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Does one of the two parties actually represent you?

TheFlyingDildocupine said:
Lolwut? All they do here is bicker about how the other team is interfering with their brilliant master plan and the bad guy other party is the scapegoat for everything.
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That is the norm for all political parties. With a 2-Party system, the constituents of each party tend toward the center, bringing the fringe with them in a de facto coalition. This means the moderates get most of the decision-making power, which is why a lot of people complain that nothing gets done.

We shouldn't have a wildly swinging political system, Moderates should be in control most of the time.

Calling other Parties names is common to all political systems, so you didn't make any useful observations.

Lolwut?
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You should also go back to reddit or instagram or wherever you came from.
 
to the point, none of them represent me, none of the top 10 parties on the ballot represent me. I don't vote for government specifically because "it will directly help me" that shit is stupid.

The R party is less disagreeable to the constitution than the D party, even well historically, and the L party is even more-so. Hell, the Constitutionalist party could be the most agreeable, but they are very overtly "christian", and that is disagreeable
 
Provience said:
Hell, the Constitutionalist party could be the most agreeable, but they are very overtly "christian", and that is disagreeable
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Just curious as to why? Different moral standards or something?
 
TheFlyingDildocupine said:
How so? They were allowed to serve openly and then Donny decided to throw a bone to the holy rollers by making a fuss about it.
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it's a complex issue, but gen milley and obama are the two biggest SJW's in the history of the DOD who caved to the demands of a literal traitor to this nation. the policy then implemented was a complete clusterfuck of shitballs and needed to be removed. There are plenty of people who are/were transgender who have served since transgenederism became a thing (as opposed to gender dysphoria that has been around since dawn of self-awareness) and the biggest difference is not a damned one of them required any special shit or government sponsored/mandated elective surgery and/or performance modifying drugs.
 
flecker said:
Just curious as to why? Different moral standards or something?
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in their policy it doesn't bleed across, so the reality is that they would likely be a bastion of freedom. Kind of like how Utah is "mormon country" and despite their insanity, is significantly more about liberty for everybody there than, say, CA/NY/WA/OR etc. or basically any "liberal" state. I personally prefer my politicians to minimize their religious affiliation as they have great influence just by virtue of position and there is no reason to be over the top. Trump does a decent job of this. Is he religious? if you ask him, "Oh sure, [majority religion] is the best ever! I really like that guy, what's his name? oh yeah [Deity] ! He's my favorite". If you ask my deeply christian cousin, "trump is a clear standing moral authority divined by christ and a good christian man", if you ask a liberal-political pastor in DC "trump is a liar and a grandstander on the good book"

so he allows projection of whatever anybody wants, what it does is minimize the very personal choice of religion from the politics of it. that matters when it comes to shit like influencing cabinet positions, judge nominations, executive orders and the like. Generally, his most ardent detractors don't say he is religiously motivated or, like Kennedy, controlled by the vatican :confused:
 
This shit has been going on long before any of us were born, or our grandparents were born, or their grandparents were born.

The problem as I see it, is that the .gov has gotten itself into the middle of way too much shit it has no business in. Between the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the job of the .gov should really be a very simple and very small one.

Both parties have been using the .gov as the de-facto "I'm telling Mom" to get their way. That should not happen. The USA has 50 mom's that should be dealing with most everything.
 
It baffles me how we can't get someone like Mike Rowe to run.
 
TheFlyingDildocupine said:
From their platform:





How on earth is that not "you need to live life the way my religious leader tells me to"? (And before you grasp at that straw, I am in no way advocating for kiddy porn or child molestation)

This shit is straight up christian sharia law.
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because that isn't all of their platform. Does it bleed over? well, yeah obviously.

they are opposed to forcing sexual orientation education and hate crime statutes, those are just christian, those are limiting the reach of the government

they aren't outright calling for new laws against obscenity, they are saying they support enforcing existing laws.

keep in mind, i'm not holding them up as some perfect platform, but their entire position isn't 100% good book enforcement and they are much more, generally, concerned with constitutional support.
 
woods said:
It baffles me how we can't get someone like Mike Rowe to run.
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He's been asked about it and even quasi nominated for it, and rejects the notion. I'd vote for Rowe but he doesn't think he's fit to lead, which is one of the best leadership skills he possesses. I think he hard passes over the lambasting from the left on his rejection of affirmative action and their policies on education, personal responsibilities etc.
 
JR4X said:
He's been asked about it and even quasi nominated for it, and rejects the notion. I'd vote for Rowe but he doesn't think he's fit to lead, which is one of the best leadership skills he possesses. I think he hard passes over the lambasting from the left on his rejection of affirmative action and their policies on education, personal responsibilities etc.
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Yea, its a real shame we cannot get someone with Rowe's demeanor into office.
 
I'm personally quite happy with President Trump. Not so much on those that have fought him from day 1...R's and D's.
 
