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Free-dumb, or how America died

ev13wt said:
Oh boy.
Im at work, so actual answers to posts will have to wait.

I love America, why the heck do you think I'd waste my time with this subject, here... ?
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You make literally zero cents. You hate Americans(i can tell by how you write), yet you want to be one of us. You claim to love America(yet you do not know the difference between America and USA) and here you are trying to put the USA's ideals of freedom down. You want America(USA) to be just like Germany.
My real thoughts are, that you want citizenship here so you aren't looked down upon Because you're a cuck. You see, in the USA(not America, America is a continent, USA is THE country) we believe everyone has a freedom of choice. You want to let other dudes fuck your lady? Go right ahead. We won't and don't judge. You won't go to jail over it, your friends won't care here. Sure you might get some internet tough guys busting your balls over it(go get the hammer, so your balls can be properly busted), but really, twit, we don't give a fuck. Freedom is great, because freedom doesn't mean freedom to do what the government tells you is OK, it means free to do whatever you want, as long as no harm comes to another sentient being(this is where morals kick in). So, morally, you're fucked, but I'm the USA, it's OK. We don't care, go to hell, or try to achieve enlightenment. Who gives a fuck?
Oh wait, you do, you give a fuck what others are up to around you. You want people to be put in jail for their decisions that don't bring harm upon anyone because the gov says so. You're a commie, pure plain and simple. A commie who cannot fathom freedom. You abhor it. You're a commie cuck who wants everyone else to fall in line with your way of thinking/ life, and if they don't, i truly believe that you think death is the answer to those individuals. Mostly because you are weak, alone, and depraved. You are a sad individual. It's OK, because your individualism isn't unique, and it certainly isn't uncommon. Mostly because there are plenty of weak minded individuals on this planet. Collectively your weak minds don't add up to anything more than a gnat on my shoulder. You have no recourse of action to change anything. Look at the protesting, that isn't helping to woke the citizenship here, it's creating a massive divide between those that do work and pay their bills, and those that want everything for free because they have no drive. You fall into the second category, maybe not because of your lack of ability to work, but your thought process on the subject of freedom. So, fuck off you commie cuck.
 
Pony_Driver said:
I hate to bother you with facts, because I know you have trouble with them, but American's don't want less healthcare, we want private healthcare. We know that free will and a market economy will provide the broadest range of healthcare to the most people. We reject uniform, sub-par healthcare for "all". Americans, most of us anyway, are for the freedom of the individual. It is for the good of society when we each pursue our own interests. We're also free to do dumb shit if we so choose. You should try it sometime, it's awesome.
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I understand the benefits of freedom of the individual. It furthers the "get off your ass and go DO something" and it helps innovation, because people will "go for it" more than in a country with more social safety nets. In those countries, for a reason unknown to me, they would rather go for the cozy safety net.

On the other hand, giving everyone 95% of the ultimate quality of healthcare costs less in taxes than the result of "can't afford healthcare" and those thread were someones tooth is dead and falling out and STILL they ask: "Should I ER?", were in a country with free healthcare one would simply be there once a year and it would get caught.

I personally spent 3 weeks in a German hospital once. Got all the tests that were possible (17 different ones including various blood tests and nerve speed electric tests, eye tests), a couple of MRTs (on the most modern, brand new machines) and a spinal tap.

I received: very excellent healthcare
I paid: "nothing"

I can go again, never will an insurance company kick me out.
 
ev13wt said:
I understand the benefits of freedom of the individual. It furthers the "get off your ass and go DO something" and it helps innovation, because people will "go for it" more than in a country with more social safety nets. In those countries, for a reason unknown to me, they would rather go for the cozy safety net.

On the other hand, giving everyone 95% of the ultimate quality of healthcare costs less in taxes than the result of "can't afford healthcare" and those thread were someones tooth is dead and falling out and STILL they ask: "Should I ER?", were in a country with free healthcare one would simply be there once a year and it would get caught.

I personally spent 3 weeks in a German hospital once. Got all the tests that were possible (17 different ones including various blood tests and nerve speed electric tests, eye tests), a couple of MRTs (on the most modern, brand new machines) and a spinal tap.

I received: very excellent healthcare
I paid: "nothing"

I can go again, never will an insurance company kick me out.
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I still think it's funny you think it's "free."

