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Skinny said:
Please explain to me how anyone that uses a vehicle for work is going to implement this in a non-cost prohibited manner and actually get service for it nationwide?

Correct answer is you can't. You will run the emission shit whether you like it or not and eat the repair costs because your local dealer will only work on your newer truck that way.
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Not always..
 
I don't see it. It's going to remain YouTube fodder. Maybe these guys will get some grant money and create kits. Highly doubtful it goes anywhere outside of niche market. Think Cummins R2.8 level. Sure it exists, not exactly taking over the world of repower.

I'm not saying I don't like any of it. I think it's all cool. But when you have to play with Uncle Sam and the EPA, have a product that most likely will require some level of financing involved, and at this time literally is nowhere near EPA compliant with current standards let alone the next Tier coming down the pipeline I don't see it.
 
Skinny said:
I don't see it. It's going to remain YouTube fodder. Maybe these guys will get some grant money and create kits. Highly doubtful it goes anywhere outside of niche market. Think Cummins R2.8 level. Sure it exists, not exactly taking over the world of repower.

I'm not saying I don't like any of it. I think it's all cool. But when you have to play with Uncle Sam and the EPA, have a product that most likely will require some level of financing involved, and at this time literally is nowhere near EPA compliant with current standards let alone the next Tier coming down the pipeline I don't see it.
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I'm far from well versed in EPA Emissions Compliance/Standards, but do recall a video from Edison in which they stated something to the effect that when the diesel engine is used as a generator, there are no Emissions Compliance/Standards to be met. I'm sure there are various gray areas in that explanation too though.
 
Unless they are buying generators from a third world country it is going to have emissions on it. You'd never be able to get them in the country and still not legal.

The only engines I see without SCR or DOC are little guys like 30 horse and smaller diesels. Past that they have DOC cats. Once you get into like 50kw (don't quote me on that) they have SCR and require DEF. No exceptions...they don't exist anymore. Tier 4 is tier 4 either way you slice it whether on road, off road, Marine, power generation, etc.

Supposedly off-road or emergency power generation doesn't have to meet Tier 4 according to the EPA charts but I don't think that is what is out in the real world.
 
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I think one of their recent videos was saying that the Scandia V8 is current tier compliant without DEF for what that's worth. I wonder what other consequences that has. Remember Edison is Canadian too so they aren't dealing with "our" EPA but with the Canuk equivalent.
 
Mr. Mindless said:
I think one of their recent videos was saying that the Scandia V8 is current tier compliant without DEF for what that's worth. I wonder what other consequences that has. Remember Edison is Canadian too so they aren't dealing with "our" EPA but with the Canuk equivalent.
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Canada is a copy cat of California in most cases.
 
Often the problem with emission equipment is when the engine is being used outside of its ideal range, which is most of the time when people are driving to the mall. An engine running full load at rated power should give less trouble than one being putted around.
 
I think you're right, and with all the emission control reliability issues in the past 15 years, that alone may make a diesel-electric worth its weight in reliability in certain circumstances? I don't know enough about whether certain industry segments have a rougher time with emissions breakdowns than others.
 
That is true that if it's running under load it's better for the system operation. I've had new gems plug up with 100 hours from not being under load. Which makes no sense of how that is even possibly engineered to work that way.

How Scania makes an engine with no DEF is beyond me. I mean blowing fuel through it and keeping combustion cool will do the same. Maybe they have uber expensive EGR systems. No idea.

Either way none of these things actually work on the real world let alone outside of warranty. The only fix are block off plates and tunes :eek:
 
It just seems too good to be true by a long shot. How they're doing it without cheating is beyond me and I'm sure since VW got caught everyone looks for that (which is how the Mopar ecodiesels got caught, not sure if there were others as well)
 
1oddtech said:
Over 700 HP no dpf or scr is required which I believe is what Edison is doing
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Do you have any source for this? Every Tier 4 chart I have looked at simply states 750+ horse are all required at this point. So I'm not sure where that is applicable except in a third world country.
 
So that sounds like they found a strategy that lowers NOx without needing SCR and DEF fluid. Probably all new combustion chamber design, more EGR, better EGR cooling, etc.

Guaranteed it will still have a particulate filter.

The end game here with the next bump in Tier compliance will most likely be forcing manufacturers to redesign the entire engine and fuel system.

This will cause reliability issues due to production and manufacturing changes, retooling, etc. There will be a lag in technician training, parts availability, etc. The EPA will mandate the mileage warranty increase on these new systems to ensure proper operation. That will drive pricing up, force you into an even deeper relationship with the dealer.

There is zero light at the end of the tunnel. Not to be political but unless we get a government that says what the EPA did with these regulations is wrong, which the courts have already deemed true, with political figures walking back this bullshit. People realizing that the new upcoming economies of the world (China, India, etc.) are polluting infinity more then us. Will we ever get a break.

Otherwise keep stroking it and move to a state where your delete kit is overlooked. ITS NEVER GETTING BETTER FOR DIESEL ENGINES...PERIOD
 
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