Call me selfish, but I don't care about social issues and I don't care much about guns. I'm in the nuclear industry and own property with oil and gas wells. I vote based on that alone.
 
JR4X said:
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If one or the other is the actual representation that you want then that’s one thing. But the lesser of two evils voters are the one’s who really perpetuate the two party system. Not that the party they voted for represents them, but that the party they voted for is going to get a turn fucking over the other one. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. There’s far more of the lesser of two evils voters than you think. It doesn’t even have to be libertarian, can we all pick one or even make a new third party to push the fucking Democrats and Republicans off to the side? Why not?
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I've been trying to get that across here for years and it falls on deaf ears. Way too many "lesser of two evils" types here. Neither the R's or D's represent me, so fuck those assholes. After all they've been fucking the country for decades, so I refuse to vote for them.
 
SanDiegoCJ said:
I've been trying to get that across here for years and it falls on deaf ears. Way too many "lesser of two evils" types here. Neither the R's or D's represent me, so fuck those assholes. After all they've been fucking the country for decades, so I refuse to vote for them.
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We don’t agree on much but if even an old grumpy liberal **** from California can dump the Democrats we have to be able to come together on this.

evernoob is a fan of, A LOVER and DEFENDER of the Two party system. How much more evidence of the failure it is can you need? I’ll even let y’all pick the name. I’ll bail as a libertarian and join a viable 3rd party movement, I just want to see one at a legit 33 1/3% which would be enough to really put a dent the other two. This 3% the L’s pull ain’t cutting it.
 
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evernoob said:
2-Party system forces people to work together, instead of having a big splintered Parliament with a dozen parties.
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If 2 parties simplifies things, imagine how much more efficient ONE party would be!

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JR4X said:
We don’t agree on much but if even an old grumpy liberal **** from California can dump the Democrats we have to be able to come together on this.

evernoob is a fan of, A LOVER and DEFENDER of the Two party system. How much more evidence of the failure it is can you need? I’ll even let y’all pick the name. I’ll bail as a libertarian and join a viable 3rd party movement, I just want to see one at a legit 33 1/3% which would be enough to really put a dent the other two. This 3% the L’s pull ain’t cutting it.
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Nice to see you keep on with that bullshit of calling me a liberal and a democrat. You either read what you want to see or listen to the mouth breathers calling me that. :rolleyes:
You still don't understand the difference between liberal and libertarian. If you did understand the difference you wouldn't have posted what you did.
 
evernoob said:
False.

Dilemma.
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No it's not. Exaggeration fallacy, maybe... "the false dilemma fallacy asserts that there are only two mutually exclusive outcomes."

Who here is writing about the advantages of only two options? :laughing:
 
Does one or the other represent me? No, there is no party that represents me 100%. Politician wise, they only represent themselves.

I do align with one major party more so than the other.
 
I voted for GW Bush twice, and him and his cronies ran the table on the tax paying public. So much for the GOP being the fiscally responsible party.
 
SanDiegoCJ said:
Nice to see you keep on with that bullshit of calling me a liberal and a democrat. You either read what you want to see or listen to the mouth breathers calling me that. :rolleyes:
You still don't understand the difference between liberal and libertarian. If you did understand the difference you wouldn't have posted what you did.
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my bad Gary. We’re you not a Democrat earlier in life? I know as long as I was a Pirate you went Libertarian. But I was led to believe at one point you were a Dem.
 
Elwenil said:
I am a Heathen who despises all forms of christianity, supports The Constitution, hates drugs, hates open borders, likes small government, likes a strong military and hates general laziness and the social programs that support it. What party should I pick? At least with the republicans I only disagree with them on the religious aspect.
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The republicans do nothing to limit the size of government. And hating drugs is fine. But waging war on drugs is completely counter to small government. Everyone has to make some compromises, of course.
 
'84 Bronco II said:
I have read up on political parties and candidates, and there are some really good political alignment surveys out there that do a good job of showing which parties you align best with (including 3rd parties). It turns out I align equally poorly with both the Democrat an Republican parties, but I feel more strongly about the things I align with the Republicans on, so when forced to choose between a D and a R, I will always choose the R.

That said, I agree 90%+ with the Libertarian platform and will vote for a Libertarian candidate any chance I get regardless of whether they stand a snow ball's chance in hell of winning. Issues aren't black or white, and we'll never break free of this bipolar, two-party system until people are willing to do some research and vote for what they believe instead of who they think will win.
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I also came to this same realization. The last couple of election cycles I voted for the republican because I didn't want the Democrat. After doing some serious soul searching, I've made the decision that my vote this time around is going to be for the person I think is right for the job, not for the person that I think can beat Biden. Jojo2020.
 
I agree with neither party 100%. I'm probably slightly more conservative . I see myself as a libertarian. Most on here would think I'm a liberal. My family thinks I'm conservative. I vote libertarian whenever I can. Failing that, I usually vote against the incumbent.
 
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