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Equinox awd rear diff. actuator, anyone deal with this?

Tiha

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2016 Chevy equinox, 2.4 AWD 105k miles.

My daughter has had this car for 4 years. She just went and bought a Tahoe. So it is left up to me to sell this for her and get as much money as I can for her.

First the muffler was so bad I had to replace it just to be able to hear any other noises and to see better while driving. It was loud. lol

When turning sharp I hear a rumble, like old school limited slip that needs additive. Now on a test drive last night there is a really bad vibration most of the time 30-40mph. Only when accelerating and not every time. I had not driven this vehicle since the test drive when she bought it 77 k miles ago.

Wheel bearings, axle shafts all check good. Had even pulled the E-brake as I had read the linings fall off but they are good.

Changed oil in rear end. With limited slip additive, no change.

Noise is definitely from the rear end.

I am at the point where I am thinking this is the Rear differential clutch pack actuator. For those that don't know, this is bolted to the front of the rear diff basically. It has a clutch and a motor that control power to the rear wheels. There is the actuator and a module. If you change one you have to program it or change both.

That setup is $2500. So gotta be sure. Probably won't replace it but don't want to tell the buyer that is the problem if that is not the problem.

I have no idea how to troubleshoot it, but I learned some other things about the vehicle last night I did not know.

For starters, the RF tire is a 225/60 17. The other 3 tires are 225/65 17. But a mis matched tire on the front, why would that affect the rear?
If I put 4 matching tires on it, is the damage done? Or is there a good chance the noise and vibration will go away?
I don't know where she got the front tires, probably something her boyfriend at the time did. But they done screwed up.

Next, the tires on the front both have great tread, Kelly all season something, even if they are different sizes. The tires on the rear are bald Michelin something.
Could that cause it?

the left rear TPMS sensor gives the --- signal, it is dead. Does the GM AWD take tpms into account when controlling the rear diff?

I did read where as if you pull fuse #48 under the hood that will disable the AWD system and if the noise goes away then the cause is most likely the actuator or controller.
Got too late and I did not do this last night.

This is all kind of stupid I know. but getting this right is a big difference between getting her $5k or what $2k as is if it is the actuator?

Or should I put the bad muffler back on to cover the noises and say, "just needs a muffler"

Thanks for the help!
 
The mismatched tire isn't helping anything
No it is not. I got a pretzel in my head over that.

Not opposed to going to walmart and throwing $400 worth of tires on, but if the damage is permanent then I would enjoy taking a match to that $400 more than going to walmart.

I can't imagine that would affect the rear but I suppose it would have to really.
 
Pull the awd fuse :lmao: According to the internet it’s Fuse 48 under the hood. Let the next guy worry about it .
 
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Sounds very haldexish.
They chatter when thw filter is nasty. Little pump cant apply the clutches cause no fluid flow.

Just my experience with haldex active couplers.
No idea if that's what you got.
 
Pull the awd fuse :lmao: According to the internet it’s Fuse 48 under the hood. Let the next guy worry about it .
I thought about that and selling it as a FWD, wasn't sure if there would be a message in the dash or not.

That idea is still on the table. It has all the options anyone could want otherwise.
 
Sounds very haldexish.
They chatter when thw filter is nasty. Little pump cant apply the clutches cause no fluid flow.

Just my experience with haldex active couplers.
No idea if that's what you got.
This is what it comes up as, contains a main clutch, pilot clutch, electromagnetic coil, rear wheel shaft, main cam, pilot cam

I did change oil and the old oil was clean.

Finding used ones on ebay for $350-$700 but not with module so it would need to be programmed. If I was going to "fix" it then I probably need to put tires on first.

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That doesn't sound like haldex.
They use fluid pressure to apply the clutches
 
one of the worst cars ever made by gm. or any other mfg really. she should be happy with whatever she gets out of it. thankfull its not drinking oil. sold plenty of them in past, never will willingly put another on my lot. have not heard of the actuator problem you described, but following along for the solution in case we see one here. good luck bud :laughing:
 
Man 2 bald tires in the rear and 2 new but mismatched in the front, that poor POS never had a chance.

Hopefully she takes better care of the Tahoe 🤷‍♂️
man I sure didnt want to bash the guys kid but it sounds just like I would expect an equinox driver to do. equinox driver = sentra driver. :lmao: sorry tiha. im sure shes a good kid.

be sure to tell her about the afm in her new tahoe and to keep the oil changed, way ahead of the oe recommendation.

in her defense, no one ever told her to keep 4 matching tires on the car in school. but Im sure she learned algebra and geometry and sciency things. probably had all sort of sportsball things too. just not how to survive and keep a car on the road. :shaking::laughing:
 
The tire size difference is small, but I wonder if it’s detecting a mismatch in wheel speed and engaging the clutch pack for the rear diff. Then grumbling like a limited slip because there is an actual difference in driveshaft speed.

Unless a bearing is going bad, the clutch system should be silent while the front and rear tires are spinning the same speed.

My vote is on the tire size causing the grumble and vibration
 
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man I sure didnt want to bash the guys kid but it sounds just like I would expect an equinox driver to do. equinox driver = sentra driver. :lmao: sorry tiha. im sure shes a good kid.
Nah, Don't feel bad about it. Wife and I shake our heads at her all the time. She is a handful. She has always been the troublemaker of the family. Now a single mom with 2 kids. She has been saying for a year she wanted the equinox to blow up so she could get a new car.

Oh, but now she wants money back out of it. LOL

Kids.
 
The tire size difference is small, but I wonder if it’s detecting a mismatch in wheel speed and engaging the clutch pack for the rear diff. Then grumbling like a limited slip because there is an actual difference in driveshaft speed.

