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Looking at a few different used electric lifts. Do any of yall have experience with these models I have to choose from? All 5k models. Listed them in order of that i think is best. Mostly looking for hey that one sucked at work because whatever. I have Toyota experience and they have been a great machines. I don't know anything about Clark's, but it being basically new and new battery is nice.

Clark ECX25 2020 with new battery, new tires, looks brand new. 23k.

Toyota 8fbcu25 2018 good condition but average use. Good but used battery and charger 24k.

Hyster E45 early 2000s reconditioned, halfway good battery 12k. Get what you get. Older and simplest of the three.
 
We hand a few older Clark’s and they did really well. We abused them pretty badly. IIRC, the chargers are the expensive bits
 
We hand a few older Clark’s and they did really well. We abused them pretty badly. IIRC, the chargers are the expensive bits
It looks like a stout machine with a pretty beefy carriage. I'll certainly abuse and overload it. :laughing:

It's a 36v, so my current charger works for it.
 
Looking at a few different used electric lifts. Do any of yall have experience with these models I have to choose from? All 5k models. Listed them in order of that i think is best. Mostly looking for hey that one sucked at work because whatever. I have Toyota experience and they have been a great machines. I don't know anything about Clark's, but it being basically new and new battery is nice.

Clark ECX25 2020 with new battery, new tires, looks brand new. 23k.

Toyota 8fbcu25 2018 good condition but average use. Good but used battery and charger 24k.

Hyster E45 early 2000s reconditioned, halfway good battery 12k. Get what you get. Older and simplest of the three.
The Toyota is your better bet, but open the lower side covers and check for corrosion in the boxes and pull the floor see if there is a rats nest of wiring. “Good used” battery, don’t get your hopes up, check that all the cells have water and there is no corrosion. A good usable battery new starts about $5000 and goes up from there. This isn’t just for a Toyota, it’s for any over them. Run thru the hours on the dash, first number set will be key on, all the time it’s sitting used or not with key on, that will likely be a large number, the next will be use, travel and lift, the Lower the better there is a combo time lift/travel and miles driven as well. I am a Toyota tech, I don’t see a lot of electrical issues that aren’t usually operator induced. Check the brakes and brake fluid, if the fluid is low, there is either a weeping wheel cyl, or the shoes are very worn, make sure parking brake works and holds. Brakes, hoses and cylinder leaks are the biggest issues I see with them.
The Clark. Will be a pain finding repair resources, not a lot of dealers in some areas, the Hyster being older, could be contactor driven, those have their own issues.
There is nothing cheap about a forklift.
 
Had use of a 80-90’s 48 V electric Hyster. 4k capacity. The battery was shit when we got it so it would work for a half an hour which was almost enough, after burning up a few parts, got a recondition battery and then ruined it with the shitty charger we had.

It was simple to work on. Everything we didn’t fuck up was fine.
 
No personal experience besides transporting them. All three are quality brands, I would pick the one that looks better maintained and which one has a battery that isn't going to die on you months later. Disclaimer, I don't know how you would determine that.
 
Blkvoodoo I have a Clark dealer close enough to drive the lift to. New battery and 5yr battery warranty is a huge plus.

My 3k Toyota has been great. Only had some brake trouble from lack of maintenance. Needs a battery now. I ended up with a brand new battery but it's just a little too wide. (Came from a 3 wheel.) I'll end up modifying and fitting it eventually.

I don't want a contactor machine for this job, and that may be the case with the hyster. It's nice that it's so easy to troubleshoot and fix but I do alot of rigging and equipment installations. The on/off jerk sucks for that.
 
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Looking at a few different used electric lifts. Do any of yall have experience with these models I have to choose from? All 5k models. Listed them in order of that i think is best. Mostly looking for hey that one sucked at work because whatever. I have Toyota experience and they have been a great machines. I don't know anything about Clark's, but it being basically new and new battery is nice.

Clark ECX25 2020 with new battery, new tires, looks brand new. 23k.

Toyota 8fbcu25 2018 good condition but average use. Good but used battery and charger 24k.

