Diesel Ram truck emission warranty extension

[Otto M@n]

I have a 2016 and just got this letter in the mail. Mine is 100% stock, but out of warranty at this point. I only tow with my truck, and am indifferent to going with bluetooth emissions. I don't think I'm immune to having problems, but if history is an indicator, trucks that routinely tow and not glorified daily drivers typically have far less issues. Honestly I was just gonna keep it stock until it gave me issues then dump the shit.

When I got the recall notice, my tinfoil hat went on and I was like "why the fuck do they want to flash it? It's running fine as is. But if this is going to extend the warranty for the emissions, then

I am assuming 10 years from initial sale means when it was sold new, so this is really only buying me a year or two max anyways. My truck has 45k on it now and there's no way I'm going to hit the 120k mileage limit.

 

[Takotruckin]

The recall is updated programming because the trucks emissions were too high in real world testing.

The extended warranty is because there is a high likelihood that after they install the updated programming there will be tighter tolerances to set codes. Components that were previously working but maybe starting to not work as well as they should may now be indicated as failing with the new updated software.

Also, my understanding of that letter is you will get 4 years or 48k miles of warranty after the recall since you won’t hit the max of 120k.

Second edit to add: I have heard that the trucks use WAY more DEF after the update. I haven’t heard exactly how much but multiple customers have told me it is significant.

 

[landscraper]

The recall is updated programming because the trucks emissions were too high in real world testing.

The extended warranty is because there is a high likelihood that after they install the updated programming there will be tighter tolerances to set codes. Components that were previously working but maybe starting to not work as well as they should may now be indicated as failing with the new updated software.

So if the software update causes the components to read in the failing range, will they then be covered by the extended warranty?

I've got a 2019 3500 and will probably be getting this letter soon. If it's not already in the stack of recall letters I've gotten.

 

[Tryloff]

In the big truck world, cummins has a campaign to give out free SCR filters due to the coatings washing off of them resulting in high nox. Your truck falls in that year range. I think the stock tune is not sensitive enough to catch that gradual increase, among other things. The retune will use a lot of def to offset the scr decay and will wear it out faster.

I doubt the cummins recall will count for dodge trucks. I don't know if the scr issue is affecting dodge trucks.

If it was my truck, I would ignore those until right before I permanently fixed the emmisions, if that time ever comes. Get it flashed to get off the list and document a properly functioning exhaust, then fix it all.

My duramax is in your same situation. It has had no emmisions issues and I have no plans to change that either.

 

[Curbkrawler]

I have a 2016 and just got this letter in the mail. Mine is 100% stock, but out of warranty at this point. I only tow with my truck, and am indifferent to going with bluetooth emissions. I don't think I'm immune to having problems, but if history is an indicator, trucks that routinely tow and not glorified daily drivers typically have far less issues. Honestly I was just gonna keep it stock until it gave me issues then dump the shit.

When I got the recall notice, my tinfoil hat went on and I was like "why the fuck do they want to flash it? It's running fine as is. But if this is going to extend the warranty for the emissions, then

I am assuming 10 years from initial sale means when it was sold new, so this is really only buying me a year or two max anyways. My truck has 45k on it now and there's no way I'm going to hit the 120k mileage limit.

I got the exact same thing in the mail the other day. Went straight to the trash. I keep saying i need to delete mine, but have dragged my feet on it. 51k miles of mostly towing.

 

[JD Mark]

I've been getting those notices for my '14, which had parts fall off a long time ago.

First thing was a postcard that I could note that it was already done, or wasn't needed or something. I sent it in but then got a letter.

It's also been to the dealer since and they mentioned it and then asked if it was deleted.

Hoping I can talk the service manager (who I've known for 30 years and recommended deleting all my Cummins) into fudging it on my '23. There's no way I want anything like this getting done to that truck.

 

[Norm]

I got one also, but my emissions system fell off in a tragic accident. Fugg those 125 miles until I won’t run because shit is frozen up messages.

 

[Otto M@n]

I got the exact same thing in the mail the other day. Went straight to the trash. I keep saying i need to delete mine, but have dragged my feet on it. 51k miles of mostly towing.

