Giving the youtubes thing a shot.....

[SomeGuy]

Depends on what you're using it for. Purely informational videos(how to bleed brakes, setting backlash on gears, swapping an alternator, etc) should be quick and to the point. No one has time to listen to a 5 minute intro of some youtuber talking into the camera. Unique builds and wheeling videos though, I think fall under the entertainment category, and 20 - 30 minutes sounds good to me while I sit on the couch eating chips.

The correct answer is, exactly the length necessary to show the important information and/or tell the story and NOTHING more. YouTube is fickle like that, AVD is really important to success.

 

[Wilson]

Good job Jeff! What are you using for a camera?

 

[Sandy Johnson]

The correct answer is, exactly the length necessary to show the important information and/or tell the story and NOTHING more. YouTube is fickle like that, AVD is really important to success.

Sure, but if I remember right, there's also another youtube algorithm that sets a minimum length on videos that can be monetized. That's why some videos that could be waay shorter have stupid long intros and outros.

 

[MigGunslinger]

Depends on what you're using it for. Purely informational videos(how to bleed brakes, setting backlash on gears, swapping an alternator, etc) should be quick and to the point. No one has time to listen to a 5 minute intro of some youtuber talking into the camera. Unique builds and wheeling videos though, I think fall under the entertainment category, and 20 - 30 minutes sounds good to me while I sit on the couch eating chips.

I can't tell you how many times I have been looking for a really specific how-to and had to skip through 3-4 minutes of some dude talking about what the weather was like in a particular week in central Ohio 4 years ago. Hell of it is somewhere in there they have the exact info I need with a good camera angle. There are some channels that have a more bloggy feel that a little bit of chit chat is ok.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

I can't tell you how many times I have been looking for a really specific how-to and had to skip through 3-4 minutes of some dude talking about what the weather was like in a particular week in central Ohio 4 years ago. Hell of it is somewhere in there they have the exact info I need with a good camera angle. There are some channels that have a more bloggy feel that a little bit of chit chat is ok.

Yeah, Youtube needs to embrace being a one stop place for quick DIY answers and somehow incentivize quick and to the point how-to vids.

 

[SomeGuy]

Sure, but if I remember right, there's also another youtube algorithm that sets a minimum length on videos that can be monetized. That's why some videos that could be waay shorter have stupid long intros and outros.

You need 8 minutes to get mid-roll ads, shorter vids still get monetized, but don't have the ads mid-way through.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

You need 8 minutes to get mid-roll ads, shorter vids still get monetized, but don't have the ads mid-way through.

Ah, that's what it was. So everyone launching into a pre-activity soliloquy on youtube is doing it because they want to and not because they have to?

Society is doomed.

 

[Tech Tim]

Sure, but if I remember right, there's also another youtube algorithm that sets a minimum length on videos that can be monetized. That's why some videos that could be waay shorter have stupid long intros and outros.

You need videos in all lengths to get the algorithms in your favor. Do 3 min, 10 min, 20-30 min vids and definitely some "shorts".

Our feed has up lately because we've been hitting the shorts pretty hard lately.

 

[reptillikus]

Ah, that's what it was. So everyone launching into a pre-activity soliloquy on youtube is doing it because they want to and not because they have to?

Society is doomed.

The money is in the ads, not the views.
Shorts aren't monetized, altho YT is now talking about monetizing them (presumably to compete with TikTok).

 

[TimJus]

The money is in the ads, not the views.
Shorts aren't monetized, altho YT is now talking about monetizing them (presumably to compete with TikTok).

from 1.2.2023 they are and premium also start to count

 

[subybaja]

You need videos in all lengths to get the algorithms in your favor. Do 3 min, 10 min, 20-30 min vids and definitely some "shorts".

Our feed has up lately because we've been hitting the shorts pretty hard lately.

I hate those things. They're like empty candy wrappers clogging up the sidewalk.

I'm usually going to pass by a 45:00 video, and I'm also not going to keep clicking on shorts every 20 seconds.

TikTok blows, but YT really wants their lunch.

 

[xr-nut]

Depends on what you're using it for. Purely informational videos(how to bleed brakes, setting backlash on gears, swapping an alternator, etc) should be quick and to the point. No one has time to listen to a 5 minute intro of some youtuber talking into the camera. Unique builds and wheeling videos though, I think fall under the entertainment category, and 20 - 30 minutes sounds good to me while I sit on the couch eating chips.

I was being sarcastic. Of course I watch longer videos. Nicole Johnsons Detour and vicegrip garage are 2 that will keep my attention for hours.

