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Ford 2.7 vs 3.5 vs. 5.0

mbryson said:
Swapping turbos and ???
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Full timing job. I do this for turbos/exhaust manifolds too though.
YotaAtieToo said:
Not trying to be snarky as I'm genuinely curious, do any other modern gas truck fair any differently to neglect?
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The ones that don't have turbos cooking the oil aren't as picky. V8 GM shit doesn't care, it's gonna kill the cam/lifters at 165-180k either way. 5.0s don't seem to coke up as bad as a 3.5 does. Hemi might go 200k might need a cam at 120, I've seen both.
 
TrikeKid said:
Full timing job. I do this for turbos/exhaust manifolds too though.

The ones that don't have turbos cooking the oil aren't as picky. V8 GM shit doesn't care, it's gonna kill the cam/lifters at 165-180k either way. 5.0s don't seem to coke up as bad as a 3.5 does. Hemi might go 200k might need a cam at 120, I've seen both.
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So like we all know, new shit sucks, but sometimes it's OK :laughing:

10k oil change intervals is retarded, especially on a turbo engine. I change it at 5k. Any recommendations for specific oil?

mbryson said:
While this isn't a thread about my V10 (a friend riding to/from the last Rubicon trip we did named her "Sweaty Betty"), I did haul a 5900 lb gooseneck, 5k trail Jeep, 3700 lb TJ and a 7k truck over Utah's Soldier Summit on highway 6 MANY times with my V10 F350. Add some passengers and gear and I'm right at the 22,500 range for GCVW? (does my UT math suck?) You're right, I do get dismal mpg with that load. I get about 6.5 mpg. I get 8 mpg with a single car hauler and said 5k trail Jeep. My son with the 5.0L/6 speed F150 and 3700 lb TJ gets over 11 mpg on the same route, same speeds as my truck. The 5.0L is a sweet setup and I bet would be even betterer with the 10 speed?
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mbryson said:
For my 4-8 trips from SLC-Moab per year along with 2-3 trips from SLC-St George, I will keep the V10. Truck/gooseneck has also done two trips from SLC-South Lake Tahoe. Same mpg, same experience, same feelings about the V10 vs a diesel. I sold the goose thinking I'd get the 10-11 mpg towing the single car. I just don't get that. This truck should just tow at 6.5-7mpg, I guess. If I was towing more often than that, I do think your argument for a diesel really makes a lot of sense. With how often I tow and how I use my truck.... I'll stick with it for now. As mentioned, I think I'd look HARD at the 7.3L gas before buying another diesel. These are my dollars. You may believe differently and I'm cool with that.

There are two hills that test the shit out of any truck with that kind of load on that highway (SLC-Moab----highway 6 through Price, UT). I'm at 62-65 mph going over the summit with that load.

I've bought rigs before based on other folks' opinions. I don't have them any longer. The above is my experience and my opinion. I'll stand by it.
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Sounds like the V10 is perfect for you doing a handful of trips a year. Fuel mileage doesn't matter a whole lot at that point.

mbryson said:
You are correct in my "speculation" with the cam phaser issues and general statements on the F150. I don't have experience there other than friends that have had those issues. (and my daughter that works at Ford parts knowing exactly the part numbers for a cam phaser job)
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Like I said, I don't think the 5.0 is bad engine at all. I was also afraid of owning an ecoboost out of warranty for all the reasons mentioned. I dove into the internet trying to find what to expect for some catastrophic failure 10-20k miles after warranty is up. I just couldn't find anything. Even if we could get a $30k trade in on our truck, we're still looking at a $20-35k loan for a new or low miles used 1/2t or gas 3/4t. If I have to spend $3500 in 70k miles, then so be it. It's only 6 months payments :laughing:
 
I am looking at similar trucks. Apparently the newer 5.0s have some kind of plated cylinder liners that aren’t working out. The ecoboosts Have cam chain issues. Still better than a dodge and cheaper than a Toyota.
 
87manche said:
obvious solution is obvious.


you need a cummins ford project truck you'll never finish.

are the 7.3l f250's out in the wild or no? Is that an option. It seems like exactly what you want. no idea what they cost or whatever.
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I just got off the phone with a friend who ordered one and took delivery of it about 2 weeks ago. Says he loves it but it’s only getting 13 mpg so far.
 
I do recall a coworker with a 2018 5.0 that he battled with ford on the engine consuming an absurd amount of oil (1L/1000km ish) and being told "that's normal, go away now" Never heard the outcome.
 
JR4X said:
I just got off the phone with a friend who ordered one and took delivery of it about 2 weeks ago. Says he loves it but it’s only getting 13 mpg so far.
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well it's better than the v10 at least.

for a just towpig/farmtruck those are ideal as well. just be prepared for that 6mpg towing.
 
Here's a 2011 5.0 with 170k on it still getting the job done and doing it well. Great truck for a younger kid (my son is 22).
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He had some kind of transmission module issue at 154k and just put a new exhaust on it. Other than that, normal service. It seems well maintained previous to him buying it at 151k but we really don't know for sure. Had a camper shell on it when he bought it and stock wheels with stock type tires. Seemed like an "old man" type truck. Exactly what you'd want your kid to buy. I cringed when I realized it was a first year engine but it's a later build date at least. In some ways, I like it more than my V10. The V10 is paid for and well kept by me (121k---be 122k by Monday). It'll stay until it doesn't make sense to have any longer.
 
