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87manche said:
It was like 20k people they just ran through the machine
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ExWrench said:
At least 80, and I'd bet that's a low estimate.

We're talking about the J6 guided tour entrapment vacation package, right?
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I read a story that so many different field offices sent undercovers, they have no idea how many were present.

I believe that story said at least 200.
 
Wes in TN said:
Nope. Therein lies the problem.
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Honestly I don't agree or disagree, but I can see your point. I'd also offer that there is something to be said for NOT saying anything.

As a generic example, if ISIS tried another 9/11 and our boys thumped them before they could pull it off. Makes world news. Does not that give ISIS that much more power of fear?

"How have we let ISIS get this close to us?"
"ISIS says: We're closer than ever to the next attack"

Lots of factors to consider, more than just total transparency to its people.

Ultimately, the Intel Community is most definitely subject to its own checks and balances, and it needs to be that way. Corruption is corruption at any level. But the general public (AKA, every swinging dick including our adversaries) does NOT need to know the finite details of the intelligence world writ large.
 
Otto M@n said:
Honestly I don't agree or disagree, but I can see your point. I'd also offer that there is something to be said for NOT saying anything.

As a generic example, if ISIS tried another 9/11 and our boys thumped them before they could pull it off. Makes world news. Does not that give ISIS that much more power of fear?

"How have we let ISIS get this close to us?"
"ISIS says: We're closer than ever to the next attack"

Lots of factors to consider, more than just total transparency to its people.

Ultimately, the Intel Community is most definitely subject to its own checks and balances, and it needs to be that way. Corruption is corruption at any level. But the general public (AKA, every swinging dick including our adversaries) does NOT need to know the finite details of the intelligence world writ large.
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While I can appreciate the need for national security and all that jazz, there are documented cases of laws being broken on a massive scale, with 0 repercussion.

So if they can't clean their own house then it's time to make serious changes to the structure of the entire thing.
 
Otto M@n said:
Honestly I don't agree or disagree, but I can see your point. I'd also offer that there is something to be said for NOT saying anything.

As a generic example, if ISIS tried another 9/11 and our boys thumped them before they could pull it off. Makes world news. Does not that give ISIS that much more power of fear?
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Yes it would give ISIS more power and they would happily do that because giving ISIS more power would give them more power. Ain't no different than when they use the ones they failed to prevent to advance their agenda.

Otto M@n said:
Ultimately, the Intel Community is most definitely subject to its own checks and balances, and it needs to be that way. Corruption is corruption at any level. But the general public (AKA, every swinging dick including our adversaries) does NOT need to know the finite details of the intelligence world writ large.
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Fuck right off with that shit. Clearly the status quo is preventing little to nothing and violating everyone's rights.
 
87manche said:
While I can appreciate the need for national security and all that jazz, there are documented cases of laws being broken on a massive scale, with 0 repercussion.

So if they can't clean their own house then it's time to make serious changes to the structure of the entire thing.
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And if it wasn't for the likes of Edward Snowden, we wouldn't know how bad it is.
 
JD Mark said:
And if it wasn't for the likes of Edward Snowden, we wouldn't know how bad it is.
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Oh we'd know. We knew before Snowden, as well as the public can about such things. The difference without Snowden would be that the people who deserve bullets would have been able to continue pretending it wasn't happening.
 
This is a huge fucking problem for CIA. They USED to be able to actually get shit done. But now everyone worries about consequences and doesn't do anything awesome. Checks and balances are not useful here because it's all just "cover my ass" now.

And Trump set a precedence for not taking your clearances with you when leaving. Good or bad, not sure. But people are leaving the agency for the private sector fast.

Spying on your citizens like this is BULLSHIT.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Yes it would give ISIS more power and they would happily do that because giving ISIS more power would give them more power. Ain't no different than when they use the ones they failed to prevent to advance their agenda.


Fuck right off with that shit. Clearly the status quo is preventing little to nothing and violating everyone's rights.
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No rights violations in BFE Africa :flipoff2:
 
Otto M@n said:
Honestly I don't agree or disagree, but I can see your point. I'd also offer that there is something to be said for NOT saying anything.

As a generic example, if ISIS tried another 9/11 and our boys thumped them before they could pull it off. Makes world news. Does not that give ISIS that much more power of fear?

"How have we let ISIS get this close to us?"
"ISIS says: We're closer than ever to the next attack"

Lots of factors to consider, more than just total transparency to its people.

Ultimately, the Intel Community is most definitely subject to its own checks and balances, and it needs to be that way. Corruption is corruption at any level. But the general public (AKA, every swinging dick including our adversaries) does NOT need to know the finite details of the intelligence world writ large.
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What is your belief in the purpose of government?

Because when I get down to my view on the fundamental purpose of government, there are very, very , very few factors to consider more than transparency to the people.

One of the major problems we have in the country and one that gets very little traction is the overclassification of documents in the system.
 
Otto M@n said:
Honestly I don't agree or disagree, but I can see your point. I'd also offer that there is something to be said for NOT saying anything.

As a generic example, if ISIS tried another 9/11 and our boys thumped them before they could pull it off. Makes world news. Does not that give ISIS that much more power of fear?

"How have we let ISIS get this close to us?"
"ISIS says: We're closer than ever to the next attack"

Lots of factors to consider, more than just total transparency to its people.

Ultimately, the Intel Community is most definitely subject to its own checks and balances, and it needs to be that way. Corruption is corruption at any level. But the general public (AKA, every swinging dick including our adversaries) does NOT need to know the finite details of the intelligence world writ large.
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This the intel community that escorted a bunch of fucksticks through the capitol, then gaslit the country calling it a fuckin insurrection?

Or the intel community that investigated parents that were too outspoken at school board meetings because they found out they were teaching faggy buttfuckin in 3rd grade?

This doesn't even touch the amount of cocks the nsa sucks on a daily basis.

the "intel" community is full of fags, Karens, and ass kissers.
 
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MuntCuffin said:
This the intel community that escorted a bunch of fucksticks through the capitol, then gaslit the country calling it a fuckin insurrection?

Or the intel community that investigated parents that were too outspoken at school board meetings because they found out they were teaching faggy buttfuckin in 3rd grade?

This doesn't even touch the amount of cocks the nsa sucks on a daily basis.

the "intel" community is full of fags, Karens, and ass kissers.
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