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Dominion Voting sues Fox for $1.6B over 2020 election claims

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Dominion Voting sues Fox for $1.6B over 2020 election claims


By COLLEEN LONG57 minutes ago




Dominion Voting sues Fox for $1.6B over 2020 election claims


By COLLEEN LONG57 minutes ago
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FILE- In this Sept. 16, 2019, file photo, a Dominion Voting Systems voting machine is seen in Atlanta. Dominion Voting Systems is filing a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News, arguing the cable news giant falsely claimed in an effort to boost faltering ratings that the voting company rigged the 2020 election, according to a copy of the lawsuit obtained by The Associated Press (AP Photo/John Bazemore, File)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Dominion Voting Systems on Friday filed a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News, arguing the cable news giant falsely claimed in an effort to boost faltering ratings that the voting company had rigged the 2020 election.

It’s the first defamation suit filed against a media outlet by the voting company, which was a target of misleading, false and bizarre claims spread by President Donald Trump and his allies in the aftermath of Trump’s election loss to Joe Biden. Those claims helped spur on rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 in a violent siege that left five people dead, including a police officer. The siege led to Trump’s historic second impeachment.

Dominion argues that Fox News, which amplified inaccurate assertions that Dominion altered votes, “sold a false story of election fraud in order to serve its own commercial purposes, severely injuring Dominion in the process,” according to a copy of the lawsuit obtained by The Associated Press.

“The truth matters. Lies have consequences,” the lawsuit said. “Fox sold a false story of election fraud in order to serve its own commercial purposes, severely injuring Dominion in the process. If this case does not rise to the level of defamation by a broadcaster, then nothing does.”

Some Fox News on-air reporting segments have debunked some of the claims targeting Dominion. An email sent to Fox News on Friday morning, seeking comment on the lawsuit, was not immediately returned.

There was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election, a fact that a range of election officials across the country — and even Trump’s attorney general, William Barr — have confirmed. Republican governors in Arizona and Georgia, key battleground states crucial to Biden’s victory, also vouched for the integrity of the elections in their states. Nearly all the legal challenges from Trump and his allies were dismissed by judges, including two tossed by the Supreme Court, which has three Trump-nominated justices.

Still, some Fox News employees elevated false charges that Dominion had changed votes through algorithms in its voting machines that had been created in Venezuela to rig elections for the late dictator Hugo Chavez. On-air personalities brought on Trump allies Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, who spread the claims, and then amplified those claims on Fox News’ massive social media platforms.

Dominion said in the lawsuit that it tried repeatedly to set the record straight but was ignored by Fox News.

The company argues that Fox News, a network that features several pro-Trump personalities, pushed the false claims to explain away the former president’s loss. The cable giant lost viewers after the election and was seen by some Trump supporters as not being supportive enough of the Republican.

Attorneys for Dominion said Fox News’ behavior differs greatly from that of other media outlets that reported on the claims.

“This was a conscious, knowing business decision to endorse and repeat and broadcast these lies in order to keep its viewership,” said attorney Justin Nelson, of Susman Godfrey.

Though Dominion serves 28 states, until the 2020 election it had been largely unknown outside the election community. It is now widely targeted in conservative circles, seen by millions of people as one of the main villains in a fictional tale in which Democrats nationwide conspired to steal votes from Trump, the lawsuit said.

Dominion’s employees, from its software engineers to its founder, have been harassed. Some received death threats. And the company has suffered “enormous and irreparable economic harm,” lawyers said.

Dominion has also sued Giuliani, Powell and the CEO of Minnesota-based MyPillow over the claims. A rival technology company, Smartmatic USA, also sued Fox News over election claims. Unlike Dominion, Smartmatic’s participation in the 2020 election was restricted to Los Angeles County.

Dominion lawyers said they have not yet filed lawsuits against specific media personalities at Fox News but the door remains open. Some at Fox News knew the claims were false but their comments were drowned out, lawyers said.

“The buck stops with Fox on this,” attorney Stephen Shackelford said. “Fox chose to put this on all of its many platforms. They rebroadcast, republished it on social media and other places.”

The suit was filed in Delaware, where both companies are incorporated, though Fox News is headquartered in New York and Dominion is based in Denver.
 
They will mostly likely win since I doubt there's any evidence that they rigged the machines. Lots of hearsay and innuendo, but so far no evidence that's admissible in court.
 
This is really interesting to me... how do they clear their name, without all the logs, from all the elections? How do they prove proper chain of custody for those logs? The hash marks won't lie.

People have already started taking this apart, forensically. It's why the lower courts are starting to hear cases.
 
This is really interesting to me... how do they clear their name, without all the logs, from all the elections? How do they prove proper chain of custody for those logs? The hash marks won't lie.

People have already started taking this apart, forensically. It's why the lower courts are starting to hear cases.

This is a civil suit, and from everything I've ever heard/read it's up to the person/company that makes an allegation (in this case Fox News) to provide proof of said allegation. Dominion doesn't have to prove that they didn't rig the machines. I'll be watching to see how this turns out.
 
This is really interesting to me... how do they clear their name, without all the logs, from all the elections? How do they prove proper chain of custody for those logs? The hash marks won't lie.

People have already started taking this apart, forensically. It's why the lower courts are starting to hear cases.

As I have said many times before, bring on discovery.
 
This is a civil suit, and from everything I've ever heard/read it's up to the person/company that makes an allegation (in this case Fox News) to provide proof of said allegation. Dominion doesn't have to prove that they didn't rig the machines. I'll be watching to see how this turns out.