I'm really indifferent to the whole emissions thing. If they had a system that didn't choke the trucks power and benefitted the environment, I'm all for it. I don't mind the cost of DEF at all. I mean, new trucks are $80,000. If you're averaging ~500MPG for DEF use, over 100,000 miles driven, that's 200 gallons of DEF needed. Supertech is what, $10 for 2.5 gallons? So that's (80) 2.5 gal containers I'm buying over the course of 100,000 miles. $800 in DEF to drive 100k miles. Sure, $800 is a lot of money. But factoring in the cost of what it takes to drive that truck 100,000 miles (truck payment, insurance, diesel, fuel filters, maintence, etc), the cost of that DEF in relation to the rest of the running cost of it is really insignificant.

But if the shit is going to cost me 5 grand to replace the bullshit when/if it fails, you can fuck right off and I'll bluetooth emissions it.

It also will cost, what, $2500-$3k to fully delete the truck? EGR delete, new exhaust, etc. From a sheer cost perspective, it's cheaper to keep the emissions bullshit (assuming it doesn't shit the bed, obviously).

 

[pcorssmit]

I got the same letter for my '15 2500. 4 years of new warranty would be nice, but I had the same concerns. One of the previous recalls years ago had something to do with the exhaust and aftertreatment, I think they replaced the cat? I seem to recall using much less DEF after that recall was performed.

 

[ToughBowtieTruck]

45k in 6 years?

Perfect candidate for emission problems.

Is a gas engine so horrible for you to warrant putting up with these concerns?

 

[Wades_76_cj7]

my DEF cat shit the bed on mine at 78,500 miles and they replaced it under Federal Emissions Warranty. No idea how much it would have cost if out of pocket. RockAuto has the converter listed for $800 IIRC at the time. plus would need it flashed I am sure.

I got one of those recall notices for my 2015 a few months ago and I just tossed it. I am not having shit done to it unless it absolutely needs it. Mine has 136k on it now so no warranty anyway.

 

[ApeEater]

Having owned a "fixed" Volkswagen diesel, I'd avoid it. Their "fix" caused all kinds of issues in the emissions equipment. It was in the shop more than it was on the road.

 

[1981K20]

Insane. I'll keep my 01 6 speed 24 valve, these new trucks seem like a pain in the ass

 

[JD Mark]

I got one also, but my emissions system fell off in a tragic accident. Fugg those 125 miles until I won’t run because shit is frozen up messages.

I was on my way to Fargo to pick up a tractor, trying to beat the incoming blizzard. In my '14, I don't recall how many miles but it wasn't much, under 50k. Left GR at 4 AM with a second driver so we could drive straight there and back.

An hour in and I get the "Service DEF System" warning. OK, fine I will do that when I get back. Flashed again. Stopped near Benton Haarlem and Googled it...200 miles until limp mode. SOB, guess we're turning around.

Get it to the dealer...stupid DEF injector was 30% plugged. Some shit for brains worthless, dickless bureaucrat created this stupid rule that if it isn't working at 100% it sends it into limp mode. Asshole should be tarred, feathered and hung by whatever small testicles he might have. They got it in and fixed that day. Second driver couldn't go that night, so I drove straight through, picked up the tractor in the blizzard-by that time it was from St Paul, Minniesoda to Fargo-drove straight home.

So shortly after that, parts fell off. I can put 200 miles on in a weekend during snow season just plowing and checking accounts. I couldn't afford to have my truck go down because the DEF injector was only partially plugged.

Bunch of fucking bullshit.

 

[Otto M@n]

45k in 6 years?

Perfect candidate for emission problems.

Is a gas engine so horrible for you to warrant putting up with these concerns?

Explain how emission parts go bad from the truck being parked in the garage.

 

[Otto M@n]

Insane. I'll keep my 01 6 speed 24 valve, these new trucks seem like a pain in the ass

My old truck was a literal pain in the ass. Keep your 01

 

[Kyle]

I think it’s a back door way to curb deletes since some states, dealers can’t sell used cars with open recalls.

 

[JD Mark]

Forgot to add...the emissions warranty is bullshit as well.

I have a '16 5500 from Kannada. Had a bunch of emissions problems with it but it wasn't covered because it was sold in Kannada. I argued with them and got nowhere.

Asked why it wasn't covered even though every single part was the same as on sold in Murca.

But Kannada

Assholes...a bunch of parts fell off that one as well.

