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Hearing they took electronic devices. Not hearing anything else. Witch hunt. anti-trump or something going on?
 
The raid on Giuliani, who has served as a personal attorney for former President Donald Trump, comes as federal authorities were investigating whether Giuliani violated the law by lobbying the Trump administration on behalf of Ukrainian officials in 2019.
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interesting.

Though... is it really a big deal? I mean... FBI spied on 45's campaign, FFS....

FBI - 4th branch of gov't.
 
The Dems hatred of Trump will never end.

That said, when something like this happens, I always wonder what the dems are doing with their other hand.
 
hard to deny some of what's happening isn't politically motivated
 
Roc Doc said:
No I'm not kidding. I'd like to see some proof that it's D controlled...other than some anecdotal musings from a bunch of Trump fluffers.

Bring it.
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well... it's all subjective... but.. (EDIT: I'd argue it's not D vs R... it's Elite vs other... FBI is definitely inside the Elite's circle of trust)

spied on a GOP campaign
didn't prosecute Hillary
all but dropped Biden investigations...
 
Roc Doc said:
No I'm not kidding. I'd like to see some proof that it's D controlled...other than some anecdotal musings from a bunch of Trump fluffers.

Bring it.
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I don't know Doc... I suppose anybody in an organization can be swayed by a political bias. Comey comes to mind as well as McCabe. I'm not saying they are Dem controlled, but when the peeps at the top are making decisions based on political bias as opposed to law... it could sure be misconstrued in that way. It happens on either side too... so don't get me wrong. I am literally to the point that the LEAST amount of Government is the only way to sort this mess. And that isn't likely.... Both parties need to be broken.
 
Roc Doc said:
So just to be clear, the FBI is a Democratic controlled organization?
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The FBI has ALWAYS been corrupt.

Why this is new or surprising shocks me.

I mean the were lead by J Edgar Hoover for crying out loud.

And look at what they have done in their labs. They have convinced people that some pseudoscience bullshit is legit science and used it to convict people. Look up "Comparative Bullet-Lead Analysis" and some of their shit on comparative hair matches.

They get good press, are depicted as heroes in movies and have shows like Criminal Minds (which is nothing but Scooby Doo for middle aged women) and people eat that shit up.
 
rockota said:
well... it's all subjective... but.. (EDIT: I'd argue it's not D vs R... it's Elite vs other... FBI is definitely inside the Elite's circle of trust)

spied on a GOP campaign
didn't prosecute Hillary
all but dropped Biden investigations...
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I go along with all that, especially the Elite vs other part.

Shame on me, I've known about the Ruby Ridge murders for a long time but only recently looked into it in detail. All that for sawing off a shotgun, which should be legal anyway. :mad3:
 
flecker said:
I don't know Doc... I suppose anybody in an organization can be swayed by a political bias. Comey comes to mind as well as McCabe. I'm not saying they are Dem controlled, but when the peeps at the top are making decisions based on political bias as opposed to law... it could sure be misconstrued in that way. It happens on either side too... so don't get me wrong. I am literally to the point that the LEAST amount of Government is the only way to sort this mess. And that isn't likely.... Both parties need to be broken.
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I just don't see it as political bias as much as self-serving lack of accountability. Like Rockota said, it's about the Elites, we all know nothing is going to come of the Epstein case, nothing will come of the Hunter Biden situation, and nothing will come of the Russian or other interferences in our elections.

And yes, until we get term limits and even then, it will be a long time till our system is unbroken.

Which country in the world has an enviable system of government? Not touting ours, but seriously who has it figured out? Some do well economically, some have great health care, some have the ability to stay out of everyone elses business, some have incarceration figured out, etc., but which is best?
 
Roc Doc said:
I just don't see it as political bias as much as self-serving lack of accountability. Like Rockota said, it's about the Elites, we all know nothing is going to come of the Epstein case, nothing will come of the Hunter Biden situation, and nothing will come of the Russian or other interferences in our elections.

And yes, until we get term limits and even then, it will be a long time till our system is unbroken.

Which country in the world has an enviable system of government? Not touting ours, but seriously who has it figured out? Some do well economically, some have great health care, some have the ability to stay out of everyone elses business, some have incarceration figured out, etc., but which is best?
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in design, the constitutional republic is the best there is.

but government cares primarily about the survival of government... One people in power get a taste, they don't give it up. Nature of man, I guess.
 
Roc Doc said:

Definition of rhetorical​


b: employed for rhetorical effect especially : asked merely for effect with no answer expected
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Fuck You,

Sometimes it needs to be said.

:flipoff2::flipoff2:
 
rockota said:
in design, the constitutional republic is the best there is.

but government cares primarily about the survival of government... One people in power get a taste, they don't give it up. Nature of man, I guess.
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Yeah, evolve or collapse. Look at how powerful Russia is now and not all that long away from a completely different form of government. Not that it's working well for the average Russian, but the country itself is rich and reasonably powerful.

Our government is like an Amoeba that undergoes fission. Under GWB we got DHS and TSA, and of course bullshit like the Patriot Act. This system has been circling the drain for some time now.
 
Roc Doc said:
I just don't see it as political bias as much as self-serving lack of accountability. Like Rockota said, it's about the Elites, we all know nothing is going to come of the Epstein case, nothing will come of the Hunter Biden situation, and nothing will come of the Russian or other interferences in our elections.

And yes, until we get term limits and even then, it will be a long time till our system is unbroken.

Which country in the world has an enviable system of government? Not touting ours, but seriously who has it figured out? Some do well economically, some have great health care, some have the ability to stay out of everyone elses business, some have incarceration figured out, etc., but which is best?
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There is no winner... I have yet to see a country that has a government not run by an elite, corrupt human base...
 
Roc Doc said:
Yeah, evolve or collapse. Look at how powerful Russia is now and not all that long away from a completely different form of government. Not that it's working well for the average Russian, but the country itself is rich and reasonably powerful.

Our government is like an Amoeba that undergoes fission. Under GWB we got DHS and TSA, and of course bullshit like the Patriot Act. This system has been circling the drain for some time now.
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One thing though, with regards to government and countries, it needs the people to have that inherent sense. Otherwise, it's a great form of government with people bred to only ever know socialism. Similarly, the american spirit used to the intangible value we had.
 
Roc Doc said:
Yeah, evolve or collapse. Look at how powerful Russia is now and not all that long away from a completely different form of government. Not that it's working well for the average Russian, but the country itself is rich and reasonably powerful.

Our government is like an Amoeba that undergoes fission. Under GWB we got DHS and TSA, and of course bullshit like the Patriot Act. This system has been circling the drain for some time now.
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I strongly agree with this statement. It's spot on. And THANK YOU for highlighting the repugnant party is just as much a corrupt club as the left leaning liberal idiots. That can't be said enough imo.
 
heard a little more on that. Seems that they are going to try to get him on the logan act for something to do with ukrane. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I would love for this to backfire and tangle up hunter biden (who by the way just got a teaching job and a university.) and expose all that mess.

I half agree with Doc that I do not think that the rank and file FBI agents are partisan but I really do believe in the deep state. Not in the way that trump stated it but there is a level, lets call them elites who have been at their position for years or decades and they all protect each other. Who knows more the head of the FBI that changes every few years or the guy one or two levels under them that has been there for 20 years and seen everything that has gone on, Who in turn knows the other people at other agencies that have also been there for years. I think those are the real players.
 
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