We have a saying over here that goes "Skilled labor isn't cheap, and cheap labor isn't skilled." There's a suspicion the same can be said for the quality of healthcare you socialized nations receive as a whole. Pretty sure evidence suggests I'm correct.
 
I agree with to an extend of the American Idiot is alive and well. I wouldn't push it to having HC for all but I was going through some closing documents last week and had to sign a paper saying if I missed a payment they would report it to a Credit Bureau. Ah yes the American Idiot is alive and well, adding one extra page of utter crap each single day that effects everyone else.

The "I have every right" on items that were never rights or that doing that thing will fawk it up for everyone else also irks me.
 
ev13wt said:
I understand the benefits of freedom of the individual. It furthers the "get off your ass and go DO something" and it helps innovation, because people will "go for it" more than in a country with more social safety nets. In those countries, for a reason unknown to me, they would rather go for the cozy safety net.

On the other hand, giving everyone 95% of the ultimate quality of healthcare costs less in taxes than the result of "can't afford healthcare" and those thread were someones tooth is dead and falling out and STILL they ask: "Should I ER?", were in a country with free healthcare one would simply be there once a year and it would get caught.

I personally spent 3 weeks in a German hospital once. Got all the tests that were possible (17 different ones including various blood tests and nerve speed electric tests, eye tests), a couple of MRTs (on the most modern, brand new machines) and a spinal tap.

I received: very excellent healthcare
I paid: "nothing"

I can go again, never will an insurance company kick me out.
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hates freedom... loves socialism... claims to love the USA.
 
I read that whole article as tongue in cheek. It's like the EU is the real life version of Mrs. Kravitz.

ev13wt said:
I received: very excellent healthcare
I paid: "nothing"
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The fact you think you "paid nothing" is hilarious.
 
TRINDU said:
I read that whole article as tongue in cheek. It's like the EU is the real life version of Mrs. Kravitz.



The fact you think you "paid nothing" is hilarious.
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FleshEater said:
I still think it's funny you think it's "free."

We have a saying over here that goes "Skilled labor isn't cheap, and cheap labor isn't skilled." There's a suspicion the same can be said for the quality of healthcare you socialized nations receive as a whole. Pretty sure evidence suggests I'm correct.
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Are both of you to dumb so the the "" I used? Read the fuking next sentence!
Of course it's not free FFS. Taxes are cheaper than the result of not having free healthcare. Shit, I'll say it: CHOP would not have been a thing of a social safety net and free healthcare would be in place.
 
ev13wt said:
Are both of you to dumb so the the "" I used? Read the fuking next sentence!
Of course it's not free FFS. Taxes are cheaper than the result of not having free healthcare. Shit, I'll say it: CHOP would not have been a thing of a social safety net and free healthcare would be in place.
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:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
ev13wt said:
Are both of you to dumb so the the "" I used? Read the fuking next sentence!
Of course it's not free FFS. Taxes are cheaper than the result of not having free healthcare. Shit, I'll say it: CHOP would not have been a thing of a social safety net and free healthcare would be in place.
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So you're saying the government is more efficient at taking money from the citizen, then paying a private entity when needed. Then the citizens paying the private entity.

Duly noted.
 
ev13wt said:
Are both of you to dumb so the the "" I used? Read the fuking next sentence!
Of course it's not free FFS. Taxes are cheaper than the result of not having free healthcare. Shit, I'll say it: CHOP would not have been a thing of a social safety net and free healthcare would be in place.
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Man, it's EVERYTHING in socialized healthcare countries that's more expensive. I've only been to Canada, but I doubt Germany is much different. When you actually look at a receipt from just going out to dinner in Canada there's a slew of taxes added onto the meal. I can only imagine what property tax is like. Income tax. If you can tax it, I'm sure it's got numerous taxes attached to it.

In the United States you have a sales tax...that's it. When you go out to eat in Pennsylvania you'll see a 6% sales tax. If we had socialized healthcare, I can only imagine how much more it would cost to do anything here. I also assume our property taxes would also have to be adjusted to pay for the closest medical facility. Knowing government, they'd steal every cent from you and say it's okay, we're providing you everything you need.

Americans are hesitant to give too much control and power to our representatives, because we have seen nothing but abuse. Period. We choose to not be door mats and let our money be spent without being accounted for, because every social program in America is and always has been and always will be a failure.
 
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