 

[1981K20]

My old truck was a literal pain in the ass. Keep your 01

Every truck is different I guess. I have a low mile one and one with 477735 miles on it. Took the high mile one on a tour of the PNW and right up to Alaska through BC last year and zero issues, averaged 13.04mpg pulling a small 5th wheel. Neither have been lemons, neither have required major repair and they serve me well. I just prefer the lack of emissions crap.

Nothing against new it's just preference, good luck with the recalls and shit

 

[Vinman]

If the truck runs good no way in hell would I let them touch it.

 

[Otto M@n]

Every truck is different I guess. I have a low mile one and one with 477735 miles on it. Took the high mile one on a tour of the PNW and right up to Alaska through BC last year and zero issues, averaged 13.04mpg pulling a small 5th wheel. Neither have been lemons, neither have required major repair and they serve me well. I just prefer the lack of emissions crap.

Nothing against new it's just preference, good luck with the recalls and shit

I hated the 48RE in my old truck. 4 speed simply isn't enough. Could have dumped a lot of $ into it, and at the end of the day it would still be a 4 speed with 4.10's that was fucking screaming just to do 70. A newer truck that's deleted isn't anymore problematic than 3rd gens.

 

[1981K20]

I hated the 48RE in my old truck. 4 speed simply isn't enough. Could have dumped a lot of $ into it, and at the end of the day it would still be a 4 speed with 4.10's that was fucking screaming just to do 70. A newer truck that's deleted isn't anymore problematic than 3rd gens.

Yep, agree. Had a 98 with the 48RE. Complete dog of a transmission. Vowed to never own another so I acquired a couple NV5600 trucks and it's night and day difference

 

[toyotajeep]

I asked my buddy if you were going to have a keeper truck, more of a towing truck that you kept around for awhile and he said basically right around 2000 era Dodge or Ford 7.3. He was not a fan of any of the newer trucks in terms of reliability and complexity.

He works on diesels daily and was pretty convincing.

 

[welndmn]

in California if you ignore your emissions recalls they withhold your registration.

 

[JD Mark]

I asked my buddy if you were going to have a keeper truck, more of a towing truck that you kept around for awhile and he said basically right around 2000 era Dodge or Ford 7.3. He was not a fan of any of the newer trucks in terms of reliability and complexity.

He works on diesels daily and was pretty convincing.

Meh...I was headed home from the People's Republik of Kalifornia on I70 just about to Eisenhower tunnel, towing my 28' fifth wheel, running about 75.

Some asshole in a Lesbaru decided to change lanes without checking his mirrors while doing about 60. Just about locked all 8 tires up. He moved back after hearing my horn/finally seeing me. I had dropped down to 50-55 MPH. Hit the go pedal and accelerated the rest of the way up the mountain.

That will never happen in a 5.9 or 7.3, unless you do a shit ton of work to them. Even my 5.9 that I had built up quite a bit still didn't have the top end my 6.7s do. It would move a mountain of snow at an idle and had pretty good mid range, but the 6.7 has it all the way around. Stock or deleted.

I've also owned several 7.3s and they were good engines, but had a lot of minor issues as well, especially if you live in the rust belt. Especially the bodies and oil coolers.

I'd like to build a 5.9 again...mine burnt up just outside of Vegas, but just for fun. I love my '14 and '23 with the 6.7s.

 

[JD Mark]

in California if you ignore your emissions recalls they withhold your registration.

Sorry to hear that komrade.

 

[Curbkrawler]

I'm really indifferent to the whole emissions thing. If they had a system that didn't choke the trucks power and benefitted the environment, I'm all for it. I don't mind the cost of DEF at all. I mean, new trucks are $80,000. If you're averaging ~500MPG for DEF use, over 100,000 miles driven, that's 200 gallons of DEF needed. Supertech is what, $10 for 2.5 gallons? So that's (80) 2.5 gal containers I'm buying over the course of 100,000 miles. $800 in DEF to drive 100k miles. Sure, $800 is a lot of money. But factoring in the cost of what it takes to drive that truck 100,000 miles (truck payment, insurance, diesel, fuel filters, maintence, etc), the cost of that DEF in relation to the rest of the running cost of it is really insignificant.

But if the shit is going to cost me 5 grand to replace the bullshit when/if it fails, you can fuck right off and I'll bluetooth emissions it.