Unless a bearing is goong bad, the clutch systen should be silent while the front and rear tires are spinning the same speed.

My vote is on the tire size causing the grumble and vibration
the tire size difference when they were new is 1''. I have not looked up gms max difference allowed, but typically on awd cars its 2-3/32. now add in the worn out tires on the rear and its likely it had over 1'' difference. i agree with you, i would bet the tires are causing it/have caused it.
 
The tire size difference is small, but I wonder if it’s detecting a mismatch in wheel speed and engaging the clutch pack for the rear diff. Then grumbling like a limited slip because there is an actual difference in driveshaft speed.


My vote is on the tire size causing the grumble and vibration
Yeah I was hoping someone would have a better understanding of the GM system. Was thinking one of the manufacturers used TPMS data in their AWD system.

If I buy tires I will replace the TPMS as well, just wondering if damage is done or if noise will go away.
 
the tire size difference when they were new is 1''. I have not looked up gms max difference allowed, but typically on awd cars its 2-3/32. now add in the worn out tires on the rear and its likely it had over 1'' difference. i agree with you, i would bet the tires are causing it/have caused it.
So a quick calculator says the 225/60 is 27.6" tall
The 225/65 is 28.5"

that is a lot. I am not sure the kelly vs michelin revs per mile I am sure is different even though they are both 225/65 tires
 
the tire size difference when they were new is 1''. I have not looked up gms max difference allowed, but typically on awd cars its 2-3/32. now add in the worn out tires on the rear and its likely it had over 1'' difference. i agree with you, i would bet the tires are causing it/have caused it.

With the rear tires starting taller, them being bald actually brings everything closer to the same size :laughing:. But not close enough apparently haha

Yeah I was hoping someone would have a better understanding of the GM system. Was thinking one of the manufacturers used TPMS data in their AWD system.

If I buy tires I will replace the TPMS as well, just wondering if damage is done or if noise will go away.

IMO even if the clutch pack is completely fried from having this mismatch for thousands of miles, it should still run silent once all 4 tires are the same size. That is, unless there was an actual bearing failure but from you're description I'm still leaning toward basic clutch noise.

I'm intrigued by these clutch engagement systems in general but don't have any GM specific details on the logic they use. But it seems to make sense
 
man I sure didnt want to bash the guys kid but it sounds just like I would expect an equinox driver to do. equinox driver = sentra driver. :lmao: sorry tiha. im sure shes a good kid.

be sure to tell her about the afm in her new tahoe and to keep the oil changed, way ahead of the oe recommendation.

in her defense, no one ever told her to keep 4 matching tires on the car in school. but Im sure she learned algebra and geometry and sciency things. probably had all sort of sportsball things too. just not how to survive and keep a car on the road. :shaking::laughing:
No defense.
The owners manual states it I'm sure.
But no one ever reads the book for their very expensive appliance.
 
Okay I think I am starting to form a plan.

Pull the fuse #48, if the noise goes away, then new tires and tpms sensor.

If the noise does not go away then sell as is.

If the actuator had permanent damage, it would make noise no matter what? Or just not function. But it isn't throwing codes at all.

But it actually sounds like it is doing what it is supposed to do and control power to the rear wheels and having a hard time because the mismatched tires.

At least that kind of makes sense to me.
 
Okay I think I am starting to form a plan.

Pull the fuse #48, if the noise goes away, then new tires and tpms sensor.

If the noise does not go away then sell as is.

If the actuator had permanent damage, it would make noise no matter what? Or just not function. But it isn't throwing codes at all.

But it actually sounds like it is doing what it is supposed to do and control power to the rear wheels and having a hard time because the mismatched tires.

At least that kind of makes sense to me.

Sounds like a solid plan to me. Pulling power from the clutch pack should tell ya what you need to know before spending money. The actuator has bearings that could go bad like a pinion bearing, so if those are bad it will continue grumbling. But if it's just clutch grumble, then its working as intended and will go silent when you depower it. Even if clutches are toast, it should go quiet when not energized
 
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So a quick calculator says the 225/60 is 27.6" tall
The 225/65 is 28.5"

that is a lot. I am not sure the kelly vs michelin revs per mile I am sure is different even though they are both 225/65 tires
Swap diagonal corners to both ends of the car have one of each size to rule that out. That will get your front and rear diffs spinning the same speed.
 
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I’d put new tires on it , then test drive . If no change then pull the fuse and test drive .

Or reverse that sequence
 
I pulled the fuse last night and Service AWD system came up on the display, so just leaving the fuse out is a no go.

But on the test drive all of the vibration and noise was gone. Also the slow speed sharp turns the noise was gone.

going to get new tires and a TPMS and test drive again.

Really hope that fixes it.

In all the fancy programming why can't they have a code that says LF tire speed not reading correctly or something to point to that being the problem.
 
Price difference between great and running/driving as is
I have no idea. I figured I would list if for $5,500 because the body isn't perfect. Maybe $6k if tires fix it. That is still under private party value according to KBB

As is, No idea what it would go for. $2k? if I am lucky? There are a lot of equinoxs listed locally with problems in that range that have been posted a long time.
 
In all the fancy programming why can't they have a code that says LF tire speed not reading correctly or something to point to that being the problem.
Would it help? Just another light on the dash to some.
 
It is about to jump time so check the oil and figure it out quickly. :flipoff2: Btw they burn oil and if it is cold the pcv freezes and blows the rear main so badly that it will be empty in under 100 mile.
 
I have no idea. I figured I would list if for $5,500 because the body isn't perfect. Maybe $6k if tires fix it. That is still under private party value according to KBB

As is, No idea what it would go for. $2k? if I am lucky? There are a lot of equinoxs listed locally with problems in that range that have been posted a long time.
List it for $4k right now and see what happens in a week
 
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