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Billybadass411 said:
Any more info on the midnight metal works d300? I was looking at that instead of an atlas due to the atlas build time.

I binged your whole build thread on the other forum. Nice work and thanks for documenting it.
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I have the latest MM D300 in the shop, but have been too busy wheeling to take time to install...no time for downtime!

It was fun to do a build thread again....still more updates pending too :)
 
YotaAtieToo said:
As long as they aren't using tsl of bfg inches, they should be good :laughing:
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Front 42 to front 42, on front engine buggies...


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:cool2::cool2::cool2::cool2:^^^^ that's compelling depending on price and sidewall durability..
 
Set all 4 at 7psi in the shop a couple days ago, checked and the rear was 8psi after 4 hours of wheeling today. Damn impressed....did a gentle roll into the exit climb on Broken Chain (12) today and they made it easy. Crawled a few other shaded climbs as well, and deliberately put them into some solid pinch spots (sidewall wrapped around the ring) and no issues.

Will continue to test....but happy with the pressure now. And I DO need to be a bit smart since a spare doesn't exist....


Edit: put my analog durometer on them today, score: 59.
 
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woody said:
Until they get production ramped up at their new facility (Vietnam), I'm unsure on price points. And I'll argue the rubber difference between blacks and true DOT's is negligible....since the Black compound at the new facility hasn't been developed yet, I'm pushing for it to be more aggressive/sticky.

Also pushing for other things :) An uphill challenge since they ARE a small company, at least on the Milestar side.
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this is not a good marketing decision.

if there is negligible difference, there is no need for a difference. stickies need to be real sticky, DOT compounds need to last longer on the road. i already don't like your tire brand, but you should not dilute your offering any further.
 
LunchBoxFab said:
this is not a good marketing decision.

if there is negligible difference, there is no need for a difference. stickies need to be real sticky, DOT compounds need to last longer on the road. i already don't like your tire brand, but you should not dilute your offering any further.
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They may be trying to fill a void in the market. I'd go for some "semi" stickies if they were a decent price point.

Something you can drive 15 miles to the trail every now and then without feeling like you're burning piles of cash. But still offer better performance than a dot tire.
 
Sidewalls to me are main issue. I’d definitely be down for some “in betweener” 37-42s that aren’t full comp sticky but are stickier than a normal DOT mud tire. For me sidewalls is the most common failure point - almost all of them to date have been BFGs (km1. Km2, krawler, red label) Part of the reason I went to Maxxis where I’ve had great luck with sidewalls.
 
LunchBoxFab said:
this is not a good marketing decision.

if there is negligible difference, there is no need for a difference. stickies need to be real sticky, DOT compounds need to last longer on the road. i already don't like your tire brand, but you should not dilute your offering any further.
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Every tire company battles the same issue. Corporate office geeks that have the final say shutdown the good ideas. Milestar has a true rock crawling off road racing enthusiast in America pushing innovation. Of course corporate is scared of losing big investments so at any little issue they just cut and run.

Woody here and couple of his friends helped develop and test tires just to see MS shut it off at the last minute and blame it on Covid. There is some really cool stuff in the pipeline if corporate would just step aside and let it happen. If they would just green light what Martin is trying to do I think you’d think of milestar differently. However corporate thinks he’s risking to much time and capital on what they see as a tiny market share.

Full disclosure, I’m sponsored by Milestar. They are upping their off-road game this year but it’s an uphill battle for such a small company to go up against established giants in the industry.
 
LunchBoxFab said:
if there is negligible difference, there is no need for a difference. stickies need to be real sticky, DOT compounds need to last longer on the road. i already don't like your tire brand, but you should not dilute your offering any further.
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You quoted my post but didn't read it. "...the Black compound at the new facility hasn't been developed yet, I'm pushing for it to be more aggressive/sticky."

The old Black compound was effectively for the "weekend warrier"....someone who wheels a couple weekends a month but has a daily-driver....a stickier tire that will handle some road time AND have better offroad traction sounds like a great idea. No trailer, no tow rig, etc.


Nearly everyone I run with is on 42" Reds. I'm on 42' Patagonia DOT's. I'm not only keeping up, but everyone has been impressed with the tire, how well it's performing, durability, etc....
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woody said:
You quoted my post but didn't read it. "...the Black compound at the new facility hasn't been developed yet, I'm pushing for it to be more aggressive/sticky."

