dead, fuck both of those cops.
evernoob
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This was advocated for young women being pulled over by Blues n' Twos years ago, especially if they're driving alone. Call 911, then drive to a gas station or something, then pull over. The cops didn't like that because they are worried about gang-bangers doing it, but I can't remember if a definitive legal determination was made on this.
I don't open the door for people much. I make them shout through the door, unless it's summer then I have my door open with a fan in the way with no screen. But, I can also hear people coming up my stairs. My stairs are a booby trap. Not my responsibility either, I rent. :D
local news write up.
"It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting
Uriel J. Garcia
Arizona Republic
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Ryan Whitaker had heard a stranger knock on his Ahwatukee apartment door in the middle of the night earlier in May. So when he heard a similar knock on a Thursday after 10 p.m. later that same week, he answered the door holding his 9 mm gun.
Holding the gun in his right hand, he was confronted by two Phoenix police officers standing on either side of the door. They appeared surprised by the sight of the firearm, body camera footage shows.
Three seconds after Whitaker opened the door, Phoenix Officer Jeff Cooke shot Whitaker in the back at least two times, killing the 40-year-old man.
The deadly episode, which happened on May 21, is part of a string of Phoenix police shootings this year that has, yet again, reinvigorated criticism from advocates who say officers are too quick to use deadly force to resolve incidents.
Phoenix police had portrayed Whitaker's shooting as an emergency domestic violence call. A 30-minute police body camera video released this week indicates the incident started over a noise complaint from a neighbor upstairs who called police twice.
The police report and Officer John Ferragamo's body camera footage was released this week as part of a public records request from The Arizona Republic and the family's lawyer. Ferragamo was the other officer at the scene with Cooke. He pointed his firearm at Whitaker but did not shoot.
The family's lawyer says the footage shows Cooke overreacted and was reckless.
"The Phoenix Police Department knew from the night of the shooting that this was a false and exaggerated 911 call," Matthew Cunnigham said.
The caller complained about people screaming at each other and said he couldn't go to sleep because of the noise. In a second call to 911, he alleges that the screaming had escalated into a physical fight.
"It could be physical," the caller told a 911 dispatcher. "I could say yeah if that makes anybody hurry on up. Get anybody here faster."
'Did you like all that helpful info we got from our complainant'
When Cooke and Ferragamo arrived at the apartment building, Ferragamo sounded annoyed because the caller didn't provide more details, according to the videofootage.
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"Did you like all that helpful info we got from our complainant?" Ferragamo is heard telling Cooke as they walk to Whitaker's apartment, according to the footage.
" 'I'm just gonna say yes to all the questions to get the officers here faster,' " Ferragamo says, mocking the caller.
Cooke's unedited body camera footage was not released and his responses are inaudible.
As they approach the apartment, no sounds of fighting or loud noises are heard coming from the unit.
Moments later, Ferragamo knocks on the door, identifying himself as Phoenix police. The officers stand to either side of the door, making it impossible for anyone looking out of the peephole to see who was there.
Whitaker opens the door, with the gun in hand and rapidly takes a couple of steps out of the apartment as Ferragamo flashes a light in his face. Ferragamo greets Whitaker and then repeatedly yells, "Hands," according to the footage.
Whitaker is seen in the video starting to get on his knees, putting his left hand up and putting the gun behind his back when Cooke fires into Whitaker's back.
A slow-motion video, edited by the family lawyer, appears to show that Whitaker had put the gun down, Cunnigham said.
Whitaker then falls to the ground, writhing in pain and struggling to breathe.
"Holy s--!" Ferragamo is heard saying in the video.
'Why did you guys shoot him?'
Seconds after the shooting, Whitaker's girlfriend, Brandee Nees walked out of the apartment screaming.
"Why did you guys shoot him?" Nees yelled.
Cooke responds, "He just pulled a gun on us, ma'am."
"Because it's dark and someone just knocked on the door," she yelled at Cooke.
Ferragamo then says, "It's OK." It's unclear if he says this to Cooke or Nees.
But, Nees yells, "It's not OK."
Whitaker is still on the ground in front of the door at this point. Neither officer has touched him.
Nees asks why they are there, and both officers tell her they received a call reporting a fight between them.
Nees tells officers that Whitaker had answered the door with a gun because a few days earlier Whitaker heard a knock on his door in the middle of the night, according to the video footage. When he peeked through the peephole, she says in the video, he noticed that whoever knocked was gone.