Hyster E45 early 2000s reconditioned, halfway good battery 12k. Get what you get. Older and simplest of the three.
I have had the best experience with toyotas having run a forklift all day better part of a decade. The hyster we have now is kind of a POS at times. Never had a clark or really seen any in use anywhere which is sort of a red flag to me.
 
Only very limited work and use of electric forklifts, but hundreds of hours on propane forklifts. Toyotas are my preferred brand. They have held up better long term than other brands we have used.
Not sure if there is much crossover between the electric units and internal combustion.

Damn forklifts have me looking like a Toyota fanboy.:lmao:
 
We still have a few e45s in the maintenance shops. Other than batteries on occasion they are trouble free.

Most of the trucks here are diesel in the 15000# range, run 24-7 and get the dick beaten off them moving scrap to the furnaces. Roughly 130 of them are Hyster with a handful of Toyota. Nobody likes the Toyotas, they are always broken. Sometimes in half.

For what you do any of the three will be fine
 
I'd go for the Toyota . I maintained a fleet of them in a cold environment over 7 years. Mostly contactors that arced themselves to death from operators shifting back and forth without brakes.

The cost of the hyster will be a wash after you buy the replacement Battery and then most likely the later model charger, then waiting forever to get it back may cost you as well.
 
So the Toyota is the more common lift with a good track record of reliability, but the Clark has the bonus of the new battery. I'm going to search a little more this week and see if any Toyotas can come in with a comparable price and new battery. If not I'll probably try the Clark.
 
We had an electric Toyota at my last job. Old, used and those cheap fucks won't do any maintenance til something breaks. Can only remember it being down once in the 5½ years I was there.

edit: That thing also got used and abused constantly. Even got dropped off a dock while I was there without any problems with it.
 
Toyota came in at 25k for a 2014, quote didn't say new battery so im following up on that. But I don't think its competitive unless I get big $ for my trade in.
 
im shopping market place for a new to me lift. I have a 68 baker that leaks oil like its competing with the valdeeeeze for Olympic gold. old dog cost me 1500 and it does what I need but im tired of the oil slick wherever it is. :laughing:


ive been adamant about finding another gas engine lift. why would i want an electric one instead? im out on propane too, unless convinced otherwise.
 
im shopping market place for a new to me lift. I have a 68 baker that leaks oil like its competing with the valdeeeeze for Olympic gold. old dog cost me 1500 and it does what I need but im tired of the oil slick wherever it is. :laughing:


ive been adamant about finding another gas engine lift. why would i want an electric one instead? im out on propane too, unless convinced otherwise.
I use them in places that don't allow propane, but I also prefer them just about everywhere. Silent, smooth, no fumes, always starts. Only frequent maintenance is battery water.

For shop use, one with a bad battery can last a long time.

I've got an older propane tcm at the shop that's pretty tired but keeps on going.
 
I use them in places that don't allow propane, but I also prefer them just about everywhere. Silent, smooth, no fumes, always starts. Only frequent maintenance is battery water.

For shop use, one with a bad battery can last a long time.

I've got an older propane tcm at the shop that's pretty tired but keeps on going.
small dealer here, we use it to move engines, oil totes, etc. maybe electric would be ok.
 
Used battery 4 years old. No significant trade in value on my other Toyota. That's a pass.
 
small dealer here, we use it to move engines, oil totes, etc. maybe electric would be ok.
Yea you would be fine. They are more expensive though. Stored in a climate controlled environment?
 
Stay away from clark. Used to be decent machines. Hard to find dealer support on, usually will be a dual branded dealer and the focus is not on Clark.
Older hysters are good. Toyota also makes a good lift, even if the electric stuff is alot of rebranded raymond that has no cross reference for parts support or computer plug in capabilities. :homer:
Depending on hours being used daily and length of ownership plans. A lithium battery setup may be a better bet. Larger upfront cost, but most have double or triple the warranty of a flooded battery. Almost zero maintenance, Opportunity charging doesn't affect the lithium as well.
 
