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woody

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L67, 700r, D300, 8" portals, 111" wheelbase, 85" outside of tire, ~20" belly on Milestar 42's and 4" shock bump.

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More deets on the 42s?
There are only eight 42" Milestar Patagonia MT02's in the US...four on a Stellantis display vehicle and 4 on my rig. 42-14.5-20, DOT compound. Sticky's pending. I helped a bit with development and get the first shot at destroying one. 4 wheeling days on them in the past week, and thus far they are working well and feathering in nicely. New carcass, new rubber compound, slight tread change. I've been impressed.

Yes, they are planning 17's as well. Yes, they will be doing a sticky. Yes, there is more coming ;)


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Nice to see you stumble over here :flipoff2:

I am curious how much the 42" stickies will run when they are out. I wasn't blown away by the 40" Black Labels my buddy ran for a while, but for about $420/tire they were pretty decent. 42" sticky Treps are over $1,000/tire everywhere I looked the other day :eek:
 
I've often wondered if siping would help or just help them wear faster.
I've siped tires in the past, didn't note any additional wear issues. Traction was improved in some situations, but the sand/rock that's at SH wouldn't see much benefit IMO. Grooving would however....I'm not planning to groove (yet), want to see what they can do in stock form first. The center lugs are too tight and would benefit from a groover tho. Easy to "tune" a tire this way to your own area.


Nice to see you stumble over here :flipoff2:

I am curious how much the 42" stickies will run when they are out. I wasn't blown away by the 40" Black Labels my buddy ran for a while, but for about $420/tire they were pretty decent. 42" sticky Treps are over $1,000/tire everywhere I looked the other day :eek:
Until they get production ramped up at their new facility (Vietnam), I'm unsure on price points. And I'll argue the rubber difference between blacks and true DOT's is negligible....since the Black compound at the new facility hasn't been developed yet, I'm pushing for it to be more aggressive/sticky.

Also pushing for other things :) An uphill challenge since they ARE a small company, at least on the Milestar side.
 
I've siped tires in the past, didn't note any additional wear issues. Traction was improved in some situations, but the sand/rock that's at SH wouldn't see much benefit IMO. Grooving would however....I'm not planning to groove (yet), want to see what they can do in stock form first. The center lugs are too tight and would benefit from a groover tho. Easy to "tune" a tire this way to your own area.
Years ago I siped a set of 35" BFG Blues. It made a huge difference in snow wheeling and muddy rocks. I too didn't think that they wore worse but I've wondered if Reds would be more prone to 'ripping' if the tread block is sliced up.

I'm now on my 4th set of reds and have yet to try it again. (note that reds are worthless in the snow anyway)
 
JHF turnkey build?
Jesse doesn't do turnkey stuff...or rarely. Doesn't have the time.

Got the chassis (welded out) in Oct 2020, the axles in Nov 2020, and finished the build in mid-Sept 2021. There are 3 "versions" of the JHF Extreme Trail chassis...Gen1 (#1) is local and being built now. Gen2 (#2 and #3) are mine and Rich Klein's. Gen 3 (chassis 4-13) changed the node in the rock rail area and the next 10 chassis (14-23) returned to the easier-to-weld Gen2 design. Suspect all going forward will continue with the Gen2 design.
 
Years ago I siped a set of 35" BFG Blues. It made a huge difference in snow wheeling and muddy rocks. I too didn't think that they wore worse but I've wondered if Reds would be more prone to 'ripping' if the tread block is sliced up.

I'm now on my 4th set of reds and have yet to try it again. (note that reds are worthless in the snow anyway)
The open-cell rubber of Red labels suck below freezing. Better off with wooden round blocks.

Jacob Reeves has his Reds grooved. Unsure if it's any additional magic to how Red's perform, but I've not seen any block chunking issues (or no worse than usual). Reds will always IMO be the standard for rock crawling.
 
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What do the 42s actually measure mounted? Any pics with a tape?
 
What do the 42s actually measure mounted? Any pics with a tape?
40" tall at 7psi. 41.66" tall without vehicle weight. Confirmed the free height with a circumference measurement but can't find that right now. 102# on the bathroom scale. 40's weighed 92#.

Found the circumference in my build thread :p
130.75", which calculates out to 41.619"
 
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On vehicle used, vs new off vehicle, vs dead bald, wtf :flipoff2:

Sounds like they're just shy of a true 42?
hey, ya get what I got laying around :p I coulda included a 285 KO2, a 285 STT Pro, a worn 315 PatMT, a trashed 315 KO2, a 315 PatMT02, a 275 PatMT, a 285 PatAT, a 275 Michelin and others....this ain't BigO :flipoff2:

According to my circumference measurement in Reply15 above, 41.619. Give or take a .01 or three due to 4 days of "wear"...arguably as "42" as anything.
 
hey, ya get what I got laying around :p I coulda included a 285 KO2, a 285 STT Pro, a worn 315 PatMT, a trashed 315 KO2, a 315 PatMT02, a 275 PatMT, a 285 PatAT, a 275 Michelin and others....this ain't BigO :flipoff2:

According to my circumference measurement in Reply15 above, 41.619. Give or take a .01 or three due to 4 days of "wear"...arguably as "42" as anything.

As long as they aren't using tsl of bfg inches, they should be good :laughing:
 
I think forums have there uses. If you like information and sharing of ideas forums are great. If you just want to express your opinion constantly then stick to other social media sites.
 
Any more info on the midnight metal works d300? I was looking at that instead of an atlas due to the atlas build time.

I binged your whole build thread on the other forum. Nice work and thanks for documenting it.
 
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