She tells Ferragamo that in another instance, a woman who used to live in the complex had knocked at Whitaker's door asking for help because she had gotten into a fight with her partner, the video footage shows.
She said that these two incidents had put Whitaker on alert about people knocking at his door in the middle of the night.
'Literally we were making salsa and playing Crash Bandicoot'
Nees tells Ferragamo that Whitaker had gone to his daughter's high school graduation earlier that day. Whitaker returned to the apartment, where Nees was playing Crash Bandicoot on a Playstation game console.
Then they both played together and in the excitement of the game, they began to scream, she said, according to the video.
"Literally we were making salsa and playing Crash Bandicoot, so there may have been some screaming," she told the officer, according to the video. "It wasn't domestic violence or anything."
Ferragamo told her that that's how the call came in to 911 dispatchers.
In the video, Nees begs to be near Whitaker who can be heard on the video loudly taking his last breaths on the concrete floor outside the apartment door.
Nees, who is several feet away from Whitaker at this point, asks the officer if he could handcuff her so she could be near her boyfriend.
After the officer says no, she asks if Ferragamo could check if Whitaker was OK.
"I'm leaning toward the fact that he's not," Ferragamo responds.
According to the police report, Cooke later that night told detectives that he shot Whitaker because he feared for his life. Ferragamo later tells another officer at the scene that he would have done the same, but didn't because Cooke did, according to the video footage and the police report.
Ferragamo said the shooting happened so fast that he didn't know if Whitaker was aware that Cooke was behind him, according to the video footage and the police report.
'Designed to protect and defend an officer'
Whitaker's family, Cunnigham and advocates have demanded that the Police Department release unedited body camera footage from both of the officers and the 911 calls.
Cunnigham said that after viewing the 30-minute footagefrom Ferragamo, it reinforces to him that Whitaker was not a threat.
Critics have said that the YouTube videos the Police Department produces to update the public on police shootings, including this incident, only include selective information that helps justify the shooting.
Cunnigham also took issue with how Phoenix police portrayed the incident in a YouTube video. The video includes edited snippets of both officers' body cameras and not full recordings.
Police have said the videos are meant to inform the public and are not intended to make a determination about whether the shooting was justified.
Cunningham disagrees.
“They put a narrative out there designed to protect and defend an officer that overreacted,” he said.
He said he wants the public to be aware of this case and hold the Police Department accountable.
"This is something that could happen to any of us," he said."
Having inbed issues, video in this article is the Shooter cops bodycam. My take is shooter cop thought guy was a nano second from shooting the approaching cop.
https://www.azfamily.com/news/phoeni...514e61a50.html
Not Guilty until proven. Everyone gets there day in front of a Judge or Jury.
https://www.azfamily.com/news/phoeni...514e61a50.html
Not Guilty until proven. Everyone gets there day in front of a Judge or Jury.
vikingsven
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I agree, not guilty until proven.
That said, I saw nothing in that video that indicated that the guy was about to shoot or was a threat. He came out, had his hand in the air, complied with the other officer, was getting down on the ground when the cop in the video popped him. That's murder.
The cop's excuse that he feared for his life as a reason for shooting this man is BS.
Additionally, the officers refusing to help the man and their comments about him in the aftermath, shows a blatant disregard for human life, IMO. They gave zero fucks that they ended an innocent man's life.
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88mitsu
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A big factor to the police problem is people calling the police for everything. They would have never showed up if you didnt call and either dont let things bother you or deal with problems yourself.
I hope the scumbag that called the cops cause his apartment complex is too noisy gets a brain tumor that makes his ears ring and gives him a never ending headache for the rest of his life.
I hope the scumbag that called the cops cause his apartment complex is too noisy gets a brain tumor that makes his ears ring and gives him a never ending headache for the rest of his life.
BarfBag
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and who will "prove" it? It will be internally investigated and deemed a justified shooting, just like the park ranger that killed unarmed Gage Lorentz in New Mexico in March.
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not guilty until proven, but i've got a hard time seeing how this can be proven any other way. as long as we are postulating on the internet, cop is done for
vikingsven
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That's true, but the flip side often is if you try to deal with it yourself you open yourself up to a lot of liability and who knows what else. Cops are supposed to be the authorities and the ones who 'both' sides will often listen to in a dispute. You, me -- anyone can ignore us and tell us to fuck off. Cops, not so much. At least, that's how I always saw it.
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vikingsven
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I hear ya. Cops protecting cops is a major issue.