 

[KrustyTJ]

x whatever on longer videos subd and following for some yota and zuki builds

 

[ExWrench]

Shorts are just ash clogging up the coals. I stopped watching 'em because fuck that concept entirely. Other than that, they're a great idea

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Nice work, sub'd on both tubes and instas


fwiw, your voice isnt as bad as your face. continue on.






edit to add, keep the intro and music. intro is short enough to not lose my attention.

We thought that a lot of couples together would find the intro funny.

Pretty cool. Liked/subscribed/all that BS.

My major in college was film with an emphasis on non-linear editing. What you need to know?

I don't know enough to even know what to ask

I didn't catch the length stamp, but I'm typically looking for 20 minute vids when on YT. I know your's wasn't that long, Just information for you about length of videos.

In my head I was thinking 15 Mins max for in the garage and maybe longer for wheelin trips. I was so worried about this being too long I may have made it too short.

Good job Jeff! What are you using for a camera?

Just my phone galaxy S21

I guess Danielle ordered an insta360 camera.

You need videos in all lengths to get the algorithms in your favor. Do 3 min, 10 min, 20-30 min vids and definitely some "shorts".

Our feed has up lately because we've been hitting the shorts pretty hard lately.

Good to know

x whatever on longer videos subd and following for some yota and zuki builds

So another guy wanting a little longer. I'm assuming you mean to just have more steps on the project, ot just more in depth on the same subject?

 

[Sandy Johnson]

I don't know enough to even know what to ask

Want some constructive criticism? Some people get bent out of shape, so I try not to offer advice unless it's requested. I won't tell you how to encode your video or operate whatever editing software you're using, but I do have some suggestions on the pacing of your video (when to cut and why, etc).

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Want some constructive criticism? Some people get bent out of shape, so I try not to offer advice unless it's requested. I won't tell you how to encode your video or operate whatever editing software you're using, but I do have some suggestions on the pacing of your video (when to cut and why, etc).

I'd love some, if I was sensitive, I wouldn't have posted here

 

[Beat95yj]

SUB’d Will watch when the power comes back.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Subb'ed.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

I'd love some, if I was sensitive, I wouldn't have posted here

Ok, so I'm not going to say what's entertaining or not, because that's entirely subjective, but there are a few things you could do to help people follow your storytelling.

I first want to say you have an advantage over a lot of people because you have something you want to share and you know what information you want to convey with your videos.

Some of your flash back cuts are really quick (example: the cut to your boat sides at ~1:08) and they don't really give the audience's brain enough to to catch up to what's going on. There's a great book called In The Blink Of An Eye by Walter Murch(In the Blink of an Eye: A Perspective on Film Editing, 2nd Edition: Murch, Walter, Coppola, Francis Ford: 9781879505629: Amazon.com: Books) that goes into detail about the timing of cuts and when to cut to a new perspective. One of the principals mentioned in there is that humans need a second to process the visual information that they're seeing on the screen. You as the photographer/storyteller/director/editor already know what is being said when you cut everything together, but for most of your audience, it's new, so you have to give them a second to catch up. Screen size plays a big role in this too. It takes longer for the human eye to take in something on a movie screen, or big screen TV than say a 20" computer monitor or cell phone. I know you had some challenges with the cut example I gave you- it looks like you didn't have much time in the cut for a pause, but you did mention that you sped your voice up, so maybe slow the audio down again right before you cut to the boatsides to give it a little pause. You also cut away to your rig on some large rocks using said boatsides. You could give yourself a little more breathing room if you leave the audio of yourself talking about the cut boatsides over the images showing your yota on the rocks.

Basically, you're saying the same stuff and showing same stuff, just doing it at the same time so there is an immediate visual example to what you're talking about.

It's good you sped up the work you did on the door but at key points of that, I would slow down what you're doing for a few seconds so people can get an idea of what's going on, or maybe shoot a couple of close ups to throw in there.

Oh yeah, and I don't think you need to speed up your talking parts. Sometimes talking slower lets the slow people in the room catch up.

Lastly, back to the blink of an eye book- the other main point Murch makes is that he believes that when someone has gathered all the information they need in a visual scene in real life, they will blink. His theory is that if you apply that same philosophy to cutting your film (waiting until you would normally "blink"), your cuts will feel more natural to the audience.

Quick tip for efficient post production work that I found work for me:
Step1: Watch all of your footage all the way through once without doing anything.