It also will cost, what, $2500-$3k to fully delete the truck? EGR delete, new exhaust, etc. From a sheer cost perspective, it's cheaper to keep the emissions bullshit (assuming it doesn't shit the bed, obviously).

Agree wholeheartedly with all points. I put DEF in mine annually just about. Usually use 1-1.5 tanks towing cross country to CO. Fill it up when I get home and i'm good for the next 6-12 months. The cost to delete has pretty much been my hold up. Keep saying I will wait till something shits the bed before I spend the coin to do it. Plus the noise. I wish someone made a "stock" sounding exhaust system rather than the brodozer ones. I'm past the age of wanting to hear a loud exhaust on a 3k mile trip (Owned a straight pipe cummings brah truck for 10 years)... Give me my nut cooling seats and Alpine stereo.

How often has/does your truck ever go into regen? For the first time since new, the other week mine went into regen while towing my 24' enclosed trailer. After a couple minutes it said it was complete and no problems, but I have just never seen it do that in 50k miles... Just curious?

 

[Otto M@n]

Agree wholeheartedly with all points. I put DEF in mine annually just about. Usually use 1-1.5 tanks towing cross country to CO. Fill it up when I get home and i'm good for the next 6-12 months. The cost to delete has pretty much been my hold up. Keep saying I will wait till something shits the bed before I spend the coin to do it. Plus the noise. I wish someone made a "stock" sounding exhaust system rather than the brodozer ones. I'm past the age of wanting to hear a loud exhaust on a 3k mile trip (Owned a straight pipe cummings brah truck for 10 years)... Give me my nut cooling seats and Alpine stereo.

How often has/does your truck ever go into regen? For the first time since new, the other week mine went into regen while towing my 24' enclosed trailer. After a couple minutes it said it was complete and no problems, but I have just never seen it do that in 50k miles... Just curious?

Those two bolded lines are me 100%. You know one of the things I love the most about my 2016 over my 04? Doing 90 in it and it's quieter than my 04 was going 65. Amazing. I can listen to the radio at a reasonable level. I can hold a conversation with the passenger. The fact there's no "OEM-replicate" exhaust kit for bluetooth emission kits after all these years is very surprising. People still have to piece exhausts together to get it almost as quiet as OEM. No. I want it OEM quiet.

And yes, my swamp ass is real. The seats are amazing. Mathematically, it makes zero sense to delete. Even if you'd get 2MPG better than stock, it'd take you...what, 120,000 miles just to break even? I just want reliability and quietness, if I can get that with an emissions equipped truck, cool. If not, get fucked, it's getting deleted.

Ram's don't tell you when they're going into regen. Not sure when mine does to be honest. Only heard it go through it once when I idled for a long time once (A/C running for the dog). The high idle went on and you could tell it was in regen. Otherwise, it's transparent to me.

 

[Curbkrawler]

Those two bolded lines are me 100%. You know one of the things I love the most about my 2016 over my 04? Doing 90 in it and it's quieter than my 04 was going 65. Amazing. I can listen to the radio at a reasonable level. I can hold a conversation with the passenger. The fact there's no "OEM-replicate" exhaust kit for bluetooth emission kits after all these years is very surprising. People still have to piece exhausts together to get it almost as quiet as OEM. No. I want it OEM quiet.

And yes, my swamp ass is real. The seats are amazing. Mathematically, it makes zero sense to delete. Even if you'd get 2MPG better than stock, it'd take you...what, 120,000 miles just to break even? I just want reliability and quietness, if I can get that with an emissions equipped truck, cool. If not, get fucked, it's getting deleted.

Ram's don't tell you when they're going into regen. Not sure when mine does to be honest. Only heard it go through it once when I idled for a long time once (A/C running for the dog). The high idle went on and you could tell it was in regen. Otherwise, it's transparent to me.

My 16 did. Came up on the little LCD screen stating it was in regen and what percentage the DPF was blocked. After a few miles of driving (and the % going down) it said complete and the dash went back to the normal speedo. Had never seen it do that before.

 

[Curbkrawler]

Actually just googlefu'd it. Says under passive conditions it burns out on its own. Under active, the ECM dumps fuel to burn it out. I just had never seen it do it under "active" conditions before.