The old Black compound was effectively for the "weekend warrier"....someone who wheels a couple weekends a month but has a daily-driver....a stickier tire that will handle some road time AND have better offroad traction sounds like a great idea. No trailer, no tow rig, etc.
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i read your post, you want your DOT tire compound to be more sticky and aggressive - got it.

now read mine.

how many "weekend warriors" buy your tires and how many "hardcore wheelers" buy your shit? is anyone asking for a DOT rated tire that lasts 10k miles? i wouldn't leave the weekend warriors (i'm assuming your biggest client base) without a product. in my experience its not the "legality" of the tires that drives the trailer decision, its the overall legality and capability of the vehicle. now, if you're looking for the tires to wear quickly, that is a different sales tactic all together.

yall can do whatever you want with your products and offering. my take on it is that there isn't a big market for a DOT rated sticky and moving to that will further alienate the weekend warrior crowd. if johnny-overlander doesnt get 30k miles out of his pats, it will hurt. IMHO there is def a market for a better sidewall. your DOT compound on the tires i've seen doesn't suck. having two distinct products makes more sense to me.
 
woody how small of a sticky is in the works? I'm running 33" Pats on my TJ and pretty happy with them. My TJ is 80% offroad usage, primarily for the driving school so a sticky would be cool. :cool2:
 
JR4X said:
If they would just green light what Martin is trying to do I think you’d think of milestar differently. However corporate thinks he’s risking to much time and capital on what they see as a tiny market share.
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martin doesnt think IFS is a competitive platform in U4 racing, their skepticism with his judgement is justified.

in all seriousness, i think they screwed themselves giving away tires to every jeeper and overlander out there. hard to get the enthusiast behind a product they see hyped by every self appointed 'influencer' ... BFG is the standard in off-road, everyone else is getting paid to run something else. the bar has been set, im curious if they can get there
 
mobil1syn said:
BFG is the standard in off-road, everyone else is getting paid to run something else. the bar has been set, im curious if they can get there
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In the west coast maybe.
BFG ain't shit on Interco on the east coast.

And that's coming from a BFG enthusiast.

Nobody other than Interco makes a tire as tough and aggressive. I wish Maxxis would get their fingers out of their ass and make a Mud Trep in 42". It would address the main problem of the TSL SX bias which is the balloon effect this tire has.
 
Bebop said:
In the west coast maybe.
BFG ain't shit on Interco on the east coast.
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i dont disagree, but there is probably more market in socal than east of the mississippi combined due to the sure acreage of public land we have.

Bebop said:
Nobody other than Interco makes a tire as tough and aggressive. I wish Maxxis would get their fingers out of their ass and make a Mud Trep in 42".
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they live in the region are small and make what their customers want. i cant think of the last time i saw an interco on a vehicle out here, street or trail.
 
mobil1syn said:
i dont disagree, but there is probably more market in socal than east of the mississippi combined due to the sure acreage of public land we have.
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In the buggy world I'm not so sure.
Here everyone is running 40+" tires. Jeeps included.

You got a lot more exposure than me so you may be right though.

I'd love to hear a pro chime in.

woody : What's your take on the east vs west debate ? I personnal DGAF on IFS vs SA in Ultra4. May the best one win.
 
Damn, I missed this post earlier.

Welcome to the shitshow Woody! :grinpimp:

Killer buggy you have now, what did you end up doing with the previous Yota buggy? Chad (Creepersleeper) and I have spent a fair amount of time chatting about your rig and I'm installing cutting brakes in mine after seeing you make them work.
 
As for the Patagonias... I've picked everyone's brain I can about these tires. I really wanted to buy a set as the 38" Black Label is a perfect size for so many Yota axle rigs. But from everything I can gather, once the trail gets wet they are suck city for wheelspin and packing up. Not good for a PNW rig that sees wet trails 50% of the time.

What are your thoughts Woody?
 
mobil1syn said:
i think he thinks that.
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That would be a crazy thing to believe. I’ve known him a long time and I gotta think he’s just talking mad shit because he’s a jokester and a prankster. I’ll pick his brain on the subject at KOH though.
 
mobil1syn said:
i dont disagree, but there is probably more market in socal than east of the mississippi combined due to the sure acreage of public land we have.
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i have no actual numbers here, but imma guess you are WAAAY off here. imma guess alabama, tennessee, and florida alone could keep that place afloat. they definitely have some market share here vs BFG. (i currently have KM3s on my JL)
 
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