Step 2: watch it all again, but trim and organize your footage into clips. The better you label and organize them into whatever folders or containers your editing software has, the better.

Step 3: now go back and begin to organize those clips into a story. (if you're serious type a, you can story board it first, but when I'm just banging out youtube type stuff, I don't do that).

Step 4: go back and watch your whole cut start to finish with fresh eyes. (Sometimes I wait a day or so). Make notes on things that work or don't work for you.

Step 5: recut to your notes.

-Rinse and repeat steps 4 and 5 as many times as necessary until you're happy.

 

[KrustyTJ]

So another guy wanting a little longer. I'm assuming you mean to just have more steps on the project, ot just more in depth on the same subject?

I guess you could have gotten a few more minutes out of why you would run half doors most people here know why . If you look at a channel like Matt’s off-road and recovery I would guess most of his subscribers don’t wheel and probably never will they will describe stuff that’s common knowledge to us here .

I just watched his kids channel which I rarely watch either of them but his homemade track build drew me in and being a guy that rides sleds I thinking they look heavy also curious to see how his tensioner works .

Your boatsides build would have been a good video I think if you get videos in the 10-20 minutes in length you could draw more people in could always do some on tow rig repairs and trailer type maintenance and mods .

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Oh yeah, and you just jumped right in with what you're currently working on. I bet a lot of people would have loved a separate video that pretty much just does a walk through of your rig and what you use it for as sort of an introduction to your channel first.

 

[Grnd93]

Give you a like & sub.

not sure if you have done it or not, but a brief introduction of who you are and what kind of content your channel will have would be helpful. This can be either a short standalone video or at the beginning of one of your first videos. The helps give your audience a reason why they should watch.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Ok, so I'm not going to say what's entertaining or not, because that's entirely subjective, but there are a few things you could do to help people follow your storytelling.

I first want to say you have an advantage over a lot of people because you have something you want to share and you know what information you want to convey with your videos.

Some of your flash back cuts are really quick (example: the cut to your boat sides at ~1:08) and they don't really give the audience's brain enough to to catch up to what's going on.

Well I guess the wife was right, as usual I wanted them to be quick, she wanted longer.

There's a great book called In The Blink Of An Eye by Walter Murch(In the Blink of an Eye: A Perspective on Film Editing, 2nd Edition: Murch, Walter, Coppola, Francis Ford: 9781879505629: Amazon.com: Books) that goes into detail about the timing of cuts and when to cut to a new perspective. One of the principals mentioned in there is that humans need a second to process the visual information that they're seeing on the screen. You as the photographer/storyteller/director/editor already know what is being said when you cut everything together, but for most of your audience, it's new, so you have to give them a second to catch up. Screen size plays a big role in this too. It takes longer for the human eye to take in something on a movie screen, or big screen TV than say a 20" computer monitor or cell phone. I know you had some challenges with the cut example I gave you- it looks like you didn't have much time in the cut for a pause, but you did mention that you sped your voice up, so maybe slow the audio down again right before you cut to the boatsides to give it a little pause. You also cut away to your rig on some large rocks using said boatsides. You could give yourself a little more breathing room if you leave the audio of yourself talking about the cut boatsides over the images showing your yota on the rocks.

This is what I was struggling with in canva, I wanted to show the pics and keep the audio playing, but couldn't figure it out. I Googled how to separate audio and video and the results showed a different tool bar than me

Basically, you're saying the same stuff and showing same stuff, just doing it at the same time so there is an immediate visual example to what you're talking about.

I'm glad I made this thread, I really got hung up on trying to keep the video short. I see so many 40 min videos about almost nothing and usually never finish them. Obviously I over did it. I now realize that short is not the goal, but to just keep it to the point. I could have added at least a minute to it and it wouldn't have been long by any means. I'm going to try and stick more towards 15 minutes, but also not get too hung up on it.

It's good you sped up the work you did on the door but at key points of that, I would slow down what you're doing for a few seconds so people can get an idea of what's going on, or maybe shoot a couple of close ups to throw in there.

Those were filmed as time-lapse. I thought I did pause for close ups and explanation

Oh yeah, and I don't think you need to speed up your talking parts. Sometimes talking slower lets the slow people in the room catch up.

Good to know, like I said, I got very hung up on keeping the video short.

Lastly, back to the blink of an eye book- the other main point Murch makes is that he believes that when someone has gathered all the information they need in a visual scene in real life, they will blink. His theory is that if you apply that same philosophy to cutting your film (waiting until you would normally "blink"), your cuts will feel more natural to the audience.