Thing is, in order to rebut the case, Fox can ask for all the logs. If they're compromised, how is Fox in the wrong? This is basically a libel and slander case (the allegations are both written and spoken). The best defense? We were speaking the truth, which Dominion has to shoot down.

Yes, Dominion has to prove they didn't rig the machines... how else do they prove that Fox lied about them?

As I have said many times before, bring on discovery.

Exactly. Give me all the logs, from all your machines.
 
So they (Dominion) isnt saying their machines cant be rigged just that they didnt do it ?
 
As I have said many times before, bring on discovery.

the discovery is that Sidney and Rudy and the rest literally made all of it up. It was a whole fabric of lies. They are after Powell and her defense is, 'of course it was lies, that was obvious'.

It sucks they lied to decent folks who believed them.
 
So they (Dominion) isnt saying their machines cant be rigged just that they didnt do it ?

nope. they are saying the stories were fabricated to harm them and that there was no way to do what the campaign said they did.
 
nope. they are saying the stories were fabricated to harm them and that there was no way to do what the campaign said they did.

Thing is, in order to prove that, they have to prove Fox's stories are untrue.
 
This is really interesting to me... how do they clear their name, without all the logs, from all the elections? How do they prove proper chain of custody for those logs? The hash marks won't lie.

People have already started taking this apart, forensically. It's why the lower courts are starting to hear cases.

All they have to do is prove that they weren't the ones that interfered. This is like a car manufacturer proving that the car that crashed into a bus full of nuns wasn't unsafe, that it was the driver's fault.
 
They will probably win a small settlement in the scheme of things. I think this is going to hurt their “reputation” more than they realize. Even though its a civil suit so different shit applies but discovery is still discovery and fox is going to rip them apart with it for making them show up in court. Even if they lose they are going to make it hurt.
 
This is a civil suit, and from everything I've ever heard/read it's up to the person/company that makes an allegation (in this case Fox News) to provide proof of said allegation. Dominion doesn't have to prove that they didn't rig the machines. I'll be watching to see how this turns out.

Regardless of Civil or Criminal, I was under the impression that the burden of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt) falls on the prosecution or plaintiff. In this case, it's up to Dominion to prove that what Fox said was false and therefore slanderous. The process required to prove this will require them to furnish all the records. If there are any missing or corrupted records, the Fox attorneys will just sit there with their arms crossed and win.
 
I bet the other news agencies are watching this closely... setting a precedent for being sued... not that media outlets have ever overtly lied about other shit.
 
Regardless of Civil or Criminal, I was under the impression that the burden of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt) falls on the prosecution or plaintiff. In this case, it's up to Dominion to prove that what Fox said was false and therefore slanderous. The process required to prove this will require them to furnish all the records. If there are any missing or corrupted records, the Fox attorneys will just sit there with their arms crossed and win.

And the simple fact that they designed software that was supposed to be "secure" but was in fact NOT IN ANY WAY secure. They are going to lose. It's already been proven that you can:

a: run the same stack of ballots more than once, in fact you can do it 100 times
b: after ballots are scanned whoever is running the computer can choose to keep or discard the scanned lot
c: machines were hooked up to non-secure networks

And that's just the top 3 big ones.

Anyone that knows anything about computers and basic security knows that Dominion Voting and the word security is a huge joke.
 
I bet the other news agencies are watching this closely... setting a precedent for being sued... not that media outlets have ever overtly lied about other shit.

Morning guy I listen to says the lawyers have been meeting. He is worried that they will use this to reenstate the so called fairness dictrine
 
All they have to do is prove that they weren't the ones that interfered. This is like a car manufacturer proving that the car that crashed into a bus full of nuns wasn't unsafe, that it was the driver's fault.

Yes, but they have to release the interference. That's a win.
 
I believe you're incorrect. We'll see as this plays out.

Gotta side with the old man on this one.


If you accuse me of being a whore or a thief, it's up to you to prove I'm a whore or a thief. It's not on me to prove I'm not a whore and I'm not a thief.
Sometimes it's impossible to prove innocence of something. Like to prove I'm not a whore, what do I do? Sit in my room with a camera on me 24x7 for a year without sucking a dick?

Nope. You claimed whore, so you pony up the vid of me banging midgets for 20 bucks, or pay me for slander.
 
What happens if during discovery it is determined that the machines did in fact throw the election for Biden? What would be the legal protocol?
 
Then the case against them would be dismissed and the plaintiff is awarded nothing.
Do you mean what other outside potentials could come from that? If so, very good question.
 
Then the case against them would be dismissed and the plaintiff is awarded nothing.
Do you mean what other outside potentials could come from that? If so, very good question.


Yes. Would they be like “well joe wasn’t the people’s choice, but we’ll let him ride it out anyway...”

or do they go “well none of these fucks are eligible, so it goes to Speaker of The House.”

Or what else could happen legally?
 
I think 75 million people would be very pissed off.
And another 40 million, while still glad he's gone, internally sickened as well.
Perhaps the sleepy Supreme Court would have to weigh in finally? Who knows, but it would sure be the story of the century.

I hope it happens.
 
Thing is, Dominion has to do this. If not, then they are complicit.
 
Yes, but they have to release the interference. That's a win.

not really.

the software was already government approved. so you just have to prove, as the manufacturer, that the software was not faulty and met the government's spec.
you can do that with a bunch of testing.
 
Yes, but they have to release the interference. That's a win.

Correct... much like selling the public a vehicle with a faulty "drive by wire" system. Is it the driver, or the manufacturer who is liable?
 
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