Stay away from clark. Used to be decent machines. Hard to find dealer support on, usually will be a dual branded dealer and the focus is not on Clark.
Older hysters are good. Toyota also makes a good lift, even if the electric stuff is alot of rebranded raymond that has no cross reference for parts support or computer plug in capabilities. :homer:
Depending on hours being used daily and length of ownership plans. A lithium battery setup may be a better bet. Larger upfront cost, but most have double or triple the warranty of a flooded battery. Almost zero maintenance, Opportunity charging doesn't affect the lithium as well.
Is there something specific that sucks with the Clark or just the dealers? I have a Clark dealer close enough to drive the lift to that it's their primary brand.
 
Here is that Hyster.

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We have 14 Toyota electrics at work and they're all but problem free. 99% of the repairs are seats, horn buttons, and whatever flavor of column mounted switch that model has. They get broken off kinda regularly.

We put a battery in one of the fleet every couple of years. Most of them have quite a few years on them.

I don't know if they're all the same but buying parts for them sucks, Toyota doesn't want to tell you shit generally.
 
Is there something specific that sucks with the Clark or just the dealers? I have a Clark dealer close enough to drive the lift to that it's their primary brand.
Clark engineers not only based their designs on the hatred for the mechanic sleeping with their wives, they added some kind of drug into the mix and came up with many designs that do not align with industry norms. Why do you need 2 brake master cylinders with a weird priority valve in between them? Juniper fuel systems? Just go shove your pecker in a pot of hot lard rendering, it will feel better than working on one. C500 brake job? That's a 2 week shop job at bazzillion dollars an hour. Clark customers and techs are a weird cult of masochists. Unless its an IT40, then keep that 70 year old pig out of the scrapyard. Who doesn't love a forklift that runs 235/85R15 tires?

Clark made some good stuff back in the day, but the brand has dwindled. In terms of engineering, quality, and support. I hate seeing the shade of green when I roll up. I had ALOT of customers with Clark stuff.

Here is that Hyster.

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That chassis of Hyster is a pretty stout unit. That looks like a 33" battery box on that unit. An 18-85-27 will give around 1100AH. Its got traction-cushions front to back. The drives look a little worn. When its time for a new set, throw tractions on the front and smooths (cheaper) on the steer axle, there is no benefit to traction steers, they actually wear faster than smoothes, unless you're on a food grade slick floor that's always wet.

The only concerns I'd have with this unit is drive axle condition, drive motor condition and the rubber feet mounts for the steering pump are probably trashed if not done recently... Make sure the 12v stuff works, ie the work lights. If no 12v working, it will need a DC/DC converter. Not a bad fix, just pull the battery and replace it. Last I remember, they're less than $500

What they look like under the battery is a good tell on an electric, you're going to see corrosion, alot of it. Just the nature of the machine. But to what extent is the $64k question. Rusty stuff underneath is typical, rotten (or missing) drip tray is whatever. When the hydraulic hose fittings below battery are worn to "how is that not leaking" is when I'd start to take a step back.

Check for gouges inside the mast from the rollers, run it up all the way, see if it "racks" or tilts the carriage hard when going to full height and hits the stop, you need chain or mast parts. Could be as simple as shim job or chain adjustments on the secondaries. Mast channels should be level at full drop

What is the 2 letters after the numbers in the model number?
 
$25,000 for a 10yr old forklift?

I'm not up to speed on cordless models, what did that thing cost new?

We got a couple brand new 2024 Doosuns propane 5ks at work, they were around 30k. Forget the model but I hate them, way too many safeties.

I paid $1800 for my 90s Mitsushitti 5k. I've put maybe $1000 into it over the last 2 years with a full service, set of tire chains, new steer tires, main cylinder rebuild, spare propane tanks.
Does fine other than the previous owner took the side shift carriage off which would be handy at times. Probably moresk because I'm so used to having that in the work forklift.

Definitely get wind tires if it's not staying on concrete. If on gravel, snow, "mud" chain it up.
Solid tires suck. We borrowed one for a few months at work, I about took out a pallet rack the first time I used it and ran over a puddle on the floor. Slung the ass over like I was doing Tokiyo drifts. Thing would about get stuck on a wet fart.
 
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