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gozuki said:
The only big NOPE for me was the auto on / off eco bs. I bypassed that within the first 8k miles.
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Do tell, that shit drives me insane. I also apparently use just the right brake pressure to sometimes make it go off-on-off-on, which I'm sure the starter just loves :homer:


FlexyTJ said:
I want to hear someone whos been disappointed with their 5.0 and wishes they had something else?

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I doubt you will, everyone I know with one has loved it. I really like the 6.2 F250 I had, I just love the low end grunt of the turbas more :flipoff2:
 
FlexyTJ said:
I want to hear someone whos been disappointed with their 5.0 and wishes they had something else?

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I have a couple of customers with 5.0s that are happy with them.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Do tell, that shit drives me insane. I also apparently use just the right brake pressure to sometimes make it go off-on-off-on, which I'm sure the starter just loves :homer:




I doubt you will, everyone I know with one has loved it. I really like the 6.2 F250 I had, I just love the low end grunt of the turbas more :flipoff2:
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I bought a plug in module that stays in the dash that overrides the switch. IIRC it was the Autostop eliminator. Mine was a preproduction unit, and I think it was $40 or something.
 
Pic shows a 6.5' bed and description says 5.5' :homer:

5.5' is fine 99% of the time for what we use ours for, but with a shell on it, it would be nice to be able to sleep in it without me being 45* corner to corner :laughing:
 
My concern, is your paying 40k for a truck with no warranty. At least it has a proper bed.
 
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TRINDU said:
My concern, is your paying 40k for a truck with no warranty. At least it has a proper bed.
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Who said it doesn't have a warranty?

Often the cpo warrantys work out better than the new ones. I'm also not sold that paying the premium for a warranty is worth it if you can work on it yourself.

Worst case a low mile engine is ~$4k. With a new or very low mile truck being $20-30k more, it's hard to pencil out.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Pic shows a 6.5' bed and description says 5.5' :homer:

5.5' is fine 99% of the time for what we use ours for, but with a shell on it, it would be nice to be able to sleep in it without me being 45* corner to corner :laughing:
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Yeah. Dealers are dumb.

TRINDU said:
My concern, is your paying 40k for a truck with no warranty. At least it has a proper bed.
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Yeah that kind of sucks. There is a 5.0 5.5' bed truck across the street at Subaru with remainder of warranty.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Who said it doesn't have a warranty?

Often the cpo warrantys work out better than the new ones. I'm also not sold that paying the premium for a warranty is worth it if you can work on it yourself.

Worst case a low mile engine is ~$4k. With a new or very low mile truck being $20-30k more, it's hard to pencil out.
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Probably the 5 year thing? It's also a Canadian truck. Not sure how that works.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Who said it doesn't have a warranty?
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3/36 bumper to bumper. 5/60 powertrain.


TiTRD said:
Probably the 5 year thing? It's also a Canadian truck. Not sure how that works.
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You'll just have to inquire about an in service date and if its CPO. Every manufacturer is different.

In my feeble mind... I'd rather pay $20k for a clean older truck. Than paying a premium for newer with no warranty.

I realize that's not a thing in the NE/rustbelt and different generation F150s.
 
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TRINDU said:
3/36 bumper to bumper. 5/60 powertrain.




You'll just have to inquire about an in service date and if its CPO. Every manufacturer is different.

In my feeble mind... I'd rather pay $20k for a clean older truck. Than paying a premium for newer with no warranty.

I realize that's not a thing in the NE/rustbelt and different generation F150s.
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All the pre aluminum trucks here, the cab corners are gone.
 
TiTRD said:
All the pre aluminum trucks here, the cab corners are gone.
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This brings up a point I've wondered about aloominum trucks. How are they holding up in the real world? Did they do a decent job of insulating steel hardware from anything aluminum and are the wheel wells/rockers getting beat to shit by gravel or do they have decent liners?
 
TRINDU said:
3/36 bumper to bumper. 5/60 powertrain.
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Our cpo was 5/60k bumper to bumper and 7/100k powertrain.

One thing you have to watch is they go off original purchase date. So buying a couple year older truck with low miles may bite you on the years. For us it matched almost perfectly, we're at 99k and the 7 years is next August.


TRINDU said:
You'll just have to inquire about an in service date and if its CPO. Every manufacturer is different.

In my feeble mind... I'd rather pay $20k for a clean older truck. Than paying a premium for newer with no warranty.

I realize that's not a thing in the NE/rustbelt and different generation F150s.
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I can see both. The problem is the truck you're getting for $20k isn't really worth $20k and will be much more likely to need a lot of stuff in the near future. Also, these new 1/2 tons will make most $20k trucks look dumb with a trailer behind them.
 
TRINDU said:
3/36 bumper to bumper. 5/60 powertrain.




You'll just have to inquire about an in service date and if its CPO. Every manufacturer is different.

In my feeble mind... I'd rather pay $20k for a clean older truck. Than paying a premium for newer with no warranty.

I realize that's not a thing in the NE/rustbelt and different generation F150s.
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To add to that. I almost bought the same exact truck 3 years ago. White long bed 3.5, 2017. More basic interior. Similar miles. It was $30k. Prices are just out of control.
 
I just bought a 2018 ccsb F150 with the 5.0/10 speed. 100k on it, hit light in the front and a big dent in one door. I was happy to find a 6 passenger with the fold down console thing. Wish it was the 6.5 foot bed.


Supposedly these things are quick as hell and tow well with the 10 speed. It has big shoes to fill, replacing my 1st Gen tundra.
 
‘13 5.0 pushing 160k, been nothing but happy with it… Wife has a EB in her expedition, it’s damn sure strong but it just feels like it’s always on the verge of coming apart in comparison to the v8. both are good,i’m just more comfortable with the v8..
 
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