Is that the theory behind how TV shows cut a new shot every 3 seconds?

Quick tip for efficient post production work that I found work for me:
Step1: Watch all of your footage all the way through once without doing anything.

Step 2: watch it all again, but trim and organize your footage into clips. The better you label and organize them into whatever folders or containers your editing software has, the better.

Step 3: now go back and begin to organize those clips into a story. (if you're serious type a, you can story board it first, but when I'm just banging out youtube type stuff, I don't do that).

Step 4: go back and watch your whole cut start to finish with fresh eyes. (Sometimes I wait a day or so). Make notes on things that work or don't work for you.

Step 5: recut to your notes.

-Rinse and repeat steps 4 and 5 as many times as necessary until you're happy.

Thank you for your input, I'll probably have to read this a few times to fully get it.

I guess you could have gotten a few more minutes out of why you would run half doors most people here know why . If you look at a channel like Matt’s off-road and recovery I would guess most of his subscribers don’t wheel and probably never will they will describe stuff that’s common knowledge to us here .

I'm torn there, I'm not trying to dumb it down too much and possibly loose guys like "us". For example, I can't get through 30 seconds of his videos.

I just watched his kids channel which I rarely watch either of them but his homemade track build drew me in and being a guy that rides sleds I thinking they look heavy also curious to see how his tensioner works .

Your boatsides build would have been a good video I think if you get videos in the 10-20 minutes in length you could draw more people in could always do some on tow rig repairs and trailer type maintenance and mods .

I should have started the channel when I bought the truck last summer. It was just a regular cab Toyota with a flat bed. The cage and boatsides would have been good content for sure.

Oh yeah, and you just jumped right in with what you're currently working on. I bet a lot of people would have loved a separate video that pretty much just does a walk through of your rig and what you use it for as sort of an introduction to your channel first.

I'm going to do a walk around video soon, I had thought maybe doing it this way might get some people curious and build a little suspense.

I did do a very simple channel intro also, just never posted it here. I might add some more intro type stuff into the walk around now that you bring it up.

 

[blthomas]

Thought it was a good video. Liked, sub'd.

What kind of carport? What size?

Thanks

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Thought it was a good video. Liked, sub'd.

What kind of carport? What size?

Thanks

Thanks

Good old harbor freight 12x20 $400

I was actually surprised at how nice it is for $400. Maybe I should do a short video on it?


So I'm not sure if this is against everything everyone said in this video, but I made a short video about my little trail welder kit. I may try to do more videos like this and call them "quick tips" trying to put stuff out there for everyone. Maybe this one is short enough for plym49.2

 

[Wilson]

What I really pick up on with the channels that I frequent is a sense of true passion; the characters “ooze” that passion onto the screen. You like and enjoy wheeling and the process of building, but you are passionate about your family. Show that, I think you will gain more subscribers with that side of your personality. You are a committed husband and father, weave the wheeling/ fab’ing into that.

 

[subybaja]

Fucker. I just went to look out the window, trying to figure out who was killing a dog in the alley.

The yelping came back when I pushed play.

I guess you could have gotten a few more minutes out of why you would run half doors most people here know why . If you look at a channel like Matt’s off-road and recovery...

I just watched his kids channel ...

I was going to mention those two. Matt has 6 people getting film, and the kid (especially at the start) was just him wandering around doing things one-handed. BIG difference. It's worth watching one of Matts vids vs Rudy's for comparison. I think a second person shooting is a huge addition- it gives the audience a viewpoint. Instead of just one guy talking to himself, we're there looking at your stuff. Even 1-man handheld vs tripod gives a little variety.

That said, AvE and ThisOldTony both do the single-cam thing...

Does everyone here own that goofy hood?

When i watched the door video the first time, I was expecting to be shown the half doors, and then you went straight into the cutting/welding. I just went back, and you can see them installed 5 seconds in, when you're talking about the roof. Maybe it's like Harry Fishnuts said, I just wasn't keeping up...

 

[Sandy Johnson]

I think you're on a good path, it's good to have a differing opinion like your wife's or others to bounce ideas off and find out what worked and what didn't.

Might be there are some other decent open source video editors out there if canva is limiting you. I just don't know which ones are good these days because I've been out of the game for too long.

 

[buzzbombxj]

You're doing a pretty nice job of choosing the right video length for subject. If it's Jefferson and son's, build up some family aspect of it, I think it works as a bonus aspect to keep the viewer loyal, they start to feel like they know you more personally.